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Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Mon May 31, 2004 10:23 am

Dateline aired the story of United flight 232 that made a crash landing in Iowa in 1989.

I know I have seen the story before, but I am still in awe of what the flight crew did. Yes, 112 people lost their life, but 184 people lived because of the dedication and preserverence of the flight crew.

Those four people in the nose of that DC-10 that day will always be heroes to me.



 
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Mon May 31, 2004 10:25 am

I wish they went more into the after effects of the crash, interviews with the people who survived and the crew and how there lives have forever been changed.
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Mon May 31, 2004 10:26 am

I saw it...was a bit interesting but was perturbed that the names of the f/o and f/e were never mentioned...they deserve some credit as well...

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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Mon May 31, 2004 10:39 am

Thanks for the heads up, man. I'll be watching that in a little bit.


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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Mon May 31, 2004 10:41 am

I will try to watch with the tv tonight and thanks for the head ups.
 
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Mon May 31, 2004 10:50 am

Back in 1990, I briefly worked with a guy who was a cameraman around here in Omaha/Council Bluffs. As he tells the story, for some reason, he heard that the flight was in trouble. He threw a camera in the back of his truck and sped up I-29 to SUX (about 45 minutes if you are hauling ass) and got the footage of the flight "landing" from outside the fence. Not sure how true that is. *shrug*
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Mon May 31, 2004 10:59 am

Wasn't there posts here about the need for one of the children of one the pilots of that flight that needed a organ for transplant? I didn't see this program, but I believe there have been documentary programs (and even a TV movie?) of this crash. Perhaps a updated documentary should be made like the recent History Channel one on AA 191 crash.
 
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Mon May 31, 2004 11:05 am

Yes, ltbewr, and in fact, the "Friends for Laurie" drive is mentioned at the end of the show...

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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Mon May 31, 2004 12:43 pm

In response to the question how come the f/o and f/e are never mentioned,

The story of this flight has been done many many times on all different TV shows and I can never remember hearing either of their names mentioned ever. Maybe they don't care to relive it over and over again, maybe it's too much to deal with....who knows. But, you are right all of the flight crew deserve every ounce of credit.

It amazes me Al Haynes kept on flying after the crash and retired in 1991.
 
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Mon May 31, 2004 12:56 pm

NBC likes to play a segment about UA232 every once in a while. See, NBC is owned by GE and can be used as a propaganda tool. Every time I have seen one of these pieces, NBC conveniently mentions how "United's improper maintenance practices" caused the engine to shatter. UA will counter that GE made a defective engine and that all their maintenance procedures were proper, after all, the engine was in service for, what, 18 years before this massive failure? The difference is that UA does not own its own large media outlet to promote its claim...
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Mon May 31, 2004 12:56 pm

I was pretty impressed with the way it was presented. Yeah, it left out some technical to keep the average person interested and could have had a little more about the survivors.

One of the things I find most impressive is how Cpt Haynes left out the four in the cockpit when he was asked for the number of souls aboard. He said that it was the thing that disturbed him most after the crash.

I've had this crash pounded into my head for four years of college because it's probably the greatest single example of CRM you will ever find and I'm still not tired of hearing it.
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Mon May 31, 2004 1:07 pm

No one caught it? In the 'animation' they showed of #2 disintegrating...

Well, it showed the front of the #2 intake as coming apart, which of course is VERY inaccurate. Those here on the forum who know anything about the DC-10/MD-11 family is that the #2 engine is located at the BACK of the intake. This animation failed to show that. It was the shrapnel that instantly severed the three independent hydraulic lines, which ran up the back of the tail fin. In addtion, the shrapnel rendered the horizontal stabilizers virtually worthless.

I just about came unglued when they blamed United for not finding that crack, but then quickly realized that GE is the parent of NBC/MSNBC. To this day, United Airlines has never bought another engine from GE, and never will, all a result of that fateful day.

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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Mon May 31, 2004 1:11 pm

It was, for the most part, well put together. I, too, wish we could hear more from the rest of the crew, who weren't really mentioned in the program.


Other than that, I'm not surprised how they conveniently blamed United for the accident. Business is business, I suppose.


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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Mon May 31, 2004 1:11 pm

It amazes me Al Haynes kept on flying after the crash and retired in 1991.

