ScottishLaddie
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What Do All The Different Cabin Class Letters Mean

Sun May 30, 2004 6:42 am

For example,

Cabin class: J4 D3 Z2 Y9 H9 K9 N9 B9 V0 U0 Q0 I0 S0 W0 T0 X0 L0

What do all the different cabin class letters mean? And the numbers, are they simply the seats remaining on the flight?
I would be grateful if someone who knows could tell me.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Also, I don't know how much this matters but the letters and classes in the example above are from CO.


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RE: What Do All The Different Cabin Class Letters Mean

Sun May 30, 2004 8:30 am

The different letters are fare classes - and determines how much you will pay for your flight. In your example, J, D and likely Z are seats in the business class cabin....J is the usual designator for full fare business, D is discounted business, Z is another variation. The other letters are all economy class fares, Y is full fare economy and likely H being the highest discounted economy or excursion fare and so on. Q at one time was the lowest economy fare rate, but that has changed. Lots of airlines are also, at the moment, revising their fare letter designations....I suspect that this is a CO flight and they have changed many of the codes in recent months with lots of new letters introduced and others will eventually be dropped (ie, what was Q class is now the X class, V became U, etc, etc - what a mess.) The numbers next to each letter represent the number of seats that can be still be sold in each fare class, in this flight, the cheapo tickets are gone......when the number 9 is used, it means that 9 OR MORE seats are still available, ie, there are more than 9 seats in economy available on this flight.

There are additional letters that you do not see, for example on CO you can upgrade your H class ticket on overseas flights to Business First for 40,000 miles, and then you will be ticketed in R class.

The basic letters are P or F for First Class, C or J for Business Class, and Y for Economy class......the rest is fare stuff that can be specific to an airline.

Hope I helped.
 
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RE: What Do All The Different Cabin Class Letters Mean

Sun May 30, 2004 8:34 am

Dutchjet, Wow, you know your info  Wow!
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RE: What Do All The Different Cabin Class Letters Mean

Sun May 30, 2004 8:41 am

Excellent! Respect! Big grin So judging by that how full would you say that example of a flight is? 75%?
 
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RE: What Do All The Different Cabin Class Letters Mean

Sun May 30, 2004 8:49 am

Really no way of knowing exactly how many seats are sold on the flight, the airlines yeild management add and take away seats from various fare classes up until the day of departure, so who knows.....if this flight is operating over the summer months, cheap seats can be hard to find on CO - on certain routes this summer, U=V class is not even being offered and Q=X and I classes are very, very hard to find, all as part of the effort to increase yeilds and revenues.

That being said, with no cheap seats open, and if the flight is departing within a couple of weeks time, its a safe bet that the loads are pretty good. Do note that the BF cabin has only 4 seats left (D and Z are subcategories of J)....I think this is the EDI-EWR flight (I have read your posts before, ScottishLaddie) so 12 out of the 16 BF seats on the 752 are sold, pretty good for this new route.
 
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RE: What Do All The Different Cabin Class Letters Mean

Sun May 30, 2004 8:56 am

my deepest respect dutchjet!

really looking forward to seeing co here in edi!!!!
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RE: What Do All The Different Cabin Class Letters Mean

Sun May 30, 2004 8:58 am

If I remember rightly, that was EDI-EWR in July sometime.
Also, I may not be an expert, but this flight looks virtually full to me.  Big grin

July 14

Cabin class: J0 C0 D0 W0 Z2 S0 Y0 M0 H0 Q0 B0 K0 L0 V0 T0 N0 X0 G0 E0

This particular flight is the Transaero DME-EDI service on the 14th of July. Not bad  Smile


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RE: What Do All The Different Cabin Class Letters Mean

Sun May 30, 2004 9:16 am

They are also different for different airlines as well. And not all codes on display are sellable for that one country either.

First class on some other airlines are usually represented by
A and F

Some other business class codes seen are C and I

Some other economy codes can be are N as well.

In the case for a Qantas domestic flight the codes are as follows and their meanings.

J - full published fae level Business Class
D - International flight connections for Domestic business class
Y - Full Economy Class.
U- Class not shown on availability screen but denotes upgrade from Economy to Business.
H, B, - Fully Flexible and full refundable levels of fare economy class
K - Fully Flexible but non refundable economy fare
M,L,V - Flexi fare saver type fares, flexible but at an extra fee
S and Q - wholesale holiday fares, must be booked with acomodation
E - Industry classed fare
Q - special unique fare for specials eg around Xmas etc esp on QF Link services.
O, N - cheapest class of economy fare - similar restrictions to M,L,V

Of course if the flight as international some classes do have different meanings.

