kl911
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Onur Air A321 Take Off Incident

Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:26 am

According to Dutch newspapers, An Onur Air flight from Groningen ( Holland) scheduled to fly to Dalaman ( Turkey) aborted take off after a bird strike in one of the engines.

A Full emergency was declared and the Airport was closed for a moment. The 207 passengers and 8 crew could leave the aircraft in small groups by bus after an hour.

From there they were brought by bus to Enschede ( Holland) to catch another plane to Dalaman. A few passengers were so scared that they cancelled their holiday.

17 June last year, an Onur Air MD 88 landed next to the runway at the same airport, after which this airline was under extra surveillance.

Full Article : http://www.dvhn.nl/Index Dutch only, sorry.
 
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RE: Onur Air A321 Take Off Incident

Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:52 am

17 June last year, an Onur Air MD 88 landed next to the runway at the same airport, after which this airline was under extra surveillance

THAT was the first thing I though of, when I red the Topic! Do we (already) know the cause of that accident?

Interesting news! But a A321? Can 207 people and 8 crew members fit in a A321? More than I thought. When did this happen? 31 May?

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RE: Onur Air A321 Take Off Incident

Wed Jun 02, 2004 4:45 am

Yep they certainly can, charter airlines A321s have 220 seats, plus 6/7 crew!
 
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RE: Onur Air A321 Take Off Incident

Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:12 am

An A321 with 220 seats in it must be a cashcow, if it has the range to get from Holland to Dalaman (charter airlines don't carry much freight) with all the seats filled, you're making good money. Easy.
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kl911
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RE: Onur Air A321 Take Off Incident

Wed Jun 02, 2004 6:18 am

It did have 207 pax onboard, but Onur Air is one of the cheapest charter airlines around, their safety record is not great, and I guess seat pitch is'nt super either... It was scheduled to fly via Enschede ( Eastern part of Holland) because for the moment the runway in Groningen is to short for a full charter flight, and the passengers for that city get off the plane, and they refuel there. On the return flight they fly to Groningen direct.

It surprises me a bit.. 207 pax on a 321..... My last flight on a 321 was an Aer Lingus , DUB - LON , Sunday morning at around 06.00 with 16 persons onboard..... Good service, almost 1 stewardess for 2 pax!
 
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RE: Onur Air A321 Take Off Incident

Wed Jun 02, 2004 6:28 am

Some of Onur Air A321s are ex-MEA F-OHMP and F-OHMQ I believe, those were configured for about 147 passengers. Don't know if the seating arrangements were changed, maybe it wasn't the same plane.
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kl911
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RE: Onur Air A321 Take Off Incident

Wed Jun 02, 2004 6:47 am

AirxLiban,

I know MEA is a great airline, but 147 seats on a A321 seems a bit like a royal configuration.... With the reputation Onur Air has now , I wonder why don't try to put 350 seats in this plane..
 
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RE: Onur Air A321 Take Off Incident

Wed Jun 02, 2004 6:54 am

31J/118Y for a grand total of...damn arithmetic...uh....149. lol.

http://www.mea.com.lb/aboutus/planes/newfleet.htm

These are on the new A321s that the company bought, F-ORM(E,F,G,H,I,J). I remember the old A321s as having fewer J class seats. Maybe they have something like 160? I don't know. Anyway, luckily this one was only a bird.
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kl911
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RE: Onur Air A321 Take Off Incident

Wed Jun 02, 2004 7:08 am

Why does MEA has the F- registration? France has nothing to do with Lebanon, has it? Can someone explane me this? Thanks
 
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RE: Onur Air A321 Take Off Incident

Wed Jun 02, 2004 7:48 am

220 seats on an A321 is regular for charter airlines, as is 235-239 on a B757.
The more they pack in, the more money they can make...
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RE: Onur Air A321 Take Off Incident

Wed Jun 02, 2004 6:46 pm

Why does MEA has the F- registration? France has nothing to do with Lebanon, has it? Can someone explane me this? Thanks

Most likely the planes are leased, and are registered by the leasing company. Many of MX and AM's aircraft are leased and are US registered. It's quite common.
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RE: Onur Air A321 Take Off Incident

Wed Jun 02, 2004 6:53 pm

Mmmh, they do speak French in Lebanon, don't they?  Wink/being sarcastic
 
cedarjet
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RE: Onur Air A321 Take Off Incident

Wed Jun 02, 2004 7:56 pm

Actually Lebanon was created by France in 1920, and French is one of the two official languages of Lebanon. To say the two countries have nothing to do with each other KL911 is completely wrong (btw apparently CDG-BEY is Air France's most profitable route).

Although in this case I think it's cos the lessor is French, just like you see a lot of EI- registrations because of Guinness Peat and their corporate successors. MEA's 747s were all November-reg since the mid 80s (they were indeed delivered with OD- registrations), because of who owned them (US leasing co).
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RE: Onur Air A321 Take Off Incident

Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:05 pm

Do we have some facts about the safety of all those Turkish charter companies flying into AMS and the rest of the Netherlands?

I remember there were some incidents with AIR ALFA here at AMS in in the past. In my memory, one A300 reportedly came close to the Schiphol control tower and on another occasion, and A300 landed short of, or beside the runway. Add to this the Onur Air MD-80 overrun at Groningen, and you'll uderstand many people having mixed feelings about these companies...

But of course I won't judge yet, lets get some true facts first Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Onur Air A321 Take Off Incident

Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:27 pm

I was on an Onur Air A300 the last week. It was very scary in that we were packed like Sardines and we had some type of explosion on the left wing shortly after takeoff. The pilot said it was lightening, but it was the only piece of lightening anyone saw. Right after the explosion (white colored), the planes lurched right to left quite violently. We then proceeded on the rest of the 45 minute IST-Anatalya flight uneventfully.

Many people were quite shaken up (including myself- I fly probebly close to 200 segments in any given calendar year). I will never voluntarily take that airline again and was quite annoyed at my friend who booked the flights with them just to save 50 bucks over Turkish Airlines and their brand new 737's.

Everything seemed very loosey goosey and the employees on the ground were inept. The interior of the plane was very worn. Makes you wonder about maintenance and training. If it looks like sh!t, smells like sh!t, it probably is sh!t...
 
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RE: Onur Air A321 Take Off Incident

Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:34 pm

Lebanon has 3 official languages.

In order of importance: Arabic, French, English.

However nowadays, English has become more popular than French by the public.

About t he MEA A321 French registrations. It was part paying agreement and insurance agreement that they had to have French registrations until full payment is complete.

MEA is paying for them over a 10-year period I believe. I guess you can say it is a mortgage.  Smile

Scbriml,

The A321s are owned by MEA as I said being paid for over a 10-year period (I think it is 10-years). The A330s are leased from ILFC also having French registrations, F-OMEA, B, C.

Regards
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RE: Onur Air A321 Take Off Incident

Wed Jun 02, 2004 11:56 pm

Ahhhh.. Memories of flying with Onur (LGW-IST-LGW). The only time I have ever had an inflight meal served in a cardboard box!

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