Flew his last flight, a DC-10 of course, DEN-SEA. Lives here in the Seattle area now, not sure where...Tukwila maybe?

Yes...I've seen this special on Dateline NBC many times over the past few years. GE knows that UA is weak right now, and hoping that repeatedly showing that UA was at fault in this incident (they're not) will bring about more lawsuits against UA, finally destroying them, and portraying GE as the victor. Bastards. I hate the news media...
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Mon May 31, 2004 1:24 pm

Does anyone know when it will be on again? I missed it. Sad
 
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Mon May 31, 2004 1:28 pm

Iowaman...give it another month or two...they'll probably show it before the end of the summer, if not on the 15-year anniv. Either that, or wait until UAL reports some bad news, and the boys at GE will look to rub some more salt in their wounds...
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Mon May 31, 2004 1:29 pm

I saw cap't al haynes speak in mason city iowa last year. greatest speech ever!
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Mon May 31, 2004 1:30 pm

I watched it. That was sad. Those poor people.......  Crying

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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Mon May 31, 2004 1:38 pm

It was pretty good- only right before the good parts it was interupted with severe weather bulletins!!
 
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Mon May 31, 2004 1:45 pm

SouthwestMDW, yea same here! God those tornado warnings were pissing me off!

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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Mon May 31, 2004 2:00 pm

I saw cap't al haynes speak in mason city iowa last year. greatest speech ever!

That's my closest commercial airport! I wish I was there to see the speech!
 
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Mon May 31, 2004 2:59 pm

The point of telling this story isn't to blame UA, but the extra-ordinary human interest story that the aircraft, which was basically uncontrollable, was even able to attempt a landing and that so many survived a crash that really shouldn't be survivable. The story spent less than 5 minutes on the probable cause and summarized what the NTSB said was the probable cause. Plus they did say that the defect originated during the part's manufacturing.

Section 3.2 Probable Cause:

"The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the
probable cause of this accident was the inadequate consideration given to
human factors limitations in the inspection and quality control procedures
used by United Airlines' engine overhaul facility which resulted in the
failure to detect a fatigue crack originating from a previously undetected
metallurgical defect located in a critical area of the stage 1 fan disk that
was manufactured by General Electric Aircraft Engines."

http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/aar/AAR90-06.pdf

Also, UA has always used P&W engines when they are available. Only when they weren't an option did they use another engine and the DC-10-10/-30 only is available with GE's. Look at their aircraft and jet engine choices.
 
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Mon May 31, 2004 3:34 pm

Interesting. I didn't know the background between GE and UA on that subject. However, it brings up an interesting question.

I have a good friend who works for GE and they have a corporate volume agreement with United for business travel. She does a lot of travelling for GE and always flys UA. I also know UA employees get discounts on GE appliances directly from the corporation.

Does this strike anyone else as odd?

My apologies for sidetracking this thread...
 
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Mon May 31, 2004 3:48 pm

I wish they went more into the after effects of the crash...

I wanted to see how the aircraft broke up after it crashed to see what parts rested where. They didnt show that at all and I was disappointed.

I was amazed that Capt. Al continued to fly after this incident as well as the Flight Attendant, who retired in 1999. The point to the story was to show the heros of this flight, not to bash UA. You may disagree with me but c'mon...give Al and his crew some credit for trying to get this plane grounded as best the can...calmly and PROFESSIONALLY. He even cracked a joke or two during descent which made me think he knew what was going on and knew what to do with the help of the flight instructor on board.
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Mon May 31, 2004 4:04 pm

I did see this programme. I do not know who is to blame, whether it should be United or GE or a combination or whatever, but the important thing is that steps have been taken to ensure that an accident of this nature will never happen again.

In the meantime, flight 232 was a miracle and an act of true heroism on the part of the crew. May the 112 who did not make it rest in peace.
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Mon May 31, 2004 5:08 pm

It was a pretty good show, with some omissions. But, MSNBC has also been showing a similar report on it as part of their "Why Planes Crash" story and that one has a CGI rendering of the impact with the locations where the different parts landed. The seating chart showing where the majority of survivors were was eye opening as I thought a lot of the victims were in the vicinity of the wings, where the majority of the fire was. That is until I saw that chart. Makes me glad I tend to sit over the wing on most of my flights since it is one of the most structurally rugged parts of the aircraft.