So judging by that how full would you say that example of a flight is? 75%
Having said that only the airlines can really judge that, as seeing a H9 can really mean 9 'H' class seats on 42 or 57 of them. Generally though when you do start seeing quote a few "c" next to the class it mean that waitlists are closed for that booking class, or when there are a lot of "0" next to the booking class the flight are quite full indeed.

However inm terms of an international flight it is not uncommon for airline about a couple of months out to see about 120% of their seats, As in due course it goes down to the 100% booked or there abouts. Airlines have a complicated yield management program to work on such levels. It is only on the day when they are overfull that "bumping" can occur.


 
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RE: What Do All The Different Cabin Class Letters Mean

Sun May 30, 2004 10:03 am

The various classes of service discussed above can, at times, come into play after someone has purchased a non-refundable ticket. Most airlines will allow someone who is holding a non-refundable ticket to make a change to their return flight for a penalty--with most major carriers, the fee to change their return flight is $100. However....to change your return flight and only pay the $100 change fee, the new flight must have a seat available in the same class of service as the original ticket. For example, you have a non-refundable ticket...DTW-SEA-DTW...and both flights are ticketed in "K" class on Northwest. You want to make a return flight change...your new flight must have a "K" class seat available, or you will pay the $100 fee PLUS an airfare increase. If you cannot find a "K" class seat on a nonstop return flight, you can try to find a connection....in that case, all new flights involved must have a "K" class seat available. Changing a non refundable ticket can get very expensive during peak travel times when no discounted classes of service are available.

Continental Airlines (along with American and United) offer "net" fares from various locations in the United States to destinations in Mexico, Central America and South America. I sell quite a few of these tickets.....in some cases, you must have a "Q" class seat available to sell these low fares...other times you must have a "S" class seat, and in still others, a "V" seat must be available. Net fares are quite a bit cheaper than regular published fares. Travel agents love to sell them....why?...we can mark them up and make a nice profit from them...while still offering the customer a fare less than a published fare. Many times however, the class of service needed is not available.
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RE: What Do All The Different Cabin Class Letters Mean

Sun May 30, 2004 3:21 pm

Also note that U, Z and I think X class are Non-Rev Frequent Flyer tickets (Oneworld Carriers)

Different airlines have different coding system. eg, CX uses I as well for discount business class (it ranks below D)

Normally if Y, J and F = 0, it will mean that the flight is pretty full.
They usually release seats in pairs of 9 therefore on the system it will have a number from 0-9.
 
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RE: What Do All The Different Cabin Class Letters

Sun May 30, 2004 4:21 pm

On BA:

First:
F: Full fare First Class
A: Discounted First Class
Z: Redemption First Class

Club:
J: Full Fare Club World
C/D: Discounted Club World
I: Deeply Discounted Club World
U: Redemption Club World

World Traveller Plus:
W: Full Fare World Traveller Plus
T: Discounted World Traveller Plus
P: Redemption World Traveller Plus

World Traveller:
Y: Full Fare World Traveller
H/B: Slightly Discounted World Traveller
G: Groups
K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R (former Full Fare Concorde), S, V: Discounted/Deeply Discounted World Traveller
X: Redemption World Traveller

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RE: What Do All The Different Cabin Class Letters Mean

Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:02 am

JA DA YR MR KR

Just another question concerning booking classes:

I know that "A" stands for available, but what is the "R" standing for ? I also often read "L", I guess this means "low" - and "C" ? Maybe "closed" ?

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RE: What Do All The Different Cabin Class Letters Mean

Fri Jun 04, 2004 9:30 am

"I know that "A" stands for available, but what is the "R" standing for ? I also often read "L", I guess this means "low" - and "C" ? Maybe "closed" ?"

"A" usually designates a First Class upgrade (and does not stand for "available")

"R" usually designates a Business Class upgrade (not "closed")

"C" also designates Business Class (not "closed")

"L" is a Coach fare (not "low")
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RE: What Do All The Different Cabin Class Letters Mean

Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:23 pm

I guess you talk of the first letter = booking class. But I meant the second one (like JA - does this stand for "J available", or is "A" standing for first class upgrade like KKMolokai wrote ?)
 
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RE: What Do All The Different Cabin Class Letters Mean

Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:49 pm

Shilla: R is for "Request", when booking has been made, it appears as L (for waiting list). These A and R in availibility is output from special airlines when they don't share or don't have a link to another reservation system.

And KK, the "L" doesn't automatically mean "Coach", each airline has it's own booking classes - just letters, no special meaning. Maybe different to the F for First.
 
