panam330
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DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Sun May 30, 2004 4:55 am

I believe that this has been discussed before, but I did a search on it and couldn't come up with even a hint of this topic. It sparked my interest when I learned about an hour ago that DL has a non-stop flight from Atlanta to Barcelona.

So, this begs the question, what are all of the routes that DL flies from ATL, and from JFK? Also, if you could add in what aircraft type they are operated with, and their daily frequency, that'd be quite nice  Big grin.

Thanks to all that reply  Smile!
 
gigneil
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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Sun May 30, 2004 5:01 am

Its a long list...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Sun May 30, 2004 5:03 am

Yep, it's a long list alright. I 'm not certain about all, but you can add Dublin, Shannon, Amsterdam, London Gatwick, Frankfurt, Paris, Barcelona, Zurich, and I would imagine many, many others. Sorry I cant give you a more complete answer, but these are the ones I know of.
 
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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Sun May 30, 2004 5:17 am

From memory they fly to SVO, VCE, BRU, CDG, ATH, IST, Milan, Dusseldorf.... a bunch more places, but I can't recall.

Try: http://www.delta.com/travel/plan/destination_maps/index.jsp

[Edited 2004-05-29 22:19:04]
 
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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Sun May 30, 2004 5:24 am

For what concerning Italy I can tell you that DL fly to Milan Malpensa and Rome Fiumicino from Atlanta and to Venice from JFK. I think there could be some other flights to Rome and Milan, but not from ATL or JFK.

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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Sun May 30, 2004 5:29 am

Atlanta:
AMS 1x daily (763)
BCN 1x daily (763)
BRU 1x daily (763)
CDG 2x daily (777, 763)
DUB 3x weekly (Mon, Thu, Sat) (777) - continues to SNN
FCO 1x daily (763)
AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA 2x daily (777, 763)
LGW 3x daily (777, 763, 763)
MAD 1x daily (763)
MAN 1x daily (763)
MUC 2x daily (763, 763)
MXP 1x daily (763)
SNN 4x weekly (Tue, Wed, Fri, Sun) (777) - continues to DUB
STR 1x daily (763)
ZRH 1x daily (763)

Cincinnati:
AMS 1x daily (763)
CDG 1x daily (763)
FCO 1x daily (763)
AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA 1x daily (763)
LGW 1x daily (763)

New York:
AMS 1x daily (763)
ATH 1x daily (763)
BCN 1x daily (763)
BRU 1x daily (763)
CDG 2x daily (763, 763)
FCO 1x daily (763)
AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA 1x daily (763)
IST 1x daily (763)
MAD 1x daily (763)
MXP 1x daily (763)
NCE 1x daily (763)
SVO 1x daily (763)
VCE 1x daily (763)
 
panam330
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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Sun May 30, 2004 5:33 am

Thanks everyone, especiialy N670UW, for that extensive list! I didn't realise that DL served that many destinations across the pond. Puts their Pacific service to shame  Big grin!

A side note, doesn't one of the CDG flights continue to Bombay, India? Is it daily?


Thanks again  Smile!
 
N670UW
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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Sun May 30, 2004 5:35 am

A side note, doesn't one of the CDG flights continue to Bombay, India? Is it daily?

Yes, DL118 (JFK-CDG, 763) continues to BOM. The flight is daily.



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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Sun May 30, 2004 5:38 am

I think at one point the JFK-BOM run was done through AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA.
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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Sun May 30, 2004 5:47 am

The BOM flight used to connect through AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA, a distant reminder of DL's takeover of Pan Am's European routes and the AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA hub.
 
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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Sun May 30, 2004 5:49 am

ATL-MXP and CVG-CDG will also go B777 this summer.

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N670UW
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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Sun May 30, 2004 5:52 am

Also, it appears ATL-LGW will go to 4 daily 763's this summer.




