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Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 8:33 am

Haven't seen the model yet.

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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 8:35 am

Good news for the American economy!
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 8:37 am

10 Boeing Gemini Jets??
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 8:42 am

Four 777-200ER's and will lease 4 more.

Will also purchase 2 7E7's

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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 8:44 am

Here is the text from Air NZ

Air New Zealand today signed agreements to acquire eight new Boeing 777-200 ER and two Boeing 7E7 aircraft as well as rights to purchase a further 42 long-haul aircraft.

Given the size of the transaction, under Stock Exchange and Companies Act requirements, Air New Zealand will be required to seek shareholder approval.

The Boeing aircraft will provide the airline with new capabilities for its long haul operations. These aircraft will allow us to develop new routes and increase frequency on existing routes as well as provide an overall increase in both passenger and cargo capacity. Another benefit is that the new fleet will provide Air New Zealand with lower operating costs and improved financial performance over and above that which could be achieved by expanding the existing fleet of 10 Boeing 767s.

Four of the new 300-plus seat Boeing 777-200 ER aircraft will be purchased and the other four leased from International Lease Finance Corporation. The cost of the four aircraft and the necessary infrastructure to maintain the fleet of eight is in excess of NZ$1-billion.

The interiors for these new aircraft will mirror the soon-to-be unveiled upgrade for Air New Zealand's Boeing 747s.

The eight Boeing 777-200 ER aircraft will begin entering service in September 2005, with the first five expected to be delivered by April 2006. The final three aircraft will be introduced in the last half of 2006. All the aircraft will be powered by Rolls Royce Trent 800 series engines.

The decision to purchase the Boeing 777-200 ER and 7E7 represents the next phase in Air New Zealand's commitment to transforming its business. The first phase was the introduction of Domestic Express, Tasman Express and Pacific Express and the corresponding introduction of its new Airbus A320 fleet.

The delivery date for the two 7E7 aircraft, which will be capable of carrying approximately 230 customers, is still to be determined, but it will coincide with the retirement from service of the remaining 767s. The cost of the two aircraft and necessary infrastructure to support them is in excess of NZ$350 million.

Air New Zealand's 7E7s will be powered by the revolutionary new Rolls Royce Trent 1000 engine. Air New Zealand is the first airline in the world to place an order for engines to power the new Boeing 7E7.

The decision to commit to the 7E7 and the Rolls Royce Trent 1000 is a clear signal of where Air New Zealand is positioning itself - innovative, efficient and delivering the best products to customers.

The Boeing 7E7 will use up to 20 percent less fuel than other aircraft of its size. It will travel at speeds similar to today's fastest wide bodies and feature innovative technology that will give passengers great comfort.

The Boeing 7E7 will also carry up to 50% more cargo than today's similar size aircraft.

Air New Zealand's decision to secure rights to purchase a further 42 aircraft reflects the airline's belief in the potential to expand its passenger and cargo business into new long haul destinations and increase traffic from existing core routes.

The purchase rights will give us the ability to choose from a range of aircraft types that best suit our long haul business as it develops in the future. The aircraft options will include the Boeing 777-200 ER, 777-200 LR, 7E7 and the 777-300 ER, which could replace our Boeing 747s in about a decade.

Air New Zealand's long haul fleet currently comprises of ten Boeing 767s and eight Boeing 747s. By early 2007 the fleet composition is expected to be eight 777-200ERs, seven 747s and five 767s, as leased aircraft will be returned as contracts expire.

To put this into a passenger and cargo context, Air New Zealand's long haul fleet currently consists of 5408 available seats and 268 tonnes available capacity across 18 aircraft.

By early 2007, the fleet will consist of 6466 available seats and 291 tonnes available capacity across 20 aircraft. This represents a 20% increase in seats for long haul aircraft. This growth is consistent with the airline's capacity growth goal of 5 percent, given the network base year of 2003.

A low growth network scenario has also been modelled. The firm commitment to aircraft that has been announced represents a minimum of aircraft that will be required by Air New Zealand going forward, and also falls below the amount that would be required under a low growth scenario.

We expect to fill the increase in seats and cargo capacity by flying to new destinations, increasing frequency on current destinations and stimulating new demand.

A team of senior managers has spent the past 18 months conducting an exhaustive evaluation of the aircraft options available from both Boeing and Airbus. The Air New Zealand Board has been regularly updated during the process.

The intensive and robust evaluation process highlighted that both the manufacturers' products were capable of meeting Air New Zealand's requirements. But on balance the Boeing aircraft best fits our long haul and business needs.

This same exhaustive process two years ago found that the Airbus A320 was the best fit for our short haul needs and as expected the aircraft is performing to expectations and has proven to be the right choice for the airline.

