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Questions On The A340-500/600

Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:03 am

I was wonder how sales are doing for the 500 and 600? Also how do airlines that operate them like the a/c? I have seen the 600 in YVR a few times and it looks like a great a/c
 
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:18 am

I was wonder how sales are doing for the 500 and 600?

A346 has a slight lead over the 773ER, which is rather pathetic as it's been available twice as long (it lost it's lead for over a year at that).

A345 remains far ahead of the 772LR in number of units ordered, though it should be noted that the overwhelming majority of those orders were placed when it was the only C-market aircraft available. The Airbus has only been able to secure a single new customer (TG) in the four years since the launch of its twinjet competitor.
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:28 am

Based on favorable reviews I've read recently on the 777-300ER's performance and economics, it seems reasonable that it and its 777-200LR stablemate can soon pull even with the A345/6, provided that pricings of the Boeings aren't too much higher. Even with a slightly higher price, however, it can probably stay in the hunt; reviews in AS&ST and FI have been resoundingly positive.
 
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:32 am

provided that pricings of the Boeings aren't too much higher.

...they list significantly higher than the Airbuses, despite Boeing's [superficial] lowering.
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:33 am

Both 345 & 346 is leading the orders, just look at www.airbus.com,
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:59 am

Michael, he doesn't sound all that upset, to me. And he has a point, despite years of lead time AND a significantly lower price, the A346 only has a nominal lead over the 773ER, one that Boeing could erase with only a couple of significant orders. The A345 DOES have a big lead over the 772LR but remember, that model was put on hold for 18 months before development resumed fairly recently. That model, too, could close much of the gap with only a couple of significant orders and anyway, the C market isn't very big.
 
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:37 am

Of course, everything C-boy say is right and true  Insane
Im just giving the guy (CO737800) facts about the orders for 345/6, is that so wrong, and C-boy called it "rather pathetic"! Sounds to me that C-boy is a humongus loooser, cant stand Airbus as we all know, bla bla bla bla....
I´m outta here  Sad

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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:51 am

Sounds to me that C-boy is a humongus loooser, cant stand Airbus as we all know, bla bla bla bla....
I´m outta here


Will you maintain that attitude if SQ buys 773ERs in bulk and considers swapping their A345s for 772LRs? Just curious thats all...

Of course, everything C-boy say is right and true

Again, just curious, but have you ever said anything meaningful? I mean, ever? It seems like I could track down 1222 short quips about Airbus superiority in the face of blatantly opposing facts....
 
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Thu Jun 03, 2004 12:02 pm

Sounds to me that C-boy is a humongus loooser, cant stand Airbus as we all know, bla bla bla bla....
I´m outta here


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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Thu Jun 03, 2004 12:08 pm

1222 short quips? Woow, somebody´s being working......
So what, as long as we can argue wich "plant" is the best, is that alright with me! Guess its the same for you?
I dont care if SIA swap from A to B, but I will get dissipointed with them!
Airbus superiority?? I never called Airbus superior than Boeing, but I think its a great and bold move of the Europeans to challance the big B and succed!!
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:19 am

cant stand Airbus as we all know

"we"?
...hate to break this to you, but most members here can read the first eight letters of my screen name  Big grin




I dont care if SIA swap from A to B, but I will get dissipointed with them!

...the thought of which I'm sure Dr. Cheong is sh!tting his pants over  Laugh out loud
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:48 am

since when was Concorde called the Airbus A350 Concorde

Solnablo has got a point there, although not very maturely argued. After a simple question was asked you lot have instantly bashed the A340ng's. Even though more are on order/delivered. So what if the A345 was out earlier, so what if the Airbus is cheaper (190m vrs 215m), business is business. If you're sure that you're beloved 777NG's are going to outsell the A340NG's you should sit back with a quiet confidence and laugh louder when/if the time comes.
 
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:50 am


...the thought of which I'm sure Dr. Cheong is sh!tting his pants over


I don't think he will. He's retired if I'm not mistaken.  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:53 am

Dunno.

Guess we'd have to consult Aerospatiale/BAe for that answer... oh wait, they're Airbus now  Yeah sure
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:59 am

Well that's settled then, Concorde is an Airbus aircraft  Nuts . I shall look forward to arguing that next time somebody starts telling me Airbus make inefficient and poor plane, and also that Airbus PR make such a big deal about their products. Such a big deal i couldnt even find Concorde on their website.

[Edited 2004-06-03 18:03:26]
 
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:34 am

Concorde's existance as a de facto Airbus is no different than the 717's as a Boeing

...it's really not that tough of a concept  Big grin
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:41 am

Not really

The Boeing 717 is officially a Boeing plane, Concorde is not officially an Airbus plane.

