Londoncenter
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Huge Virgin Delay At MCO

Mon Jun 07, 2004 3:05 am

I just found out that flight VS076 between MCO and MAN scheduled for arrival at MAN yesterday at 0725 is actually only estimated to arrive at 2100 TONIGHT!!! Has anybody any idea the reasons behind this or what may cause such large delays?

Has anybody ever had a longer delay? This one departed a whopping 38hrs late!!!
 
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RE: Huge Virgin Delay At MCO

Mon Jun 07, 2004 3:10 am

As they use the tatty old 742s from MAN it is highly likely to be a delay due to the aircraft going tech.
 
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RE: Huge Virgin Delay At MCO

Mon Jun 07, 2004 3:22 am

The aircraft was diverted on arrival to MCO to Tampa, due to bad weather in the central Florida area. What happened from there is unknown as the weather was suitable for flying soon after. It is believed that the crew timed out at TPA and so they had to wait the minimum crew rest time of 12hrs before flying the aircraft to MCO, and i believe they couldn't fly it there until the afternoon due to slots and gate usage.

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RE: Huge Virgin Delay At MCO

Mon Jun 07, 2004 3:25 am

I'd say it's about time we saw the back of the VS 747-200 at MAN now (in fact, is it just G-VBEE, or is there another one?) Give us an A340-600! Big grin

I flew from T2 a few times last year, and there were two VS 747-200s there, one at the gate and one on a remote stand. I thought they only had one based at MAN. As I understand, G-VBEE is an ex-Air New Zealand aircraft and was owned by Virgin for a short time before being sold and leased back from Air Atlanta (with at TF- registration), and now has been re-registered G-VBEE but is still operated by Air Atlanta flight crew. Is this correct?

Also, if G-VBEE is the only aircraft VS have based at MAN and it has a massive delay, what happens to the following flight? As far as I knew, it comes in at 0725 then leaves about 3hrs later on another MCO round trip. A 38 hour delay with one highly-used aircraft is a hell of a backlog to catch up. Once, one of my work colleagues and her family were stuck at MCO and were told they would be put in hotels due to their VS flight breaking down in Manchester, but the delay was eventually only(!) 6 hours as the flight was operated by another 747-200 of Air Atlanta. Is this normal procedure, or will there come a point where VS just has to cancel the flight completely? And if so, do some passengers get shuttled to LHR or LGW and put on another Virgin flight?

[Edited 2004-06-06 20:26:43]
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RE: Huge Virgin Delay At MCO

Mon Jun 07, 2004 3:26 am

Is it the day after tomorrow yet with the adverse weather? What happened to the flight / the US?
 
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RE: Huge Virgin Delay At MCO

Mon Jun 07, 2004 4:16 am

I was at MAN last week and there was a 2nd 742 parked at a remote stand outside T2. From what I've been told by family in the area it is an almost permanent fixture at the airport. Does anyone know what this aircraft is for? Is there any chance it is backup for maintenance checks and unforeseen events as above?
 
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RE: Huge Virgin Delay At MCO

Mon Jun 07, 2004 4:34 am

Hi,

Planesarecool is correct. The aircraft diverted to TPA on the outbound leg due to heavy thunderstorm activity in the Orlando area. The crew subsequently went out of hours which accounts for the rest of the delay.

I know a lot of people will disagree but I would rather fly to MCO on one of the B742's than the B744's that normally operate from LGW to MCO. They are certainly not tatty as was stated above and have far superior IFE and seat comfort (with the possible exception of Premium economy) Than the LGW based B744's.

In terms of reliability I am pretty sure the dispatch reliability is not far off that of the A346 fleet, which also have their share of problems.

To answer another question there are two B742's based at MAN. G-VBEE and G-VSSS. There is only 6 flights a week to MCO so one is always a spare. They were both recently re-registered back to their original VS registrations after a spell of being known as TF-ATW, and TF-ATN. I believe this is because they are now registered under air atlanta's european outfit, and thay are still technically leased by VS.

