Flying-Tiger
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SAA Order Coming...

Sat Feb 12, 2000 9:47 pm

As perviously mentioned in one post South African Airlines will order some planes, maybe up to 25. At least 15 will be narrow-bodies, here the decision will be most likely between the A320/312 and the 737-400 or 737NG with having the 32X the lead. The other up to 10 planes will be wide-bodies, it seems like they will order some B747-400 and A340-600. The 777X seems not to be in the race due to SR´s 26% stake in SAA. The widebody-order might be financed via Flightlease-GATX, SR´s leasing company.

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RE: SAA Order Coming...

Sat Feb 12, 2000 10:46 pm

Hi Flying-tiger,

I would be interested to know where you are getting your information from. Are you able to disclose this?

SAA might be showing a profit at the moment, but for years and years, while it was a wholly government run operation the Company lost millions. This was partly due to the fact that there were too many different aircraft types and too many different engine types in service. The fact that they already have a fleet of Airbus A320's and an A320 simulator makes me think that they will buy more of the same rather than 737NG's.

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They already have a number of 747-444's and a simulator, so given the fact that the 747 200/300/SP

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range are getting quite old, they will want to ditch these and it would make a lot of sense to get more 747-400's. The Airbus A300B2/B4 fleet is also getting quite old, although they are still in excellent condition and I am not sure what a suitable alternative for these will be.

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A previous order for 777's was cancelled and I don't believe that these would be re-ordered for intercontinental routes Remember they have three 767's in the fleet. Would there not be a possibility of getting more 767's to replace the A300 fleet?

Does your source say the aircraft will be all new, or a mixture of new and second hand?

I know the Swissair MD-11 fleet is destined to go to Fedex, but I wouldn't mind seeing SAA taking over the MD-11's. After all, the MD-11 was considered previously and there is no need for them to have an all new fleet. They could use them on the lucrative Cape Town - Johannesburg route where 747's are frequently used and they could use them to destinations to the Far East where ETOPS restrictions otherwise apply.

What do you think?

Nick
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RE: SAA Order Coming...

Sat Feb 12, 2000 11:10 pm

Nick, we all know that rumours can´t be disclosed. The information I previously have posted on this subject comes from local newspapers in South Africa and from the orders list at egroups. It seems quite reliable. I add the for the meassage: http://www.egroups.com/list/orders/8101.htm When you´ve read it you understand the SAA order better.

The A300 will be for sure replaced, I think it is possible that SAA becomes a launch customer once the new A300 is launched. The MD-11s from SR are already sold to Fedex so they can´t go to SAA. Here I think the A340-500/-600 will get the deal with some B747-400, the reason are the SR stake and the existing facilities at SAA.

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RE: SAA Order Coming...

Sun Feb 13, 2000 12:01 am

There's a report on this story in today's Independent On-Line : http://www.iol.co.za/news/newsview.php3?click_id=81&set_id=1&art_id=ct2000021120072013_232423
It says they're looking for 15 narrow bodies - to replace 16 in the current fleet (11 x B737-244 & 7 x A320-231) - guess they'll be looking for increased individual capacity.

It was announced a while ago that the B767s are to be returned to their lessors - I remember reading somewhere that ZS-SRA has already left the fleet and been put back into service by LAM.
 
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RE: SAA Order Coming...

Sun Feb 13, 2000 12:18 am

But when 120-150 M-US-$ per plane are mentioned the 32X and 737NG aren´t the ones which are considered as these cost around 50 M-US-$ per unit.

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