sccutler
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Bad Weather, Great Controllers, DFW

Thu Jun 03, 2004 12:54 pm

All kinds of bad weather in North Texas- storms, gusts, drama. Traffic at DFW backed up badly by complete shutdown for the first big wave of T-storms. A break in the storms, with more on their way, and DFW's controllers are doing what can only be described as heroic work in getting departures out, and safely.

They are earning their keep tonight!

Good folks in the towers, at departure and in center.
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atrude777
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RE: Bad Weather, Great Controllers, DFW

Thu Jun 03, 2004 1:16 pm

im supossed to be flying thru DFW with AA from STL to OKC, around 4:00pm to 7:30pm friday the 4th of june. supossed to be storms in the area. i hope i dont get caught in the mess, any diverts for tonite? well glad to see the ATC people and pilots are handling it well.
Alex
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Vorticity
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RE: Bad Weather, Great Controllers, DFW

Thu Jun 03, 2004 2:15 pm

I was nervous, good friend of mine was flying through DFW on memorial day. There were tornados and other severe storms in their way around the Dallas area. They made it through safely and without delays, I was impressed and relived  Big thumbs up
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A340Spotter
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RE: Bad Weather, Great Controllers, DFW

Thu Jun 03, 2004 4:40 pm

Alex,

Good amount of diverts tonight at DFW...CO had one, EWR-DFW ended up at IAH (I was working it)...AA had at least 6 end up at TUL alone. DL had at least 3...

JSD
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airstatdfw
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RE: Bad Weather, Great Controllers, DFW

Thu Jun 03, 2004 7:55 pm

The Controllers did a great job last night during all the mess with an aborted take off which brought out the trucks on an AA 767. With everything going on they still were getting planes out and a few in. The last diversions landed around 315L. Well lets see if we can have round 3 tonight, Thunderstorms in the forecast again this evening.

AirStatDFW
 
atrude777
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RE: Bad Weather, Great Controllers, DFW

Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:11 pm

Hey thanks for the diverted info-A340SPOTTER. I am curious to know when a flight is diverted, do they fly back to DFW when its safe? or is that it for the night and people have to find hotels in that diverted city? Because in the evnt im divrted to say TUL and OKC is my destination, since TUL is only an hour drive from OKC am i allowed to leave the plane and just have my cousin pick me up in TUL or do I HAVE to stay with the plane? Since I still have to make a connection in DFW to catch my flight to OKC. I am curious as to how diverts work under weather conditions. I am not too worried about it but i just wanna be prepared. I dont mind a divert, i love the drama and such just making sure tho that i actually DO get to go to OKC, haha.
Alex
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flyingbronco05
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RE: Bad Weather, Great Controllers, DFW

Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:15 pm

are doing what can only be described as heroic work in getting departures out, and safely.

I'm sorry but there is nothing heroic about that. They are doing their jobs. Amazing, yes. Heroic, no.
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OPNLguy
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RE: Bad Weather, Great Controllers, DFW

Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:32 pm

>>>I am curious to know when a flight is diverted, do they fly back to DFW when its safe? or is that it for the night and people have to find hotels in that diverted city?

Generally speaking, a diversion involving thunderstorms is a "gas-and-go" back to the originally-intended destination (as soon as the weather moves and ATC permits).

You're more likely to see alternative transportation and hotel accomodations involved when the diversion was due to the airport going (and staying) below landing minimums in fog. Ditto for any snow/ice and resultant degraded braking actions (and crosswinds out of limits) making the airport untenable until the runways get plowed/treated and/or the winds subside and come back into limits.
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ScottB
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RE: Bad Weather, Great Controllers, DFW

Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:57 am

"I am curious to know when a flight is diverted, do they fly back to DFW when its safe? or is that it for the night and people have to find hotels in that diverted city?"

It all depends on the situation. Generally the airline is going to need that aircraft at the hub, so they'll wait and complete the flight if possible. But crew or mechanical problems (or very lengthy weather problems, like heavy snow or fog) can make that impossible.

I actually got caught by DFW's weather problems on Thursday, as I was connecting at DFW to IAH on Delta Thursday evening. We diverted to OKC after holding for about an hour. It took about 15 or 20 minutes to get us a gate, and we sat there for about two hours (from 2100 to 2300) until they could get us cleared to go to DFW, and we arrived around midnight. By the time we arrived, my also-delayed (from 2130) flight to IAH had departed (at about 0005), but I was lucky enough to be able to catch the delayed (from 2115) ASA flight to HOU, which departed around 0030.

We actually picked up passengers from a DL OAK-DFW flight which had diverted to OKC as well; my guess is that their flight did not continue to DFW because their crew would have gone illegal. The aircraft for our flight continued on to SAN (well after midnight), though under a different flight number. There were a lot of diversions on the ground at OKC when we landed. I just wish we had diverted to IAH instead!
 
SonOfACaptain
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RE: Bad Weather, Great Controllers, DFW

Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:19 am

Yeah, I would have to agree. I just came in here last night on a US 733 from PIT. We stayed up in the air for a very long time before we finally got cleared in. But that was all worth it because it was the most spectacular landing I have ever been in. The lights from the city plus lightning all around us, and when I say that I mean everywhere except below us. So I was amazed of how we avoided the storms. The ATC and flight crews did in amazing job.

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