Simple as that.
 
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:44 am

Aerospatiale/BAe are not part of Airbus......the Airbus part was taken out to form Airbus France and Airbus UK.

Aerospatiale/BAe still remain....
 
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:52 am

Hmmm...

Aerospatiale still remains? I beg to differ  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:06 am

My apologies, EADS.

Point remains above for ConcordeBoy, Concorde was built by the old BAE and old Aerospatiale, with Aerospatiale now owned by EADS. EADS also controls Airbus. No real link to Concorde except through founding companies.
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Fri Jun 04, 2004 6:37 am

ConcordeBoy kind a has a point. Though not quite directly as the 717, Concorde is an Airbus aircraft in a sort of twisted way, if you know what I mean.

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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Fri Jun 04, 2004 7:02 am

No real link to Concorde except through founding companies

...there's also the rather small & minute issue of Airbus providing Concorde's parts/spares/maintenance  Big grin
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Fri Jun 04, 2004 7:26 am

Of course, the Concorde was NOT a Boeing aircraft  Big grin
BTW... I still no find any info about the B777-300ER at Boeing web site.
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Fri Jun 04, 2004 7:28 am

BTW... I still no find any info about the B777-300ER at Boeing web site.

Well then, here you go-

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/flash.html

http://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/aircompat/777.htm

Edit, here's another few Boeing websites-

http://www.newairplane.com/777/wt/usa/default.asp?pg=777



[Edited 2004-06-04 00:31:23]
 
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Fri Jun 04, 2004 7:48 am

Thanks Dfw....
But it's curious... still is the A346 with a higher in max. take off weight (804.700 lb/ 365.000 kg vs 750.000lb/ 340.195 kg) I thought the heaviest plane currently was the 773ER.... anyway... it's the same.This summer I will go to JFK from CDG in the newest AF's plane with a friend of mine who is an AF- emp; but before I will try it with the IB's A346.I promise to be honest and sincere. I'll say my real opinion of both planes.
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Fri Jun 04, 2004 7:55 am

I still no find any info about the B777-300ER at Boeing web site.

I dont see how you could so easily miss it, as (unlike most models featured therein) it has its own sub-section:
http://www.Boeing.com/commercial/777family/rollout




still is the A346 with a higher in max. take off weight

It also has a heavier empty weight... what's your point?




I thought the heaviest plane currently was the 773ER

No, that would be the AN225  Big grin
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Fri Jun 04, 2004 7:12 pm

Let's say pax capacity is exactally the same. What has the LOWEST cost/seat mile? A340-500/B777-200ER. A340-600/B777-300ER. Robert NWDC10
 
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Fri Jun 04, 2004 11:51 pm

There's still plenty of other factors to take into consideration.

And BTW, the A345 competes with the 772LR, not -ER.
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Fri Jun 04, 2004 11:53 pm

Airbus has a separate department that deals with spares/customer support for its founding companies legacy aircraft, for the simple reason that they had nowhere else to put it. This department has approx. 10 aircraft under its responsibility, and assumes all actions relating to these aircraft.

Your point? Does that make it an Airbus aircraft? My local car dealer maintains other brands other than their main dealership.
 
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Sat Jun 05, 2004 12:34 am

C-boy... you know per-fec-tly that AN225 is not a pax. aircraft  Big grin By the way.... Boeing only shows its 773 in technical specifications, no info about the 773ER's.The info showed at Airbus' web-page is very clear with info about all models  Laugh out loud
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:04 am


Boeing only shows its 773 in technical specifications, no info about the 773ER's


They do show 773ER info. It's a few clicks away from the links provided above.
 
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:10 am

I'm sorry, Dyn, but really I can't find the info about B777-300ER in "technical specifications".Are you sure this info is provided at Boeing's web-site?
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:11 am

you know per-fec-tly that AN225 is not a pax. aircraft

quite, but I also know that you didn't specify pax aircraft in your above statement either  Big grin






Boeing only shows its 773 in technical specifications, no info about the 773ER's

Dude. It's NOT that difficult of a concept... it really isn't:


773A technical stats:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/pf/pf_300product.html

772LR & 773ER technical stats:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/pf/pf_lrproduct.html


....if I could find that information in three seconds, I somewhat question why you couldn't with well over a month of effort Laugh out loud
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:25 am

I'm sorry, Dyn, but really I can't find the info about B777-300ER in "technical specifications".Are you sure this info is provided at Boeing's web-site?

Yes it is Boeing data. In fact, simmilar data is provided for all Boeing and MD models-

http://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/aircompat/plan_manuals.html

The .PDFs of the 773ER are a little old (I think October 2001) and do not reflect the specifications at certification. However, they are close enough for what we try to debate.
 
