pzurita1
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KLM Routes Just After Wwii

Tue Jun 01, 2004 7:39 am

I post this question in the knowledge than some of you guys will certainly have info to solve it.

A friend of mine told me that KLM flew to MEX via MTY and NYC in around 1950. Is this true? If so, what a/c did they use?

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RE: KLM Routes Just After Wwii

Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:36 am

KLM started operations on the DC4 to New York in 1946.
http://www.klm.com/corporate_en/index.jsp

This was the first service to New York from Europe. They started to Batavia in 1945 already...

source (dutch)
http://www.lvnl.nl/nl/overlvnl/1923_nu/body.html

 
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RE: KLM Routes Just After Wwii

Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:58 pm

I'm not home now, but from memory KLM never flew from Mexico to New York in the 1950s. But via Montreal is possible.

You didn't mean MTY did you?
 
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RE: KLM Routes Just After Wwii

Tue Jun 01, 2004 11:53 pm

Timz,

Oh yes, I did mean MTY.
My friend and I were discussing about historical MTY-NYC flights, and he came out with this KL MEX-MTY-NYC-AMS in the post war. It was very strange for me to hear this as I thought KL started flying to MEX in 1970's.

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RE: KLM Routes Just After Wwii

Wed Jun 02, 2004 12:17 am

Yeah, I figured you meant Monterrey-- I mixed up MTY and PTY.

If nobody else answers, e-mail me next week after I can look up the old OAGs. Until then, I'm still guessing they flew MTY-YUL.
 
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RE: KLM Routes Just After Wwii

Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:50 am

KLM started flying to Mexico in 1952. Once weekly using a DC-6, a 32 hr flight [one-way]. I guess it made several stops en-route, but unfortunately I could not find those stops. It might very well be that New York was one of them.
I do know that in 1946 once weekly a New York flight would contiunue to Curaçao.

The first [trial] New York flight departed AMS on 25 Feb 1946 by DC-4 Skymasyter NL-305, with US captain McClure. Regular service [twice weekly] was started at 21 May 1946 by the DC-4-1009 "Rotterdam", captain was Evert van Dijk [who also flew the very same route 16 years before with Sir Charles Kingsford Smith in Fokker F.VIIB/3m "Southern Cross"]. The New York flights made en-route stops in Prestwick and Gander for a total travel time of 25 hrs 30 min [net flight time 21 hrs] one way.

JFK [Idlewild] was not yet open to business at the time, and all KLM flights operating to New York were using North Beach Airport, which in 1947 off course became La Guardia Airport. I believe that KLM started using Idlewild [today JFK] only in 1948, so KLM did operate transatlantic service into LGA!





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RE: KLM Routes Just After Wwii

Thu Jun 03, 2004 4:44 am

PW100:
Very interesting all your info.
Thanks
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RE: KLM Routes Just After Wwii

Sun Jun 06, 2004 7:03 am

8/53 OAG shows a weekly MEX-MTY-YUL-YQX-SNN-AMS; on one page it says DC-6 and on another it says DC-6B. The 10/52 OAG says the service was to start 16 October.

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