Air New Zealand looks forward to continuing to work closely with Boeing and Airbus as it seeks to consolidate and grow its business in both the short haul and long haul markets.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 8:44 am

And 42 options!
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 8:49 am

A very good coup for Boeing
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 8:51 am

I think its great, but I have the following concerns:

1) 2 7E7s is hardly sufficient to replace their fleet of 767s
2) The Trent on the 777-200ER, along with 42 options covering 777-200LRs and 777-300ERs seems like an unwise choice. ANZ operates no other Trent series engines, and its hardly an economical choice to have 16 Trent 800s then x number of GE90s and 4 (heh, 4!) Trent 1000s.

I am, of course, happy for Rolls that they won the business, especially for the Trent 1000, and etc. Its just a curious mix of business, imo.

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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 8:53 am

Perhaps they don't want to be held hostage by GE.  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 8:53 am

A superier aircraft for a superior national carrier.

You know, the 717 might not be a bad inter-island choice for them either  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:00 am

Another good thing is that all of these will be new-orders... despite the leases!  Big thumbs up
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:02 am

How many airlines have ordered the 7E7 thus far?
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:03 am

ANZ operates no other Trent series engines, and its hardly an economical choice to have 16 Trent 800s then x number of GE90s and 4 (heh, 4!) Trent 1000s.


I think the options for the 773ER and the 772LR have been included by Boeing to encourage NZ to buy them. It never stated NZ intended to get the 777NG's (Although obviously they will strongly consider it). Boeing are hardly going to say you can have options on the 772ER but not the 777NG's.

And the A380 will be avalible with GE's too BTW.

How many airlines have ordered the 7E7 thus far?

2 airlines totalling 52 aircraft

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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:04 am

How many airlines have ordered the 7E7 thus far?

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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:06 am

Gigneil,
What you're saying about the engine choice makes perfect sense - I just wonder how muc the decision, like the IAE choice on the A320s, was driven by trying to gain experience that the Engineering department could market?
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:09 am

Congrats Boeing, Yehhhhh~
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:09 am

thanks for that

Great news for Air NZ
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:10 am

This comes as a pleasant surprise, though I agree with gigneil in that it is a curious choice of engine manufacturer.



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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:17 am

Great day for Boeing!

Congrats!
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:26 am

By the way... How many A-320/21 have ordered NZ? and how many do they have delivered now?
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:32 am

The most interesting thing is that it just passed 5:30 in Seattle not too long ago, surely there's someone there to post the composite images and press release on the Boeing website?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 10:05 am

Yea, as much as I want to believe this, there are no press releases!  Confused

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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 10:30 am

Someone has mentioned the 717 here already...right?  Big grin


I wonder how this will affect future Qantas purchases?
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 10:31 am

Yea, as much as I want to believe this, there are no press releases!

Sure there are, both from ANZ and the Bloomberg report.

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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 10:35 am

Uhhh, the above is a PRESS RELEASE.. duh.. from ANZ, the orderer.

I must admit, the engine choice was a question as I read, and so I kept reading and kept reading... and said, (out loud!) "Rolls? They ordered... Rolls???" How unexpected. But then, I didn't expect them to order Boeing, either. I really figured that they'd go GEs. I figured A330s with GE's.

Oh well- I am happy they ordered 777s and 7E7s, regardless of engine choice. And I don't have anything against Rolls engines.

Huzzah for good news!!!

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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 10:52 am

Hehe, sorry about that, I skipped ahead in the thread because I was late for practice Embarrassment.

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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 11:02 am

Fantastic news for ANZ. I had heard it from an 'insider' at Air New Zealand and went straight to Airliners.net to see if the news had broken. They must have big plans ahead.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 11:05 am

Will they be used for LAX service ? When UA used there's wasn't range a issue? Or was it weight - restricted?
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 11:15 am

1) 2 7E7s is hardly sufficient to replace their fleet of 767s

They're not meant to. The entire order will be replacing the 767s.

How many airlines have ordered the 7E7 thus far?

As far as I know, that makes two airlines for 52 confirmed aircraft (ANA for 50+50 and ANZ for 2).



Good news for Boeing, since this is over $800M in sales, and good news for ANZ, if their shareholders approve it.
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 11:22 am

United_Fan,

Range wasn't an issue but it was ETOPS restricted.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 11:38 am

The 2 7E7's are only a starter. You can expect a lot more of these to be ordered in the future. We only received our latest 763 in 2000, so they are still relatively young. I believe management have made the right decision to go with the 772. Perfect aircraft for the routes we fly, and will be flying to. To answer an earlier question, we now have 7 A320's flying with 8 more to come from this September. 4 of these (ZK-OJI thru OJL) are going to our LCC Freedomair.

