aa757first
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FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 5:50 am

Hi all!

I just got back from FLL, and meet two excellent and friendly flight attendants on ACA and Song. Part of the reason was because after I asked them if I could take a safety card, not only did they allow me to, but they ran back to the galley to get fresh ones. I was just wondering if I wrote the letter to Delta or ACA and mentioned this, would they get into trouble?

AAndrew
 
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RE: FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 6:02 am

I guess their thinking is that it was better to take a replacement one than one from the actual seat pocket.

At quick glance, United's safety cards say, "please return to seat pocket for next customer" but both Mexicana and Skywest say, "do not remove from aircraft."

I'm assuming it is okay dependent on what is actually written on the bottom of the safety cards...

Better to ask than just gnab one! Nice work.

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RE: FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 6:32 am

westjet's mention DO NOT REMOVE FROM AIRCRAFT.
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RE: FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 6:37 am

Most airlines' safety cards state that they must not be removed from the aircraft, a sensible statement given their purpose. There are, unfortunately, a number of odious individuals who believe that theft is acceptable.
 
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RE: FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 6:39 am

Some 4-5 years ago I was working for travel section of a newspaper and I took a part on a one-day trip to CDG when the new unlucky terminal 2 was just opened. It was hosted by AF and we were given a tour of AFs Concorde hangars, were able to roam free through them. I asked for a copy of the SSC safety card and was given one - a real trasure now I guess. If I knew then SSCs will be out of service so quick I'd ask for more copies.
 
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RE: FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 6:45 am

Asking is Waaaaaaay better then just taking one. If you ask for one, and they give you one, you can not get in any trouble. If you get caught just taking one.......that is another story.
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aa757first
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RE: FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 6:48 am

I'm not concerned about myself, after all, a Delta rep gave it to me. I just don't want to get these flight attendants into trouble.

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RE: FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 6:49 am

If you're going to write to DL, better be safe than sorry (for the FA's) and do not mention it...

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RE: FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 7:59 am

I thought it was against the law for anyone to take the safety cards from aircraft?
 
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RE: FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 9:53 am

You did not take the active card from a seat. That is where you are not supposed to take them from. Most airlines carry extras on board incase one gets ruined or stolen. IF They give you on there is no problem. One last time. The only time there is a problem removing them from and aircraft is if it is the one from the seat.

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RE: FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:04 am

You defiantly did the right thing by asking the crew for a card, chances are they will give you one without much fuss, however it can work quite the opposite. I have even had a crewmember go as far as raiding the demo kit for a fresh card, she stated she would tell the next station she was missing one and get it replaced ASAP.

As far as a letter to the airline, I would write in and express your experience with the crew, however I would NOT mention the card they gave you. Think of it this way, we all know a comp upgrades or drinks get passed out to passengers on occasion, is this good customer service? YES, but something the crew wants brought to their higher ups attention? NO...You can hint at things, by mentioning your passion for aviation, and that the crew made the experience well worth it, etc etc...Just don't mention the cards....
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RE: FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 11:55 am

I've taken ton's of safety cards and never have gotten caught.
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RE: FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 11:57 am

If I were in your position, I would write to Delta and tell them how helpful the cabin attendants were and describe the service that they provided, but I'd leave out the fact that they gave you the safety cards (just in case....)  Big grin

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RE: FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 11:59 am

Your mentioning this is more likely to get them in trouble than if you hadn't said anything at all.

But sounds like you had a nice crew, a positive note!
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RE: FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 12:03 pm

Thank you for asking first. I would not mention it but still write a general thank you note to the FA's supervisors if you felt like they went above and beyond. Odds are at ACA anyways they would not get in trouble but there is a large enough chance that someone could be AR about it and the FA could be reprimanded. Most of the time we have stack of spare cards and if someone asked nicely (not demanded) I'd be glad to let them have one. It is a simple enough gesture. Taking them out of the pocket however is wrong. FAA requires that each seat has one and if you remove it the FA might not notice right away. It's not realistic to check every seat pocket on a quick turn.
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RE: FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 12:15 pm

You could always try writing to the airline and asking if they have any out of date safety cards. I kept a couple after I finished working for NZ as both had been replaced by a newer issue.
 
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RE: FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 12:48 pm

NO - ABSOLUTELY NOT! DO NOT MENTION THAT!! LOL
 
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RE: FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 1:01 pm

NO - ABSOLUTELY NOT! DO NOT MENTION THAT!!

Sounds like you've got your answer  Big grin

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RE: FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 3:05 pm

Why are you taking emergency safety cards in the first place? They are there for a reason. Not for your entertainment. You remind me of the Scandinavian punks that would slash the seat belts off when they deplaned the aircraft and use them later as a belt. This stuff costs the company money and delays the flights because the cabin crews have to replace the evac card that COAB767 stole from the seat. Thanks guy.
 
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RE: FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 3:10 pm

AAndrew:

Just let it go, dont write DL anything about this safety card issue. Just let it go, its not worth your time or their time. Plus you dont want to get the F/As jobs into jeopardy. Like I said, just let it go...just ain't worth it.