I did find it odd that they were showing the crash now also, given that the 15th anniversary won't be until July and that this weekend is more the 25th anniversary of flight 191. Seems to me like they just put it on since they knew it would be a relatively slow news weekend with the Memorial Day holiday and all that.

As for the GE engine conspiracy theory, I do recall NBC mentioning that United did dispute the NTSB report and GE's finding, but GE never responded and the matter seems to have been quietly dropped. The point is though that there are new procedures for inspecting such faults and the DC-10 did get some of its hydraulic lines in the tail rerouted to prevent that exact same situation from happening again. They didn't pursue that any further in this report or try to tie it in with AA191 either (which I am glad of) as it was a story about human triumph more then pointing fingers.

Defects in parts will happen though and a few may remain undetectable until the become time bombs. Remember the Delta MD-90 that had its port engine explode, killing at least one when parts penetrated the cabin on an aborted take off roll? That was attributed to a tiny defect as well (about the size of a grain of sand) and it occurred as I recall after UA232 did.

As for Al Haynes, I am glad to see his daughter did recover after the Bone Marrow transplant as we hadn't heard that much word on it after the initial request for funds to help out.
 
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Mon May 31, 2004 9:12 pm

USAFHummer, I was thinking the same thing, they should have been at least been mentioned by name and a quick background. It was a great documentary for Dateline, they are not nearly as good as A&E or the other cable channels but that was done well. Capt Haynes is a true hero and a hell of a pilot. I hope to hear him speak one day.
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Tue Jun 01, 2004 12:18 am

Those guys in the cockpit of 232 that day are the epitome of who all airlines try to hire as pilots. Smart, innvative, savvy, and experienced. Incredible guys!
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Tue Jun 01, 2004 12:30 am

Those four people in the nose of that DC-10 that day will always be heroes to me.

Speaking of... there's a full-length feature movie on this event called "A Thousand Heroes", if anyone's interested in the Hollywood version.
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Tue Jun 01, 2004 12:43 am

I watched it last night. The animation looked very accurate.

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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Tue Jun 01, 2004 12:47 am

It was very well done! To this day, no one has been able to repeat the feat of Al Haynes and the rest of the UAL232 crew. Not even in the simulator.

 
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Tue Jun 01, 2004 1:13 am

Tony Lu:

I agree, the animation was very accurate, but not completely. If you take a look at what I wrote in reply #11, I point out a pretty big problem with it.

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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Tue Jun 01, 2004 2:57 am

Jerry Schemmel, one of the survivors of UA 232, recently spoke at my church. He does play-by-play for the Denver Nuggets radio broadcasts and therefore must fly all the time. He recently wrote a book, "Chosen to Live," which details his personal story of the events and the aftermath of the crash. You can find it on amazon.com if you're interested.

As for the cause of the crash, NBC constantly states that the cause of the crash was caused by an undetectable (at the time of manufacture) flaw in the metal used to build the engine, the fact that UA didn't catch the flaw as the engine aged, and a design flaw in the DC-10 that ran all the hydraulic lines close together.

As for the DL MD-80 accident a previous poster mentioned, that was DL 1288, with the accident occurring July 6, 1996 at PNS as it was just about to take off for ATL. The actual aircraft type was an MD-88 and the accident aircraft registry is N927DA, which killed two and seriously injured two others. The NTSB's investigation placed most of the blame on the maintenance techniques DL was using to check for metal fatigue in the engine that was manufactured by Pratt and Whitney. DL repaired the aircraft and returned it to service. Here are some samples of the accident aircraft from the database.

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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Tue Jun 01, 2004 3:58 am

As a flight attendant, I sometimes flew with Dennis Fitch on the 767 trans-con routes. I haven't seen him for several years now but he was a first officer on the 767. He would show us his very own personal photos of the crash taken with his camera. An absolute "jaw-dropper" than anybody walked out of that thing alive!!!
 
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Tue Jun 01, 2004 5:04 am

Pilots like Al Haynes prove that Pilots are NOT overpaid, as well as every crewmember of flights.

Pilots make it look easy...maybe they make it look easy because they are so good at it.