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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Sun May 30, 2004 6:27 am

Since the dropping of BA's LGW-JFK route, wouldn't DL do well in starting a daily service between these cities? I know MAN used to be served from JFK. Also a couple of years back there was a flight to LGW (daily) from Los Angeles and Boston. What happened to that?

It's a shame that the B767 is used on almost all the transatlantic routes now, i liked the days where the MD-11's and the L1011's would be operating them, a few years back. Things have certainly changed.

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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Sun May 30, 2004 12:03 pm

Thanks N670UW,that was great!And time-consuming. That's right,as of June 1st,there will be 4 daily ATL-LGW flights,all 763's.There must be a huge demand for seats to London in the summer to support that many LGW flights, 28X weekly;they did the same thing last summer I recall. I've always been curious to know what the loads are like on the JFK-Istanbul flights,anybody have a rough idea? Thanks,Tim
 
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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Sun May 30, 2004 12:10 pm

That list seems to be missing a 777.

There should be 5 transatlantic 777s, and the 3 that are NRT bound.

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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Sun May 30, 2004 12:45 pm

Neal-

The sole LGW 777 flight goes to a 763, and CVG-CDG and ATL-MXP go to 777s, therefore all 8 of Delta's 777s are accounted for. That sucks- they need at least 20  Big grin. Damn pilot contracts!
 
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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Sun May 30, 2004 1:13 pm

Why doesn't DL operate any 764s on transatlantic routes?
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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Sun May 30, 2004 1:16 pm

Isn't Delta operating two daily flights to Athens (from JFK) for the Summer Olympics?

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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Sun May 30, 2004 7:08 pm

Upcoming changes:
From June 1:
ATL-LGW: 4x daily 767-300ER (currently 1 772; 2 763ER)
ATL-MXP: 1 daily 772 (currently 1 763ER)
JFK-ATH: 10X weekly (3 additional flights a week 763ER) - however, this comes at the expense of JFK-CDG (goes from 2x daily to 11x weekly - loss of 3 weekly flights to JFK-ATH)
CVG-CDG: switch to 772 from 763ER

From Aug 1:
ATL-MXP: reverts back to 763ER
ATL-CDG: goes from 1 772 / 1 763ER a day to double 772 daily
 
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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Mon May 31, 2004 12:44 am

The 764's are used on high traffic domestic routes, they replaced the larger L-1011's.

The 777's are also used on the Pacific routes.

Delta only had 15 MD's at one time, and they only flew those to LGW and CDG, as capacity demanded. They practically started the ETOPs deal so they could use 767's transatlantic.

My neighbor asked what ETOPS meant an my other neighbor, tech-ops guy who runs simulators for DL said Engines Turn Or Passengers swim!  Laugh out loud
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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Mon May 31, 2004 3:09 am

Any idea if/when DL might/plans to reinstate its JFK-TLV service?

They were flying their own metal on the route back about 10 years ago. It then reappeared briefly pre-9/11, only to be replaced with a code-share w/LY.

This has been discussed elsewhere plenty, but. . . considering that the loads on NYC-TLV are incredible (LY and CO are almost always loaded on their combined 8-10 flights each day), that this summer there will be something like a combined 18 flights a day (with Israir starting June 21) . . .

Why the heck wouldn't DL get in on this?
 
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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Mon May 31, 2004 3:17 am

(with Israir starting June 21) . . .

What kind of plane is Israir using to JFK?

Why the heck wouldn't DL get in on this?

I've wondered for a while........Especially since TW left the route. Perhaps it will reappear soon.
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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Mon May 31, 2004 3:37 am

Israir wet-leased a 763.

There is a thread somwhere on anet about it.
 
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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Mon May 31, 2004 5:34 am

Well, is that still anything else about transatlantic flight to Europe? Maybe if they need to get more passengers are flying into LGW and remember with those days from 2 years ago of BOS-LGW is discontinue on June 1, 2002. Because this is very poorly with the load factors on their way to LGW.
 
