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The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:40 am

What do you think is the next order for NWA?
Anyone think an A-340?
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:46 am

About 426 of those nice things that we call PW JT8D-219s!


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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:50 am

What do you think is the next order for NWA?

A DC-9 replacement!

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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:51 am

More CRJ-440 or 200 more than likely.
 
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:52 am

NWA Management Meeting:

CEO of NWA: The next big order for our airline will be the ........ HOLY $#^@ I DIDNT KNOW WE STILL HAD DC-9's FLYING FOR US!!!..... Hehe  Nuts



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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:55 am

How could NW even consider getting rid of the DC-9? It's a timeless classic!  Big grin Besides, what other running joke could we perpetuate on the forums if they got rid of the DC-9's?
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:58 am

I would hesitate to say that NW would order anymore aircraft for the mainline operation, at least within the next 6 months. I would think that more CRJ's would be ordered if they mainline pilots agree to concessions allowing NW to bring more of them into the fleet. I doubt they will agree to it. Do we have any options on further possible orders for A330's?
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:08 am

I certainly hope they keep there DC-9s as long as possible. I have yet to fly on one but I will someday soon.
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:20 am

I swear to god I'm going to shove a boot up whoever's ass says "a 717 order"  Yeah sure

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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:41 am

Would löööve to see NW with 6 of A346 and 8 of 343XE, DC-9 is looong gone  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
346 instead of 744 / 343XE instead of DC10.
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:44 am

Hey DfwRevolution, THEY ARE GONNA ORDER THE 717. ONE OF THESE DAYS THEY WILL...... JUST YOU WAIT AND SEE..... hehehe!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy  Wink/being sarcastic  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:49 am

346 instead of 744 / 343XE instead of DC10

I don't see that happening at all.

I think NW's future orders will consist of more RJ's (and possibly larger RJ's like the CRJ700) and more A319/A320. In my opinion, I don't think there will be one single, set DC-9 replacement. I think the replacement will be a mix of RJ's and A319's/A320's. The smaller DC-9 markets (intra-Michigan, northern Plains) will see the RJ's (again, possibly CRJ700), and larger markets (like ATL, EWR, DFW, ORD, DCA, etc.) will see the Airbus.



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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:55 am

BTW, you better keep your boots in Texas where they belong! I just had to post this because, well look at my Username and take a BIG guess....

"These boots were made for walking in, and they'll walk all over you"  Big grin

The smaller DC-9 markets (intra-Michigan, northern Plains) will see the RJ's (again, possibly CRJ700), and larger markets (like ATL, EWR, DFW, ORD, DCA, etc.) will see the Airbus.

When I made my first DFW-MSP trip in 2000 it was on a DC9, after summer of 2001, it has been an Airbus every time. As for the other MSP-DUL run that I find myself on, it is a usually a mix of Arvos and DC9s... I don't see why it couldn't be turned over to all RJ ops...
 
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:57 am

Heh, DfwRevolution, not if I grab my steeltoe boots first!  Big grin


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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:59 am

When I made my first DFW-MSP trip in 2000 it was on a DC9, after summer of 2001, it has been an Airbus every time. As for the other MSP-DUL run that I find myself on, it is a usually a mix of Arvos and DC9s... I don't see why it couldn't be turned over to all RJ ops...

That's what I'm saying. (BTW, DFW still has 4 DC-9's to MSP, and 2 to MEM) Routes like MSP-DFW, DTW-DCA, MSP-EWR, etc. will see the Airbus, and routes like MSP-DLH, DTW-TVC, etc. will see the RJ.



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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 12:03 pm

Just add winglets to those great dc-9's!. Robert NWDC10
 
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 12:12 pm

Actually, if it weren't for all the CRJ's,. I'd say that the EMB-170 and EMB-190/195 family had a good chance. While I'd love them to buy the 717, I think the EMB-190 series would be nice. I've always loved 2 X 2 seating, no one stuck in the middle. And it would cover the lower RJ range (the -170) and up into the DC-9 range (the -195), because as we have been told time and time again, its not about what it the enthusiasts want, its all about the bottom line.