I know one thing...I want the best, well-paid, and well-trained people piloting my planes!!
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Tue Jun 01, 2004 5:12 am

This was a incredible and bad accident but thanks to the crew some made it out. I recall after the incident pilots in simulators tried doing the same approach just like on that fateful day. They were finally able to do after 17 times. God Job to the pilots and to those who did not make it out may they rest in peace.
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Tue Jun 01, 2004 11:14 am

NightFlier: IIRC, UA and crews at other airlines who flew the DC-10 were never able to get as close to the runway as Capt. Haynes and his crew. Several crash landed on a highway nearby, some not even that close.

Also, I read a UAL report in either 1989 or 1990 that if they could have held it for another 10 seconds, they would have landed and avoided the fiery roll. What finally caused it was a sudden surge in the #1 engine, forcing the left wing up and the right wingtip into the ground.

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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Tue Jun 01, 2004 12:07 pm

One of the good things was they had a DC-10 trainer on board who had 3000+ hours in the DC-10. He went forward and joined them and was instrumental in helping out. In the end, one guy was running the throttles which were almost all of the directional and attitudinal control. He ended up running them from the seat behind the pilots.

Because the 2 remaining engines were well below the center of gravity, however, they had significant problems with pitch up and down - rather like pushing a swing. Everything about it was counter intuitive.
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Tue Jun 01, 2004 12:18 pm

Interesting to note, several NASA engineers heard that the crew controlled the aircraft using the engines, and actually developed the Propulsion Control System, which allows for better control of the aircraft during the failure of control surfaces.

http://eudoxus.usc.edu/PCA/pca.html
 
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Tue Jun 01, 2004 12:29 pm

I missed the program, but it sounded interesting. In response to one of the first posts in this thread, I do think I remember seeing a video of the DC-10 landing from behind a fence. Could that be who you are talking about? As for the GE and UA situation, everything is propaganda in the media nowadays. Though, whatever the NTSB says, goes.

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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Tue Jun 01, 2004 3:18 pm

I'm curious why, in all of the previous posts, no mention was made or credit given to the professionalism of the ATC who talked Capt. Haynes down. I think his calm demeanor played a key role in the incident's outcome.
 
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:30 pm

Itsjustme,

Due respect, but the ATC didn't really do much. I agree he was great at what he did in this accident but the four men in that cockpit are the ones who deserve the credit.
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:10 pm

The piece on Dateline did interview the ATC controller. It did show he did a very professional job and stayed calm.

I do disagree with his comment that it was not a miracle biased on the fact that 112 people died. I do believe it was a miracle because 184 people lived.
 
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:54 pm

Ken4556,

You are right! I also was a little surprised when the ATC said he looked as his fellow ATCs and spoke of how they would not make it and die. I know the situation didn't look so good but with a veteran Captain and a training pilot at the controls I would have thought he would have more confidence about the situation. I mean Captain Haynes nearly brought that plane in. I was a little surprised at the ATC comments.
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:10 am



StevenUhl777

". . . What finally caused it was a sudden surge in the #1 engine, forcing the left wing up and the right wingtip into the ground . . ."

That isn't really what happened to be technical. If anyone recalls, the DC-10 was being controlled under pure engine power alone up until the point of impact. This was because when the No. 2 engine exploded in flight, the plane was in the middle of making a right-hand turn. All control surfaces became "frozen" in whatever position they were in. To counter the fugoidal movements and oscillations the DC-10 were making, Denny Fitch came up with the idea of using thrust from the remaining two engine to balance the plane out and keep some control. When the DC-10 was about a minute out of Sioux Gateway Airport, Capt. Al Haynes told Denny Fitch to "close the throttles". I believe the DC-10 was sinking at a rate of 1400fpm. Denny Fitch told Capt. Haynes that he could couldn't close the throttles because that was what was turning the plane. A second before impact the throttles were closed. This caused the plane to begin it's tendancy to want to turn right again. Because of this, the right wingtip struck the runway and pitched the plane nosedown and the rest is history.

As for what became of the plane . . .