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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Mon May 31, 2004 5:49 am

I would like to see the JFK-TLV reinstated as well. However, I am more concerned that in the near term Delta should have added ATL-ATH for the olympics, as Delta has been the offical US airline for the Olympics and would probably want to keep the legacy going. Any reason why they did not add ATL-ATH?
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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Mon May 31, 2004 7:15 am

New York:
AMS 1x daily (763)
ATH 1x daily (763)
BCN 1x daily (763)
BRU 1x daily (763)
CDG 2x daily (763, 763)
FCO 1x daily (763)
AB) (AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA 1x daily (763)
IST 1x daily (763)
MAD 1x daily (763)
MXP 1x daily (763)
NCE 1x daily (763)
SVO 1x daily (763)
VCE 1x daily (763)
PRG 1x daily (310) using OK's hardware (don't know if that counts as well?)
 
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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Mon May 31, 2004 9:42 am

I believe DL is the largest trans-Atlantic carrier. I seem to remember their press releases bragging of their trans-atlantic routes.
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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Mon May 31, 2004 10:22 am

Isn't not come back with JFK-TLV in near of the future. Maybe if DL want to make reinstated for after 9/11.
 
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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Mon May 31, 2004 1:25 pm

FanofTristars,

Yes, Delta is the largest Trans-Atlantic US carrier. They have been since their takeover of Pan Am's routes in 1991.

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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Mon May 31, 2004 1:50 pm

I think DL serves 31 or 32 euro cities....i remember about 10 years ago how much they bragged about it. Havent herd much about it lately. I had NO idea they still flew to Athens, or even to Bombay. Thats awsome.
 
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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Mon May 31, 2004 2:22 pm

I believe Delta is the only US Legacy carrier with no competition on their nonstop JFK routes to BCN,VCE,STR,SVO,IST and ATH.It really is quite a feat.The downside is the routes are flown almost all with 767's with a relatively low # of seats(210 or so) and not triple 7's,each with a 100 seat additional capacity.They need more than 8 777's. Thanks for the excellent listing,L410Turbolet. Cheers,Tim
 
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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Mon May 31, 2004 2:32 pm

Delta could have a huge international market in JFK 10x's bigger. Why not take it? We have the domestic connections and long standing in the area! And about the 777's, we should have 30 of them on firm order.. What is our company doing?
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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Mon May 31, 2004 2:42 pm

I believe Delta is the only US Legacy carrier with no competition on their nonstop JFK routes to BCN,VCE,STR,SVO,IST and ATH

STR is served from ATL, not JFK.

The downside is the routes are flown almost all with 767's with a relatively low # of seats(210 or so) and not triple 7's,each with a 100 seat additional capacity.They need more than 8 777's.

Why is a plane that operates profitably a downside? Many of those routes don't need the extra capacity/cargo capability of the 777, so the 767 is perfect. CO even operates many 757s on thin TransAtlantic routes.

And about the 777's, we should have 30 of them on firm order..

Ummm, I think your company has more serious problems to worry about. Just because you like an aircraft doesn't mean your company can use 30 of them. If your company had 30 of them, you might just be losing more money. Different aircraft are suited to different routes. The 767 is perfect for most Trans Atlantic flights......And I'm sure it's better to have a smaller plane on a route than having to worry about filling the extra 100 seats yearround.
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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Mon May 31, 2004 2:58 pm

I understand that. It's just a dream
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RE: DL's Trans-Atlantic Routes From ATL And JFK?

Mon May 31, 2004 9:08 pm

"I believe Delta is the only US Legacy carrier with no competition on their nonstop JFK routes to BCN,VCE,STR,SVO,IST and ATH"

Also add JFK-NCE. They are the only carrier (non-US or US) on nonstops between the U.S. and NCE, BCN, VCE, STR. They are the only US carrier with nonstops between the U.S. and SVO, IST and ATH (SU, TK, and OA respectively have nonstops to those destinations as well)

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