Hope this clears up some of the questions  Smile

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RE: Huge Virgin Delay At MCO

Mon Jun 07, 2004 4:41 am


G-VSSS has usually been the one on the route (and arrived this morning as the VS76). I presume G-VBEE operated yesterday's VS75 and is due to land in about 10 to 15 minutes as VS76A.

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RE: Huge Virgin Delay At MCO

Mon Jun 07, 2004 6:17 am

With the WX we had here in MCO yesterday the a/c diverted to TPA for fuel and before the plane could depart the crew "pumpkined" out. So to make sure the rest is there they had cancelled the flight. Actually tho what could have happened the outbound crew could have picked up the a/c in TPA and ferried it to MCO. And the delay would not have been as bad as a 37 hour delay.


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RE: Huge Virgin Delay At MCO

Mon Jun 07, 2004 6:19 am

I am very surprised at the amount of flight from Great Britain to Cental Florida!
Off the top of my head I can count about 25 weekly flights between Orlando and London/Manchester. I can remember last Sunday at MCO there were 4 VS tails and 1 BA tail all at the north terminal.

Even more, the flights are all operated by large aircraft, 777/744/742. How are the load factors on these flights? Are these flight mostly carrying British passengers? Or do these flight cater to the rest of Europe that comes to the attractions in Central Florida?
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RE: Huge Virgin Delay At MCO

Mon Jun 07, 2004 6:28 am

Mainly high capacity a/c are sent to MCO and TPA. The flights are pretty much filled with Brits on holiday and a few from other nations throughout the EU and other parts of the world.



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RE: Huge Virgin Delay At MCO

Mon Jun 07, 2004 6:34 am

I am very surprised at the amount of flight from Great Britain to Cental Florida!
Off the top of my head I can count about 25 weekly flights between Orlando and London/Manchester.


Don't forget the huge amount of seats travelling with the charter carriers to Sanford. Flights operate at least once a week on a regular basis from LGW, MAN, GLA, BHX and NCL.

The Orlando area attractions, the beaches on the coast, the cruise market and the weak dollar (and strong Euro) this year are likely to mean very high visitor figures this summer.

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RE: Huge Virgin Delay At MCO

Mon Jun 07, 2004 7:58 am

I don't know if this factored into the crew timing out, but I was in Tampa when the aircraft was there; while we taxied out for departure the VS 747-200 was repositioning from a remote stand and the pilots were calling for medical assistance on the ground control frequency, seemed a couple of passengers had become quite ill. This was around 7:15 pm, friday.
 
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RE: Huge Virgin Delay At MCO

Mon Jun 07, 2004 8:12 am

On Friday, 4 June, the VS 747 flew overhead approx 4:50 pm EST. On Saturday, 5 June, I drove past TPA approx 3:15 pm EST. The A/C was sitting on the cargo ramp north of the main terminal. If the crew was doing an overnight in TPA, wouldn't they get up the following am and fly to MCO or were they bused to MCO to await their A/C for their return trip. Now it is Sunday and I have no clue of the A/C is still in TPA or possibly airborne on its return flight home.

I will say this, would love to see VS flying into TPA with either the 747 or an Airbus 340.
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RE: Huge Virgin Delay At MCO

Mon Jun 07, 2004 9:55 am

I noticed the 747 by cargo about 11a.m. Saturday. When I asked about it ASIG (support) sups said that it had to sit on the ramp for 2 hours before customs could get set up to deplane the passengers. A couple of passengers did become ill but nothing to bad. It was gone when I left work at 6p.m.
 
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RE: Huge Virgin Delay At MCO

Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:08 pm

I work at ASIG at TPA and had the 'honor' of ground handling the VS 747. When she arrived we had to park her at the cargo ramp because our only wide body US Customs gate was occupied by a BA 777 (G-VIIO). The flight crew had waited till we had fueled their aircraft to decide that they had timed out. Most diverted international flights give us their time limits but I guess these guys weren't too eager to leave. They sat out at the cargo ramp for over an hour till BA pushed back. After getting parked and going through Customs, all 402 pax were bussed to Orlando only after being stuck in TPA for 4 hours. As far as the medical emergency, no one knew the details of the incident since Customs hadn't cleared the aircraft yet. One final note, I noticed by the forward cabin door that the aircraft was operated by Air Atlanta. That would explain the shoddy paintover of the nose gear door registration.
 