The DC-10 slid down the runway with a trail of fire behind it. All of the landing gears were sheared off on impact as the plane slammed into the runway at 250mph. The plane eventually broke-up due to the extreme forces. The plane broke into five pieces:

The Cockpit. The flight deck was completely destroyed by impact forces
First Class. The First Class section completely disintegrated and I believe most if not all passengers sitting in first class died
Mid-Cabin/Midship Section. The entire midship section of the plane for aft-first class through to the trailing edge of the wings, broke apart from the rest of the plane. This is the huge section of the plane that is seen in videos of the crash that "cartwheeled". This section of the plane came to rest in a cornfield upside-down and backwards.
Aft-Economy Class. The Economy Class section of the DC-10 just behind the trailing edge of the flaps and before the last set of boarding doors, was completely demolished due to impact forces. This is the section in where most of the passengers in economy died.
Empennage. The entire tail section came to a rest on its side still on the runway, minus the No. 2 engine which broke free after the break-up. The elevators were severely damaged and the vertical fin was destroyed.

Another side note . . .

It amazes me how many passengers "technically" survived this crash. 111 people officially died in the "actual" crash. A furthur person died a few days later in the hospital due to internal injuries, bringing the total to 112. But, what most people don't know is that 214 of the 296 passengers actually survived the crash. Only about 82 died due to injuries. A furthur 30 passengers died during the post-crash due to smoke inhailation. Of those, roughly all had injuries considered to be very minor and/or non-life threatening.


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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:24 am

I saw the show on The History Channel last week on AA 191. In the program they say one of the contributing factors in the crash was that on the DC-10 the standard and backup hydraulic lines were so close together and got damaged by the engine falling off. But there was no recommendation to fix this (separate the backup lines) since they ruled the chances of this contributing to another crash were nearly zero.

Yet, didn't this also contribute to the United crash? If this incident had happened on, say, the L-1011 center engine would everything have still worked?
 
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Wed Jun 02, 2004 4:58 am

This article seems to be about as good as it gets.
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Wed Jun 02, 2004 6:59 am

UA will counter that GE made a defective engine and that all their maintenance procedures were proper, after all, the engine was in service for, what, 18 years before this massive failure? The difference is that UA does not own its own large media outlet to promote its claim...

Actually, both claims are correct. The engine had a defect that couldn't bee seen under normal inspection, but should have been caught at a D-check.

Yes...I've seen this special on Dateline NBC many times over the past few years. GE knows that UA is weak right now, and hoping that repeatedly showing that UA was at fault in this incident (they're not) will bring about more lawsuits against UA, finally destroying them, and portraying GE as the victor. Bastards. I hate the news media...

Somehow, I don't think GE got to be the sixth-largest corporation in the world (by sales) by being this vindictive and petty.

SouthwestMDW, yea same here! God those tornado warnings were pissing me off!

I'm sure the weather guys are sorry for trying to save your life...  Yeah sure

Remember the Delta MD-90 that had its port engine explode, killing at least one when parts penetrated the cabin on an aborted take off roll?

Was that the one that happened just a few months after ValueJet 592 and hardly got any media coverage at all?

They were finally able to do after 17 times. God Job to the pilots and to those who did not make it out may they rest in peace.

Actually, they didn't do it. They just got within the vicinity of the airport before crashing. No one has ever done it since, in a simulator or real-life (of course, there hasn't been a real-life incident).

In the end, one guy was running the throttles which were almost all of the directional and attitudinal control. He ended up running them from the seat behind the pilots.

I recall reading that the hydraulic lines bled-out, and that there was not fluid left in the system to operate the ailerons, even though they were far forward of any damage.

I also was a little surprised when the ATC said he looked as his fellow ATCs and spoke of how they would not make it and die. I know the situation didn't look so good but with a veteran Captain and a training pilot at the controls I would have thought he would have more confidence about the situation. I mean Captain Haynes nearly brought that plane in. I was a little surprised at the ATC comments.

With the kind of damage the pilot was telling him they had, it's not surprising the ATC thought the plane wasn't going to make it.
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RE: Crash Of United 232 On NBC Dateline Tonight

Wed Jun 02, 2004 7:36 am

I'm with Texdravid
This is not your regular arrival  Wow!

http://www.airdisaster.com/eyewitness/ual232fig4.jpg

Incredible hey?

If that doesn't display, there's a link to Fig 4 from the main /eyewitness/ual232 page mentioned above.
Or C+P into a new window.

I flew the same route, same airline, different DC-10 a week beforehand.
Won't forget that.

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