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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 12:31 pm

According to AW&ST, at year end 2003 NWA had on order/option A319 (11), A320 (8), A333 (67). The DC-9 fleet is projected to shrink by 5 in 2004 and by 15 in 2005.

FYI, the NWA DC-9-50's actually have one more seat than the A319s (125 vs 124), so the A319 is a natural replacement for the -50s. There were 35 -50s in the fleet at end 2003. The rest of the DC-9 fleet is composed of 100-pax DC9-30s (97 owned/13 leased) and 110-pax DC9-40s (12).
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 12:39 pm

Just out of curiosity why so much speculation on potential orders for airlines (UA, NW) that are barely viable? They will be in no position to order new airplanes for a while.


 
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 12:47 pm

NW will continue to send mainline planes into DLH because they have a maintenence hanger up there. If I'm not mistaken, part of the agreement NW made with the state of MN they have to have so many people employed there.

I personally would love to see NW buy some ERJ170-190s. No more sending little 44 or 50 seaters accross the country. Yeah yeah, its about bottom line, but what ever happened to comfort??? lol, sure those days are probably long gone. And I doubt the ERJs are much more comfortable than CRJ-700s? I don't know, could be worng.

I'd say best guess, CRJs will be the next large order. That and they might convert some of their A330 options into orders. (Will be nice to see those in MSP).
 
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 1:18 pm

"And I doubt the ERJs are much more comfortable than CRJ-700s?"

FYI, the E170 is a more comfortable aircraft than the CRJ-700. In fact, it has wider seats and a wider aisle than the 737 but with no middle seats.

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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 1:43 pm

I tend to agree with N79969. Most of the large US carriers can't afford large orders of new planes. I think there will be more consideration given to updating current planes. UA, Delta, NW, etc. are just trying to survive at this point.
I certainly don't think the US carriers will go out and buy big status symbol new planes such as 773 or 346's or 380's just because airlines like LH or Singapore have them. Hopefully airlines like UA will be in that position again.
Things are just getting nastier with the higher fuel prices in the US.
Would it be cool to see a NW 346? You bet. But, hey, I think the 744 is just as cool. Same goes for UA's 744's.
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 2:20 pm

They might go for the 380's......

And the next big order: 10000 tunas, 20000 cokes etc. etc.  Smile
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 2:51 pm

Ok lemme dream here:

NW places an order for 50 73Gs with options to purchase 50 more.

Now that would be good to replace those D9s.
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 3:09 pm

Rumor has it that it will be Q400s with 69 seats possibly operated by a 3rd Airlink company. Configured with 7 First Class, 62 Coach. Along with that additional A319/20s to replace the DC9 Fleet. Either that or 717s or 777s.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 3:18 pm

A brand new CEO would be nice
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 5:44 pm

B757capt

A comment like yours has been inserted in other forum threads on NW before but whenever other readers ask Why RA should be replaced an answer never seems forthcoming. Please, if you have some proof of fudiciarial misconduct, some blatant lies he has said to stockholders and employees, please let us know. We all need to know if he has stolen money, acted improperly outside the rules of someone who is responsible for not just the employees but the long term existence of the company. We and the board members need to have your proof so we can present it at the next meeting or confront him with it face to face. Show us where he has acted unprofessional when answering questions of bankers, investors, loan officers and underwriters. I beg of you for the companies good, give us your proof and all the facts. Our future may depend on what you know and after a statement like yours it must mean that you are barely keeping all that knowledge inside you. That speaks well of all your traing toward 757 Captain time and proper CRM practices you've learned. I admire your willingness to help the company survive by sharing your knowledge. Please, the floor is yours. But please have specific instances and facts for we will need to back it up. Give us the Ammo we need.


