kbuf737
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Can Wholly Owned Subsidies Change Planes?

Thu Jun 03, 2004 2:51 pm

Say for instance a Comair Flight had to be cxld due to mx unless another RJ could be flown in. Say ASA had an RJ sitting around that they could send that way, because both airlines are owned by Delta do they fly eachothers routes, or are they two completely different entities. I guess the same could be said for Song and the normal 757, or with Ted and UAL? Even at US, what if one regional carrier needed a B1900 and the only one available at that time was for a different carrier, could the dispatcher send the other airlines plane to that route or not, considering it is all under the same parent carrier?
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ATL2CDG
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RE: Can Wholly Owned Subsidies Change Planes?

Thu Jun 03, 2004 3:00 pm

KBUF737:

You pose an outstanding question! Please allow me to attempt to address it as best I can.

In your first example with OH and EV: an EV crew and aircraft could operate an 'extra section' in the place of the OH flight. However, the OH crew could NOT operate the EV aircraft; EV and OH operate under separate certificates, and as such, the crews and aircraft of the two airlines are not interchangeable.

In your next example with DL and 'Song' and United and 'Ted', crews and aircraft could be interchanged as necessary. 'Song' operates under the DL certificate and is manned with DL crews (pilots are mainline and can go back and forth, however the flight attendants are singularly with either mainline or 'Song' and are not interchangeable. Likewise, 'Ted' operates under the UA certificate (however, I am not familiar with the crew workings for the two).

In your last example: yes, as above with EV and OH, an extra section could be flown by the second carrier which has the additional aircraft, but the crew with original carrier could not man the second company's aircraft.
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kbuf737
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RE: Can Wholly Owned Subsidies Change Planes?

Thu Jun 03, 2004 3:05 pm

ATL2CDG - Thanks, I thought I had one that would really have stumped somebody, I had no idea what airlines do in this situation, but what really made me wonder was the ASA RJ in BUF today, Comair operates all DL flights to BUF from both CVG and ATL, so unless there was a schedule change that I have not noticed, ASA and Comair must have done this. Thanks for your answer and welcome to my respected users list for your great answer.

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SHUPirate1
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RE: Can Wholly Owned Subsidies Change Planes?

Thu Jun 03, 2004 3:18 pm

What if, say, Chautauqua needed an ERJ-145 for a US Airways Express flight, and the only plane that was available was one that was designated for a Delta Connection flight?
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ATL2CDG
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RE: Can Wholly Owned Subsidies Change Planes?

Thu Jun 03, 2004 3:37 pm

SHUPirate1:

Another excellent question posed!

In that case, it would depend upon internal company policy and conditions of the carrier's contract with the two 'legacy carriers'. To my knowledge, RP crews are cross trained to be able to work between their various commitments. However, the 'legacy carriers' would surely object to a flight being operated in an aircraft equipped and labeled for a competitor.

Typically, carriers such as RP who operate for multiple carriers have sufficient equipment so that the situation above would not occur. However, that being said, were the situation to happen, it would ultimately be a question of what the contract says and just how badly the 'legacy carrier' wanted the flight to be operated.
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