ghost77
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AeroMar New Routes

Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:51 am

Tomorrow Monday VW will start:
PBC-VSA-PAZ

Next July 1st VW will start:
GDL-VER

Next November VW will start:
MLM-GDL-SJD

And in the next months they intend to open:
NLD and PVR.

They wanted to fly PAZ-CME (a famous 'puente aereo' for PEMEX) but it's already flown by Aero Davinci with MetroIII.

Next June 7th the MTY-PBC-MEx-PBC-MTY will now be flown MTY-PBC-MTY.

*PBC - Puebla
*VSA - Villahermosa
*VER - Veracruz
*MLM - Morelia
*SJD - Los Cabos
*NLD - Nuevo Laredo
*PAZ - Poza Rica

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RE: AeroMar New Routes

Mon Jun 07, 2004 6:05 am

For everybody's information, CME is the code for Ciudad del Carmen's airport.
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RE: AeroMar New Routes

Mon Jun 07, 2004 6:21 am

WOW!!! Guadalajara-Veracruz sounds really interesting, two very important business cities in Mexico still without any direct link until now!

Great idea for VW, for sure a success!
Can't wait to see the New Barajas ready
 
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RE: AeroMar New Routes

Mon Jun 07, 2004 9:53 am

Yep, no doubt it's one of the strongest regional airlines in Mexico. Their new routes seem logical! They should be upgraded to national airline!

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RE: AeroMar New Routes

Tue Jun 08, 2004 3:11 am

Welkenrider, absolutely right, first link from GDL-VER amaaazing!

Agree with Leo, AeroMar should now be upgraded to 'national', now the only thing they are missing are those regional jets! If Aerolitoral enters MEx I don't know for how long VW will be able to compete with 5D!

Just as an extra info TAO its getting 5 more ATRs.

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RE: AeroMar New Routes

Tue Jun 08, 2004 3:40 am

Good news from VW.
The PEMEX puente aereo was served time ago from CME-TAM with QA, but again, lack of passengers, so the flight got cancelled.
Aerodavinci started in REX (Reynosa), they fly REX-CME-VER (against 5D on those routes).
But recently they cancelled ops in TAM.
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RE: AeroMar New Routes

Thu Jun 10, 2004 7:39 am

N405MX,

According to AeroDavinci's timetable from May 2004 they still fly to TAM. Routing REX-TAM-VER-CME and TAM-VER-VSA. Recently, you mean June 04?!

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RE: AeroMar New Routes

Sun Jun 13, 2004 3:20 pm

I have some recent info of what's going on with VW. Just wanted to let you know that AeroMar is finally getting jets pretty soon! I can't say more for now! Perhaps someone else already knows something. But at least I can't reveal more info! Later when possible I'll do!

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RE: AeroMar New Routes

Mon Jun 14, 2004 6:45 am

Good but predictable news....

A little research and study of VW's organization reveal the following known facts which narrows down the list to ERJs, CRJs, Do-328JET, F100/F70 and 717 (the last three with lesser chances over the highly specialized Regional Jets):

Route system (lenght, characteristics).
Performance specs out of Mexico City.
Performance specs out of system's airports (short, often poorly prepared fields).
Average occupancy.
Market tendency.
VW's financial situation.

About when they will get them, that is indeed a more complicated question. Hopefully soon in order to minimize the loss of traffic on those routes that Aerolitoral and other feeders (both domestic and International) are gaining. Surely not in the short term (not before two months) as crew, dispatch and and maintenance training takes some time (unless they are currently being given). Interesting is to mention that VW recently applied admission tests for new pilots, which leads to think they are already working on training matters for the new type of aircraft.

Who knows?
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RE: AeroMar New Routes

Mon Jun 14, 2004 11:22 am

Just wanted to let you know that AeroMar is finally getting jets pretty soon!

I hope so. I also heard that Aeromar was considering the ERJ 170 and that it was in advanced talks with Embraer
 
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RE: AeroMar New Routes

Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:10 pm

It would be awesome to see ERJ-170's in VW colors. I hope they go for the Embraers.

By the way, is there any chance that we will ever see ERJ-190's in the fleet of a Mexican carrier? Is the 190 suited for the hot&high conditions of most Mexican airports?
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RE: AeroMar New Routes

Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:12 pm

Ok I'll give a little more clues. In fact there are high possibilities of getting 2 different types.

About when they will get them, that is indeed a more complicated question.

The one that is already confirmed will be in service in 2/3 months. The other type not confirmed could get here in the last months of the year... Nov/Dec. Precisely this last aircraft type is the one that VW still is in talks with the manufacturer.

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RE: AeroMar New Routes

Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:35 pm

Damn teaser!!! Just kidding.