I agree, perhaps he should be much more demanding and threatening when asking for concessions. Everyone would understand the need to keep the industry high (for a Legacy carrier) liquidity we have rather than wait to be on a life line like the others looking at BA or still in it. I'm sure they would. I'm also sure that if he had a much more strident line that investors would be happy. His hopes that employees would just see the industry trends all around and jump onboard that negotiating bandwagon are way off base and too low key. It's silly of him to think many would understand.

And if NW did come out like this thread seems to suggest (?) with a big aircraft order all employees would certainly understand and agree with him that further debt is just what the doctor ordered.

But those are just my suggestions. I'm waiting to hear yours.


[Edited 2004-06-03 10:46:52]
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 5:49 pm

One thing that most likely will happen is that NWA gets some more 744s secondhand, maybe even a handful to convert them to SFs to replace the older quartet of 742Fs which will turn 30 soon.
 
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 6:13 pm

Minutes of the last NW board meeting:

"after years of trying to decide which cities will get Airbus service and which will get RJ's, I have decided to search A.net archived threads about the DC-9"

"any city with an identifier that, when my mouse scrolls over it, does not readily note which airport it is, will from today on get an RJ."

"Avro service will be limited to, those that do appear but I have no idea where the hell they are"

"Airbus cities will be those that everyone on a.net complain should have dedicated 9 service, and/or could support a 10 operation with non-stop service anywhere we fly."

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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 9:46 pm

I think the next big order will be a bunch of DC-9s from Mojave...some old Midway DC-9s or USAir DC-9s??  Big thumbs up
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 9:52 pm

I think we will definitely see a mixture of regional jets and A319's replacing the DC-9's. The 717 is out of the question.

NW will begin to consider the 773ER and the A346 in about 5 years to replace the 742's i reckon. I can see the 744's staying a lot longer though.
 
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:11 pm

B757capt,

I also am waiting by my computer for your detailed report on RA failures as a CEO. I live quite far from MSP and am not always on top of all Northwest info as you are.

As soon as I have the facts you have assembled, I plan to leap into action. Thank you in advance for sharing your knowledge with us.
 
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:33 pm

Bob,
I wouldn't waste your time with this joker. His profile says he's 21-25. I don't know any captains at Northwest or any airline that could be age 25 and in the command of a 757.
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:39 pm

Some one made mention in another thread (which I cannot find now) that NW was looking at the Rakkof Fokker 100 for a joint order with KL and AF. I don't know if its necessarily true but interesting to think about!

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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:46 pm

Placing the RA subplot aside, wouldn't the next aquisition call for 318's to replace the DC-9-10's and 30's? After all, a common type-rating for the 318, 319 and 320 would certainly enhance crew utilization in a most efficient manner.
 
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:15 am

I, for one, would like to see NW place an order of 7E7  Insane
 
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:38 am

I'd love for them to get the 7E7's and open up some new routes, and I think its actually quite likely, but not any time soon. Whoever said that NW would get some second tier 744's and convert them to SFs, I agree wholeheartedly. Actually, the first thing I thought of when I heard about the SF conversions was, "Oh shoot, that means NW will never operate the 747ERF!". I'd love them to buy new, but it doesn't make a lot of sense if you can get them a lot cheaper second hand, and its doesn't really fit what I've seen so far of NW's business model.


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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Fri Jun 04, 2004 6:14 am

In all seriousness I believe that in order for NWA to stay afloat they will keep spending to a minimum and continue the current trend of a few additional A319s as needed. In the current state of commercial aviation can you blame them.
 
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Fri Jun 04, 2004 6:17 am

You want to replace me!?

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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Fri Jun 04, 2004 6:28 am

That's what I'm saying. (BTW, DFW still has 4 DC-9's to MSP, and 2 to MEM) Routes like MSP-DFW, DTW-DCA, MSP-EWR, etc. will see the Airbus, and routes like MSP-DLH, DTW-TVC, etc. will see the RJ.