As far as taking an ACTIVE safety card from the seat pocket in front of you, I think that would be in a violation of Federal Aviation Regulations, but I dont know which part that would be.
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RE: FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 11:08 pm

Just want to know does tha F/A or the cleaners actually note down the seat numbers and the PNR and Pax record to put that person is some sort of BAnned list where things go missing (eg. Life Jackets, Safety Cards, Noise Cancelling headsets etc..) Because one thing that was annyoing was that on my last flight I noticed there were some kids sitting on the opposite side and raided the whole seat during the rest period (this is on CX's J Class). ( They took a big bag off the plane!) I mean isn't it dangerous (especially the lifejacket?? it is located on the side in the New Business Class)


No Reference to airlines required, but just want to know does these idiots get noted for future reference???
 
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RE: FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Tue Jun 01, 2004 11:28 pm

As WidgetBoi stated, I would write a nice letter to the airline stating what a wonderful flight you had and you'd like to compliment the F/A's. That's it, don't mention the safety card bit. Just think of it as a nice gift from the F/A to you. She will have fond thoughts of you.......
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RE: FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:45 pm

Just want to know does tha F/A or the cleaners actually note down the seat numbers and the PNR and Pax record to put that person is some sort of BAnned list where things go missing...

When I was at WN, we didnt take names of pax who took stuff off of a/c on RON. We just simply replace the items with no questions asked.
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RE: FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Wed Jun 02, 2004 11:06 pm

Taking a safety card won't get you blacklisted or anything, because you can't really prove someone took that unless you catch them. However I have seen a situation in the past were a pax was tracked down in the airport for having removed a seat belt and life jacket from the aircraft. Luckily the person was still waiting to pick up their bags... and the items were retrieved.
 
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RE: FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Wed Jun 02, 2004 11:08 pm

Oh, I guess I should mention though, that although taking a safety card won't get you black listed, it's still theft. You should always ask the flight crew if you could have one, so they can at least make sure one isn't missing from the seat. Airlines do get fined for not having one in everyseat. You shouldn't steal anything from a plane. But asking nicely is the best way to go.
 
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RE: FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Thu Jun 03, 2004 12:02 am

Removing emergency equipment like a life jacket might get you persecuted under federal law (if it is an US airline) or local law. Expect a heavy fine.

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RE: FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Thu Jun 03, 2004 1:14 am

Removing the cards (especially without permission) is as bad as removing those tags from your mattress!
At least you asked!

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RE: FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Thu Jun 03, 2004 1:31 am

There is no problem with asking for a safety card. Most F/A's (9 out of 10) are MORE than happy that you are interested and will most of the time go back to the galley and get a fresh one out of the pack for you. The problem is when people just take them without asking. Then the next person who uses that seat may not be adequately briefed in case of an emergency even though they may watch the safety demo. You can never be too prepared for those kinds of situations. My thoughts are just to send a nice letter telling them about your experience, giving much laud to the F/A's. I don't see it pertinent to tell them that they gave you a safety card. When I was into collecting safety cards, I wrote to a few airlines telling them about my hobby and politely asking if they could send me some safety cards, and a few sent me brand new cards from the entire fleet. Condor sticks out in my mind because they sent me brand new safeties for the entire fleet, along with Thomas Cook gummy bears, stickers, pencils, and a nice letter thanking me for my interest in the company.

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RE: FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Thu Jun 03, 2004 2:30 am

If you want to get technical, it is a violation of FARs to remove safety related equipment from aircraft. This would include safety briefing cards and life jackets. Not to mention it is considered theft. However, at AA, I don't recall having ever been given specific instruction about the safety briefing cards being given to passengers. We always have a pile of extra ones, just in case one rips or a seat comes up missing one. As long as every seat has a card, there shouldn't be a problem with getting a spare. I think you did the right thing in asking, and I agree that you shouldn't mention it in your letter. However, I do encourage you to write a letter complementing the flight attendants on their service and "accomodating" nature.

Those letters are forwarded to the flight attendants and copies are placed in their personnel file. It's always nice to get a pax letter.
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aa757first
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RE: FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?

Thu Jun 03, 2004 5:14 am

I didn't realize this thread had grown so long. I did write the letter to ACA and Delta, but left out the safety card part. On the ACA flight, I asked the flight attendant if I could take the one from the seat, she said sure, but came back with a new one from the galley and asked me to put the one I had back so I could get that new one. On the Song flight, I asked her if she had a spare and she said "Just take one from the seat." However, she was on the ball, so I'm sure either she replaced it or wrote a note to the cleaners. On the USA 3000 flight, I asked if I could take this one with me and she said "Yeah." The expression on her face looked like "Why are you even asking me." She had no idea you weren't supposed to take them. But, I believe the cleaners check them between every flight, so I'm sure it was replaced.

You remind me of the Scandinavian punks that would slash the seat belts off when they deplaned the aircraft and use them later as a belt.

If an SAS flight attendant told the people they could take the seat belts, is that stealing? I would say no.

Why are you taking emergency safety cards in the first place?

Why do you care if a ACA/Delta/USA 3000 representative told me I could take them?

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/44436/

AAndrew