Hopefully it is Embraers. By the way, Ghost and others, please let us know more info as you receive it (or become allowed to disclose it).
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RE: AeroMar New Routes

Fri Jun 18, 2004 12:23 pm

Hopefully it is Embraers. By the way, Ghost and others, please let us know more info as you receive it (or become allowed to disclose it).

Time to disclose the information....

2 ex. Mexicana Fokkers 100 are due for AeroMar. CINTRA's administration counsel has approved this movement.

They'll use it on routes with VW-MX/AM codeshare.

Which are: ZLO, ZIH, ZCL, CPE, DGO. Perhaps Im missing more cities just add them!

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RE: AeroMar New Routes

Fri Jun 18, 2004 12:31 pm



While it's good to see VW adding more capacity and operating a jet, it's somewhat disappointing to see them flying a F100.

I was expecting something newer (Embraer or Canadair).

Don't you think it's too big a jump in capacity from their ATR 42's to A Fokker 100?
 
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RE: AeroMar New Routes

Sat Jun 19, 2004 2:26 am

I don't think F100's are a good idea. It's a complete departure from VWs bussiness plan. As of today they've operated a single type fleet of ATRs, owned and bought directly from the manufacturer. This whole F100 idea makes them look as Cintra's dump.
 
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RE: AeroMar New Routes

Sat Jun 19, 2004 2:49 am

Isn't it a coincidence that Mr Emilio Romano (mx Ceo) was on the board of VW. And now they are getting MX'S ex F100's?.........is Cintra going to absorb Aeromar or maybe AeroCaribe and Aeromar will merge?...that would be formidable competition for AeroLitoral.
 
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RE: AeroMar New Routes

Sat Jun 19, 2004 3:13 am

<< I don't think F100's are a good idea. It's a complete departure from VWs bussiness plan. As of today they've operated a single type fleet of ATRs, owned and bought directly from the manufacturer. This whole F100 idea makes them look as Cintra's dump. >>: AM744

I agree with the "CINTRA's dump" perception, albeit adding jets to 6A for the time being will also have possitive marketing and psychological effects, which will be an upside.

It is necessary to consider 6A hasn't placed any firm orders with neither Canadair nor Embraer. Neither maker has got spareaircrafts ready to deliver.
As per a recent issue AvionRevue magazine, Embraer has got a considerable que of orders for its E170 and E190 models. This means that it would take a while even to start building the new aircrafts for A6 when these were finally ordered... - which makes the F100 option even more feasible as a temporary solution.

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RE: AeroMar New Routes

Sat Jun 19, 2004 3:43 am

While it's good to see VW adding more capacity and operating a jet, it's somewhat disappointing to see them flying a F100.

All routes who'll be flown with F100 from VW are routes with MX or AM codeshare. MX and AM fill almost all their planes on those routes. In my parent's travel agency let me tell you that you can't imagine how many people complain of AeroMar's loud and slow planes and Terminal II and all the bus rides from West side to East and East to West at MEx... this is not very comfortable to FF pax. Add to that the new routes... like GDL-VER in ATR42 its insane!!!

More over VW got a lot of charter flights. Two weeks ago they had to fly 900pax from MEx to CTM and TGZ! Just imagine moving 900 pax with ATRs with 48 pax capacity.

I was expecting something newer (Embraer or Canadair).

VW is in talks with EMB for 135/145/170.

Don't you think it's too big a jump in capacity from their ATR 42's to A Fokker 100?

Nope I don't think so. They are jumping from 50pax in their ATR's to 100 in the F100... Surinam Airways jumped from 150pax (M80) to a 400pax aircraft (B743...)!!!

This whole F100 idea makes them look as Cintra's dump.

AeroMar has always been in CINTRA's monopoly team. The 80% CINTRA control of the market number has always included AeroMar. VW since the beginning has had VERY close relation with MX/AM/QA for years! Pilots also belong to ASPA. This is nothing new...

Isn't it a coincidence that Mr Emilio Romano (mx Ceo) was on the board of VW. And now they are getting MX'S ex F100's?.........is Cintra going to absorb Aeromar or maybe AeroCaribe and Aeromar will merge?...

Wow Romano flying in VW! That's new. I've been told that it's flying a lot in MX flights and checking everything goes well but didn't knew about him flying in VW. Perhaps routes with MX codeshare.

I don't think CINTRA got plans to get VW. Perhaps MX intends to get QA and VW. Indeed things are strange! Now we will have QA and VW with F100s.

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RE: AeroMar New Routes

Sat Jun 19, 2004 4:22 am

>They are jumping from 50pax in their ATR's to 100 in the F100... Surinam Airways jumped from 150pax (M80) to a 400pax aircraft (B743...)!!! <

Yes, but are they using their 747 on the same routes where they were using their MD-80?

>All routes who'll be flown with F100 from VW are routes with MX or AM codeshare. MX and AM fill almost all their planes on those routes<

I thought the routes codeshared by AM and MX on Aeromar metal were flown with Aeromar metal precisely because they had enough traffic for an ATR, but too little traffic for one of their mainline aircraft.