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RE: What Do All The Different Cabin Class Letters Mean

Fri Jun 04, 2004 6:57 pm

R class also exists. For Example Eva Air uses R class for their Evergreen Deluxe class.

Also Concorde used R class as supersonic Class.


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RE: What Do All The Different Cabin Class Letters Mean

Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:10 pm

Re: know that "A" stands for available, but what is the "R" standing for ? I also often read "L", I guess this means "low" - and "C" ? Maybe "closed" ?

Sometimes an airline (usually pretty low-tech ones) only provide a class status rather than a numeric status.

A = Available for Sale
R = Request Reservations (means may or may not be available)
L = No space available, Waitlist Open
C = No space availabe, Waitlist Closed.
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RE: What Do All The Different Cabin Class Letters Mean

Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:48 pm

Exactly what I wanted to know - thanks JGPH1A !
 
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RE: What Do All The Different Cabin Class Letters Mean

Fri Jun 04, 2004 11:48 pm

When my family flew on Delta last Christmas on Skymiles awards tickets, I remember having the designation "N," which I will guess stands for Nonrev.

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RE: What Do All The Different Cabin Class Letters Mean

Sat Jun 05, 2004 12:55 am

In the example ScottishLaddie gave, that flight was not just full, it was oversold. Most flights are allowed to be oversold to a certain amount depending on the aircraft type.
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RE: What Do All The Different Cabin Class Letters Mean

Sat Jun 05, 2004 12:21 pm

It is NOT oversold!
Cabin class: J4 D3 Z2 Y9 H9 K9 N9 B9 V0 U0 Q0 I0 S0 W0 T0 X0 L0

The are still 9 in Y (Mean prob >9 seats)

Also the J Class Cabin still OK.

Just because all the discount economy is 0 is does not mean it is full or oversold.
The good indicators are Y and J (if these are 0 then it is likely oversold)
 
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RE: What Do All The Different Cabin Class Letters Mean

Sat Jun 05, 2004 10:27 pm

I was talking about this example....

If I remember rightly, that was EDI-EWR in July sometime.
Also, I may not be an expert, but this flight looks virtually full to me.

July 14

Cabin class: J0 C0 D0 W0 Z2 S0 Y0 M0 H0 Q0 B0 K0 L0 V0 T0 N0 X0 G0 E0

This particular flight is the Transaero DME-EDI service on the 14th of July. Not bad

Sorry I should have mentioned which example.... But in the one above, the flight is oversold, at least in coach. Seems like there are two seats for sale left in the premium cabin. Some airlines dont't allow the premium cabin to be oversold.
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RE: What Do All The Different Cabin Class Letters Mean

Sat Jun 05, 2004 11:06 pm

Oversold!? The aircraft type is a 73G, unless they are planning on using a 767 on that particular day?
 
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RE: What Do All The Different Cabin Class Letters Mean

Sat Jun 05, 2004 11:14 pm


Cabin class: J0 C0 D0 W0 Z2 S0 Y0 M0 H0 Q0 B0 K0 L0 V0 T0 N0 X0 G0 E0

This looks like it is either overbook or certain cabin is Not offer (judging by the fact it is a 73G aircraft)

But when "0" starts to show your chance is low
 
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RE: What Do All The Different Cabin Class Letters Mean

Mon Jun 07, 2004 12:17 am

Oversold!? The aircraft type is a 73G, unless they are planning on using a 767 on that particular day?

Not everyone turns up for flights, so airlines commonly overbook to ensure they make as much money as possible.

The airlines will know exactly how many people normally dont turn up for a specific route, and overbook by the same amount. No point selling all 100 seats then turning folk away when you know 10 people will probably not turn up. Therefore the airlines sell 110 seats for the flight, and prey they guessed right and that only 100 people will turn up...
 
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RE: What Do All The Different Cabin Class Letters Mean

Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:07 am

And what if the people do turn up? Do they just turn them away, re-book them onto another flight?
 
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RE: What Do All The Different Cabin Class Letters Mean

Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:47 am

ScottishLaddie: ever seen "Airport"?. This used to happen almost every episode.

Once they know everyone is going to turn up, they start asking people in the queue if they would like to transfer to a later flight. They will give you compensation (££££) and offer a hotel if the flight is not until the next day. Hopefully enough people will volunteer, otherwise those at the back of the queue have no choice. They will be refused boarding, given the compensation and put on a later flight, whether they like it or not.

Alternatively passengers may be upgraded to first/business if seats are available in that class when economy is full...
 
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RE: What Do All The Different Cabin Class Letters Mean

Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:49 am

I see, thanks for clearing that up.

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