Is this your opinion? If not, is there any proof to what you say?

Oh yea, DLH will continue to see scheduled Airbus aircraft as they have an Airbus maint. base there.




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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Fri Jun 04, 2004 6:33 am

How about A318's with P&W's?
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Fri Jun 04, 2004 6:34 am

Bring back the concorde...how sweet to see NW colors on one of those beauties  Big thumbs up
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Fri Jun 04, 2004 7:57 am

I am surprised there weren't more DC9 jokes! I think the future makeup for NW will continue to be what you see today (A333,A332,A319,A320 and rj). No real replacements anytime soon. Sure eventually, you might see something for (long haul - less seats), but that is either predatory information or just gossip at this point. As far as a "new CEO" - please don't post such stupid remarks. You clearly don't work for NW, so we don't need your input.
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:55 am

My guess is that movement will come from the 67 330s left on paper. I doubt if all are confirmed versus option. Does anyone have the numbers (I miss IP wherever he went) I'd bet an attempt will be made to change options from the 330 to 320/19. Statements from NW have already been made as to why no 318s but things change. The price of fuel has to be making the -9s harder to justify. But again, we do not have the figures comparing new aircraft costs versus fuel. It sure would be interesting to see. I'd suspect noise abatement rules may even proceed fuel usage as a -9 slayer.

With the major Legacies unable to profit with an 80% plus Load Factor and the LCCs raking it in (albeit without the Legacies long term financial baggage) with 70% LFs not too many financial institutes would be willing to extend a hand to those older companies. The carriers that have made big acft purchases recently are the very ones with the Bankruptcy problems. NW is not one to mess with that. They understand the good with the bad on those rulings.
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Fri Jun 04, 2004 10:25 am

After flying in one.... I hope ERJ-170/190's. Man... What a ride.
 
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:12 pm

M404

There are 10 A330-200 and 22 A330-300 confirmed.

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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Fri Jun 04, 2004 6:44 pm

If P&W can make more efficient engines and Airbus improves the A340-500 to make it lighter etc, I seriousely would love to see NWA purchase A340-500's to replace their 747-400's. The way airlines are parking 747's, this should tell you something. I think the A340's will fly longer but eventually be replaced with new a/c unless Airbus improves the A340 and adds the same engines that will be on the 7E7. (if this is possible/reality). Now that would be cool to see. And that right there will be "two" a/c that will really compete against each other. (A340-500/600-7E7). NWA will probably lean on airbus cause of the same cominality of all their Airbuses. I wouldn't be suprised if NW is an ALL Airbus airline, replacing the DC-9's with the A318/19. They won't even look at the 717 since it doesn't "fit in" with their Airbuses. I think that NW would love to see economy pick up and fuel prices lowered substantially so they can use their regionals to build up future markets and then replace those "built up markets" with A318/19 a/c. They would definitely keep the CRJ's to "spread their wings". When the regionals are replaced by A318/19's, just shift the regionals to new markets and then build those up. Robert NWDC10 "DEFINITELY AN NWA LOVER!!!!"
 
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Fri Jun 04, 2004 9:52 pm

IVO,
The official confirmed order is for 10 A332, and 14, A333= 24 total.
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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Fri Jun 04, 2004 10:09 pm

NWA's next big order:

Will be whatever fits the airline in the best way possible with the highest financial returns on investments. NWA has always been financially conservative and will most likely, in this new world arena of flying, continue to do so.

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RE: The Next Big Order For NWA

Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:09 am

I really would not get worked up about the next aircraft from NW or any carrier.
Unless the price of fuel drops, all the cash reserves are to be earmarked for fuel. This fuel problem better get solved within 60 days or there is going to be a hell of lot of trucklines and airlines go down the tube. None of them will be turning a dollar this month.
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