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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 12:03 pm

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy !@!!!!!!!  Smile

don't know why I responded like that..... just that I'm in a very good mood right now
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 12:25 pm

Great News. I'm more happy about Air NZ getting the 777 though. Finally the 777 is now flown by all airlines in each continent. Both aircraft are the future of Boeing.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeing

Wed Jun 02, 2004 12:32 pm

This is exciting news! Way to go NZ! Can anyone speculate on the routes these fine aircraft will be servicing?
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 12:48 pm

United777,
What do you mean by the 777 now being flown by an airline in each continent?
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 12:52 pm

Wow, I knew they said the decision will be within two weeks but I didn't expect it this soon. Great News NZ.
what are the other 42 Boeings on options. 777s and 7E7s obviously but any 747advanced in there? It would be nice if they could continue to operate the 747 even after their 8 have been retired.
I hope to be flying them for NZ in a few years.

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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 1:04 pm

777s and 7E7s obviously but any 747advanced in there?

No, Boeing has yet to offer a 747Adv. The only thing we know of such an aircraft is speculation.

You're not suggesting we're part of Australia are you?

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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 1:07 pm

The most interesting thing is that it just passed 5:30 in Seattle not too long ago, surely there's someone there to post the composite images and press release on the Boeing website?

Boeing's corporate headquarters is in Chicago.  Big grin
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 1:11 pm

Region will suffice for now....

Any one got any pic of these big birds in NZ colours yet???
and what about the new longhaul interior???
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 1:14 pm

Having been newly employed by Air New Zealand just last month, and being a frequent visitor to a.net for a couple years now, the announcement for 8 new 777's and 2 7E7's tonight finally gave me that extra boost to fork out the credit card and join in on the message boards, opinions, daily Airbus vs. Boeing outbursts, and all around good fun and useful information provided by this addictive website  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

The chatter at LAX among my fellow NZ employees about new equipment to replace our 767's has been the hot topic for, well, since I joined the team. I can hardly wait to see NZ's first LAX 777 service.

Being an avid commercial aviation fan all my life and practically being born into the aviation industry, this announcement was really exciting for me, personally. Way to go Air New Zealand  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 1:59 pm

speculation of the 777 routes:

will start off on Sydney Auckland runs for crew training (similar to what most airlines do when they get a new a/c type SQ did it with the A345 running them to Jakarta and Bali a couple times) and then switch them to the Tokyo and Hong Kong sectors and maybe even start SFO possibly...

Wasn't it widely thought that Airbus would get an order from them for the A330???
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 2:16 pm

i would also assume that the 777s will fly the new Christchurch-Los Angeles services!

here is a link to the 772ER photo in NZ c/s...

looks great!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3570135&thesection=news&thesubsection=general

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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 2:20 pm

I personally think the 777s will be muscle in on the 767 action.. and will replace the 767 on the AKL-PPT-LAX run. With that many... there's no way LAX is gonna be left out of that mix!


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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 2:27 pm

Will they be used for LAX service? YES cause the B763 was used for the LAX via Pacific Islands so you will see either the 772 or 7E7 in LAX on daily flights. It could also replace some 744 flights to SFO and/or LAX


This is exciting news! Way to go NZ! Can anyone speculate on the routes these fine aircraft will be servicing? The new planes will replace the B763 routes.

When UA used there's wasn't range a issue? Or was it weight-restricted? Range was not an issue. UA stopped the AKL flights because they were not making any profit on the route
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 2:28 pm

Good things take Time.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 2:48 pm

This is great news for Air NZ and Boeing!

Can't wait to see those new Aircraft here at AKL, guess they will become like any other aircraft in the fleet after a while but thats cool!
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:09 pm

YESSSSS! Great news! Nice to see that they will get them as soon as Sep05!!  Smile I do agree that it's a bit strange that they will get RR engines since it seems that they will order 777-300ER later on but NZ already operates 744s with both GE and RR engines.

Nice also to see that they will be getting the 7E7 as well!!

Looking forward to seeing these aircraft at LAX in little over a year!

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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:35 pm

Fantastic News. Boeing must have really sharpened up their pencils for this one or Ralph Norris believes 7E7/777 are superior to the Airbus offering.

I won't argue with him on that score. It will be a nice balanced fleet of both Airbus (shorthaul) and Boeing (longhaul).

With the price of Oil the way its going I suspect there will be more than 2 7E7s in the future.

The 777s are going to look smashing in the "Koru' livery of Air New Zealand. Way to go Boeing.. way to go Ralph Norris. Wow! Big grin  Smokin cool
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:53 pm

I actually found this to be amuzing because I read in a magazine the otherday (not sure which one) that claimed that Air New Zealand was not interested in the 777 or 7E7 because there were no other operators of those type within their region that would help with the maintanence and that it was instead looking at the A330 model. Actually, I remember now, it's was in Airliner World magazine (June 2004). It goes to show you, rumors are always started, and on many occasions, false information is given. So after all that was said and done, ANZ orders the 777 and 7E7 after all. Good for Boeing, congrats.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings

Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:59 pm

congratulation to both, Air New Zealand and Boeing. Love this 777 birds and I'm glad that Air New Zealand has choosen those great airplanes.

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