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BA0009 LHR-BKK-SYD With 777?

Mon Jun 07, 2004 8:09 pm

Hi.
On an LHR movements page, I found the following departure:

BA0009 To Sydney, Australia G-YMME 777 04/06/2004 17:40

BA0009 Being operated by a 777??? Any ideas why??

I was under the impression that BA0009 left around 10pm at night and was always operated by a 744.

Under the entry above there was this, which looked a lot more regular:
BA0009 To Sydney, Australia G-BNLG 744 04/06/2004 22:23

Any ideas what the story is here?
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RE: BA0009 LHR-BKK-SYD With 777?

Mon Jun 07, 2004 9:52 pm

mmm,

In my worldspan system it shows that flight BA009 on 4 june was operated by a 744.



* 1A PLANNED FLIGHT INFO * BA 9 -3 FR 04JUN
APT ARR DY DEP DY CLASS/MEAL EQP GRND EFT TTL
LHR 2200 FR FAJCDIWTYBH/M 744 11:30
KMLVRSNOQ/M
BKK 1530 SA 1815 SA FAJCDIWTYBH/M 2:45 8:50
KMLVRSNOQ/M
SYD 0605 SU 23:05

COMMENTS-
1.LHR BKK - DEPARTS TERMINAL 4
2.BKK SYD - DEPARTS TERMINAL 2
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RE: BA0009 LHR-BKK-SYD With 777?

Mon Jun 07, 2004 9:59 pm

AMS - the FLIFO you get for BA comes to 1P from Amadeus, not from RTZ - if there was an operational equipment change, it would not be reflected in the standard 1A FLIFO information (it's not that clever !).

[Edited 2004-06-07 14:59:35]
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RE: BA0009 LHR-BKK-SYD With 777?

Mon Jun 07, 2004 10:10 pm

JGPH1A,

I have retrieved the Flifo directly from BA, through my Direct access of BA.
Even if there is an equipment change, It may not show right away, but this will be always updated, although it cannot be guaranteed.

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RE: BA0009 LHR-BKK-SYD With 777?

Mon Jun 07, 2004 10:11 pm

Probably a typo error or a transmission error..

BA9 leaves LHR at 2200 hrs, so its more likely the B744 entry is the accurate one.
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RE: BA0009 LHR-BKK-SYD With 777?

Mon Jun 07, 2004 10:18 pm

AMS - If you look very carefully at you FLIFO output...

* 1A PLANNED FLIGHT INFO * BA 9 -3 FR 04JUN
APT ARR DY DEP DY CLASS/MEAL EQP GRND EFT TTL
LHR 2200 FR FAJCDIWTYBH/M 744 11:30
KMLVRSNOQ/M
BKK 1530 SA 1815 SA FAJCDIWTYBH/M 2:45 8:50
KMLVRSNOQ/M
SYD 0605 SU 23:05

COMMENTS-
1.LHR BKK - DEPARTS TERMINAL 4
2.BKK SYD - DEPARTS TERMINAL 2
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All 1P Direct Access links with BA (and all other 140 system user airlines) connect to Amadeus, and are provided with information from Amadeus. The requests are not forwarded to the airline's own inventory/flight management system
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RE: BA0009 LHR-BKK-SYD With 777?

Mon Jun 07, 2004 10:28 pm

JGPH1A,

I can have acces to Actual information,

DOBA009/4JUN
* OPERATIONAL FLIGHT INFO * 744 BA 9 -3 FR 04JUN
CITY INFO HOUR (LOCAL)
LHR ESTIMATED TIME OF DEPARTURE 2200
LEFT THE GATE 2200
TOOK OFF 2222
ESTIMATED TIME OF ARRIVAL 1512 BKK
BKK AIRCRAFT LANDED 1514
ARRIVED 1523
ESTIMATED TIME OF DEPARTURE 1900
DELAY OPERATIONAL REASON
LEFT THE GATE 1908
TOOK OFF 1924
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This is all actual information!!

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RE: BA0009 LHR-BKK-SYD With 777?

Tue Jun 08, 2004 5:38 am

I have noticed this on many occasions, and I can assure you that flight BA009 LHR-BKK-SYD is flown by a B747-400.

I think the error comes from the ACARS decoding system itself, as there was a similar post recently regarding flights AA134/135 LHR-LAX-LHR, where the report were showing on the Gatwick page as being LGW-STL-LGW.

The system had not been updated and still shows as LGW-STL-LGW, when it is infact LHR-LAX-LHR.

But I am not sure why it shows BA009 as being a 777. I have noticed it shows up BA006 NRT-LHR as being a 777 aswell.

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RE: BA0009 LHR-BKK-SYD With 777?

Tue Jun 08, 2004 5:44 am

Also it says VS051/052 goes to/comes from Newark, rather than Tobago and Grenada. I wouldn't trust the whole reliability of the logs. Of course most of them are correct but when you get 3 or 4 of the same flight on one day then you know its not right.

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RE: BA0009 LHR-BKK-SYD With 777?

Tue Jun 08, 2004 5:49 am

Yes I agree Stephen,

When I want flight information from this source, I tend to go to the 'more info' pages. They seem to be 99.9% accurate and reliable. - And it comes in bloody handy when posting my pics on myaviation so I can enter the correct flight info for each pic! Laugh out loud
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RE: BA0009 LHR-BKK-SYD With 777?

Tue Jun 08, 2004 5:56 am

Yeah thats what i like to do. I'll have to go and take a look at some of your pics  Smile

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RE: BA0009 LHR-BKK-SYD With 777?

Tue Jun 08, 2004 6:05 am

N754AN,

But I am not sure why it shows BA009 as being a 777. I have noticed it shows up BA006 NRT-LHR as being a 777 as well


BA has flown with 777 before between LHR-NRT, but for the summer season the 744 are planned.


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RE: BA0009 LHR-BKK-SYD With 777?

Tue Jun 08, 2004 6:17 am

AMS,

BA has flown with 777 before between LHR-NRT, but for the summer season the 744 are planned.

Thanks for the info, i did not know this!

Stephen, all my pics are on myaviation..
go to photographer section and search for my name.. Chris Horsfield

Some pics are ok, some are less ok!
Hope u like them

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RE: BA0009 LHR-BKK-SYD With 777?

Tue Jun 08, 2004 4:50 pm

AMS - yes the information you have is the Operational FLIFO sent by BA to Amadeus - it's still accurate, but it is not ALL the info. They don't publish equipment changes or sensitive delay information eg. DLA DUE WHEELS FELL OFF - it is massaged into bland codes such as OPERATIONAL REASONS.

Trust me on this, I know whereof I speak.
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