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RE: Huge Virgin Delay At MCO

Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:30 pm

You did not know that the 742's have been long out of service. The MAN flite has been operated by Air Atlanta Icelandic for years.



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RE: Huge Virgin Delay At MCO

Mon Jun 07, 2004 7:40 pm

I don't have the full story but one of the contributing factors to the crew having to call it a day in TPA was that they were already 2hrs late having had technical problems before departure in MAN.

It was decided to just delay one lot of returning pax, so Saturday's VS76 pax came back as planned but Friday's lot were delayed until Sunday, hence the large delay. The theory is that this way you only p!ss one lot of pax off! I don't think those ones that had been delayed for 38hrs would see it that way though!!  Pissed  Crying  Nuts
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RE: Huge Virgin Delay At MCO

Mon Jun 07, 2004 8:27 pm

As a frequent LGW-MCO flyer(silver almost goldcard) I was much happier with the 744's, but for a 'young & modern' airline why must they operate old run down 742's???

Get a new 744 or an A346 Virgin!!!
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RE: Huge Virgin Delay At MCO

Mon Jun 07, 2004 9:07 pm

G-VSSS operated yesterdays flight.

There are 2 based at Manchester. They'll just use the other to getback on schedule.


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RE: Huge Virgin Delay At MCO

Mon Jun 07, 2004 9:34 pm

"Get a new 744 or an A346 Virgin!!!" - yeah, just nip down to Tesco's, wave the Clubcard at them to get yer loyalty points (should get a few there), then everybody's happy!  Wink/being sarcastic

I guess the reason why the outbound crew couldn't ferry it from Tampa *and* do the return flight back to the UK was again because of hours. Call it a couple of hours on the ground at Tampa, plus flight time (1/2 hour?), refuel, load, paperwork, 9 hour flight back, maybe too long for one crew.

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RE: Huge Virgin Delay At MCO

Mon Jun 07, 2004 9:45 pm

Virgin will be using a 747-400 on additional saturday MAN flights to MCO. I can't remember when this is supposed to start though. I hope MAN finally see's the back of the -200's and VS replace it with a -400 or A340 permanently.

Whats the whole story behind the "operated by Air Atlanta" thing? Did they take on some of the old VS crew? Why can't it just be operated by Virgin Atlantic completely with their own aircraft?

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RE: Huge Virgin Delay At MCO

Tue Jun 08, 2004 12:07 am

Well you can expect a lot of Virgin delays in the summer at MCO. All of the Virgin flights arrive during the peak thunderstorm hours of Central Florida which is between 2pm-6pm daily.
 
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RE: Huge Virgin Delay At MCO

Tue Jun 08, 2004 7:48 am

I hope MAN finally see's the back of the -200's and VS replace it with a -400 or A340 permanently.


The original service was launched with an A340-300 in 1999 or 1998. My mind if blank for the next couple of years but i remember it beinga summer only service for a year or 2 and I also remember VS upgraded it to a 742. But the VS got rid of the 742's. Maybe they offloaded them to Air Atlanta cheaply if Air Atlanta kept on the service?


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RE: Huge Virgin Delay At MCO

Tue Jun 08, 2004 8:10 am

Virgin's MAN-MCO started May 1996 with an A340.

At fairly short notice the route was switched to a Martinair 767-300 in September 1996, as Virgin had been awarded rights to serve South Africa and the Manchester A340 was required for those flights. The route continued over the winter 1996/7 season with the Martinair aircraft.

From May 1997 the route has operated summer-only with Virgin 747-200s, and more recently Air Atlanta/Virgin aircraft...

Last winter has been the first time the route has been year-round since 1996.

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RE: Huge Virgin Delay At MCO

Tue Jun 08, 2004 3:23 pm

Crosswind your right it did start in 1996.

Dunno how I managed to put the wrong date down, especially when I have a photo of it from Aug 1996 that I took from the gate area while waiting to get on AA55.


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