Or are these VW F-100 going to be used on all-new routes?
 
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RE: AeroMar New Routes

Sat Jun 19, 2004 9:50 am

Given the size of Mexico, it was high time AeroMar got jets. Maybe the F-100 is a questionable choice, but at least it is a relatively new plane and it is cheap. There is also the knowhow already in place for maintenance and for pilot training. I don´t understand why Ghost mentions passengers complain about flying in the ATR-42. It´s a nice, exciting ride. You get to actually feel the lateral acceleration when the crew is using the rudder, a sensation that is almost non-existent these days. If it weren´t for the flight-time, I would prefer and ATR-42 over a regional jet anytime.
 
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RE: AeroMar New Routes

Sun Jun 20, 2004 5:33 am

Just a question:
MX operates 10 F100, while QA operate 9 DC-9's, so, with 2 less F100's for VW, we have 8 remaining. Aerocaribe would have to operate both DC-9 and F100 or let MX to take some of their routes.

I agree that getting F100's is a vary bad idea... MX is taking them out for obvious reasons, they are presenting some problems and that would make VW to get a bad image... I'd go for the B717, if the problem is that there are not ERJ's or Canadaairs' aivable.

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RE: AeroMar New Routes

Tue Jun 22, 2004 8:32 am

Yes, but are they using their 747 on the same routes where they were using their MD-80?

Nope but still is a good example of how other airlines increase their offer. Indeed Surinam's movement I consider it very aggressive!

I thought the routes codeshared by AM and MX on Aeromar metal were flown with Aeromar metal precisely because they had enough traffic for an ATR, but too little traffic for one of their mainline aircraft.

Ironically all those routes flown by VW go always full out of MX), Mexico">MEX with 50pax (usually from Thur to Sunday)... so maybe VW along with MX and AM are considering that it is time for VW to increase the offer. More over looks like a deal for 3 EMB170 is about to be closed.

AeroMar is finally growing! For 15 years they only grew their fleet to 13 aircraft. Now 2 ATR's -500 are on their way to MX), Mexico">MEX....

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2 ex. MX F100 and possible 3 new EMB170 at the end of the year and probably more planes in the future! I think this are excellent news!

I don´t understand why Ghost mentions passengers complain about flying in the ATR-42. It´s a nice, exciting ride. You get to actually feel the lateral acceleration when the crew is using the rudder, a sensation that is almost non-existent these days. If it weren't for the flight-time, I would prefer and ATR-42 over a regional jet anytime.

What most pax say... its noisy, the looong flight-time and going from Terminal I to Terminal II @ MX), Mexico">MEX in a 15-20 min bus ride and viceversa.

MX operates 10 F100, while QA operate 9 DC-9's, so, with 2 less F100's for VW, we have 8 remaining. Aerocaribe would have to operate both DC-9 and F100 or let MX to take some of their routes.

So far I've heard from the last rumors that from the current 10 MX F100s, looks like the last two PH-registered will be returned. All other XA-s which are 8, will stay in VW and QA. 2 will go to VW and other 6 to AeroCaribe. QA currently flies 9 Dc9s. So airline will be resized to 6 jets and MX will take some routes. More over the Puentes Aereos made once with Cessna Caravan 208 and Fokker 27 flown by AeroCaribe, linking MID-CZM-CUN-CTM-etc, since this past week AeroLitoral's has took complete control and they've been flying those routes with 340 with 5D crews, metal and titles but all flights are from AeroCaribe. CINTRA is totally doing a mess and a lot of changes with AeroCaribe, Mexicana, AeroMar, AeroMexpress, Aerolitoral and AeroMexico.

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RE: AeroMar New Routes

Tue Jun 22, 2004 9:05 am

I really hope VW´s airfares were cheaper!!
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RE: AeroMar New Routes

Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:03 pm

I don´t understand why Ghost mentions passengers complain about flying in the ATR-42. It´s a nice, exciting ride. You get to actually feel the lateral acceleration when the crew is using the rudder, a sensation that is almost non-existent these days. If it weren't for the flight-time, I would prefer and ATR-42 over a regional jet anytime.

Just try flying the ATR on a hot day (30°C or more) and you will be riding on, what can be called, an Air Sauna. The steam bath you will get will make you take off your shirt after landing and squeeze it... the same applies to cold weathers, were you will fill like if you were in the north pole!! I have flown the ATR's and ERJ's many times from BRO-IAH-BRO and CLE-CMH-CLE and believe me, the ERJ's are 100 years ahead...
 
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RE: AeroMar New Routes

Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:39 pm

I`m sure that the ATR`s are not the best but hey, it could be worst, it could be like the METROS that aerolitoral used to fly, I didn`t even fit on those and it was so noisy that I had to wear ear plugs.



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