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:30 am

Or something with slightly less details:

click

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/777technical.html

click

technical specs

click

characteristics

then click

-200LR-300ER characteristics
 
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:50 am

OK!!! Thank you very much, friends  Smile Now, I have it
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:58 am

Just want to make a quick note here about Roberta's mentioning that the 717 is an official Boeing a/c...mmm...the 717 comes directly from the work and research done by McDD as the MD-95...as this points out the reason why the 717 is built in Long Beach, so it's not a pure Boeing a/c, just the employees that build them now are receiving checks from Boeing and not from McDD.
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Sat Jun 05, 2004 2:06 am

i was under the impression that BAe still existed as an independent entity...is this not the case?
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Sat Jun 05, 2004 2:14 am

Just want to make a quick note here about Roberta's mentioning that the 717 is an official Boeing a/c...mmm...the 717 comes directly from the work and research done by McDD as the MD-95...as this points out the reason why the 717 is built in Long Beach, so it's not a pure Boeing a/c, just the employees that build them now are receiving checks from Boeing and not from McDD.

The 717 is officially a Boeing plane, no matter who designed it - and incidently Boeing added a lot to the Md-95 themselves.
 
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Sat Jun 05, 2004 12:02 pm


Roberta,
based on your argument, please explain what Boeing has added that McDD had not designed or planned for the aircraft? The people who worked on the design team and the workers that currently are down in Long Beach are former McDD workers...so as to what I had added before, Boeing only inherited the a/c thru the merger, and incidently, to me, that means that the a/c is a McDD jet, only having a Boeing name to it...just as the MD-11 and MD-90 could be Boeing airplanes because Boeing owns the rights to them. If you have some extra information on what Boeing has added to the 717 that had not been designed, planned or written by McDD, then I would love to hear it.
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Sat Jun 05, 2004 12:09 pm

AirxLiban:

They do. In essence, they sold their civil operations to Airbus in exchange for a 20% stake. BAe still exists for military hardware.
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Sat Jun 05, 2004 12:14 pm

Boeing rearchitected 13 major systems on the 717. It ain't your granddad's DC-9 anymore.

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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:16 pm

can anyone make me a list of the carriers that operate both the -600 and -500 and those that will take delivery of them? ( i can only think of VS, SQ, IB, SAA, AC)
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:56 pm

Heres my amateur list from memory

A340-500 operators

Emirates
Singapore

On order: Air Canada (I believe)

A340-600 operators

Iberia
South African
Lufthansa
Virgin Atlantic
China Eastern

On order: I think Thai Airways is on the Airbus A340 order list somewhere
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Sat Jun 05, 2004 3:14 pm

Cathay Pacific also operate the A340-600!

Thai have ordered both the A340-500 and 600.
 
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Sat Jun 05, 2004 3:34 pm

Roberta and Gigneil are right about this. Shortly after the Boeing/MDD merger a design review was done for the MD95/717 to introduce systems/components common to the 737 (the flight management system is one example that comes immediately to mind.).

Even though the a/c may have initially been designed by MDD, it was certified, and is beign sold and serviced as a Boeing aircraft.
 
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Sat Jun 05, 2004 4:00 pm

ConcordeBoy:

A345 remains far ahead of the 772LR in number of units ordered, though it should be noted that the overwhelming majority of those orders were placed when it was the only C-market aircraft available.

The fact remains that the A340-500 was the first ULR in its class. Well done Airbus!


[Edited 2004-06-05 09:01:12]
 
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Sat Jun 05, 2004 4:02 pm

Let's not forget that Airbus' numbers also include aircraft that will never see the light of day:

Aerolineas Argentinas: (6) A340-600's
Air Canada: (2) A340-500's
 
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Sat Jun 05, 2004 4:59 pm

Well, AC will be receiving 2 A345s this summer.
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RE: Questions On The A340-500/600

Sat Jun 05, 2004 10:24 pm

I think it's kind of amusing to see the Concorde/Airbus vs MD95/Boeing argument. Anyhow, I will present one observation that no one has mentioned. While I don't consider Concorde as an Airbus plane, the cross-Channel cooperation arguably established the foundation for the pan-European consortium that came to known as Airbus. In the '60s and '70s, Brits and French were the aviation champions in Europe. Although the British government eventually withdrew support from the original A300, without Britain and France, Airbus would not have the Concorde model to follow. So, the Concorde can be considered as the forefather of Airbus. More than 50% of Airbus shares the same "genes" that gave birth to the Concorde. Boeing might have put in some Boeing "stuff" in the MD95 so they could integrate with their current product line for better marketing, but the 717 still owes much of its heritage to the once great Douglas, and Douglas's final great product, the DC-9.  Wink/being sarcastic