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Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 12:47 am

I have just turned the tv on to SKY NEWS. They had a caption at the bottom of the page that al-qaeda has warned of more attacks on airlines. I havnt seen any more details and will post them when I see them.
 
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 12:55 am

It should need to be very careful with the protect with those airlines.
 
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 1:13 am

The only real threat I can think of is either missile attack of jets taking off or landing, or infiltrating airports and gaining access by being an "employee".
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 1:13 am

Jeez not another one - it seems like there's a fresh warning every other week now!

They're not exactly gonna issue a warning then bomb an aircraft are they - do they think we're stupid?

Their main weapon is surprise - which has been demonstrated to deadly effect in the past.

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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 1:30 am

Anyone else almost feel safer when Al Qaeda goes out of their way to WARN US what they are going to do? It just seems like they're waving the wand before they pull their rabbit out of the hat. Just my $.02.
 
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 1:46 am

They probably just want to keep people from feeling safe. Harrassment, more than anything.
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 1:51 am

There have been dozens of warnings since Sep. 11th and nothing has happened, hopefully just another false alarm, esp. since i'm flying back home Wed.!
 
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 1:53 am

Of course al-qaeda would love to attack commercial aviation again. This is not news.

Let's think about this for a second.
(1) A 9/11-type attack is probably going to be much harder to pull off. Credit better security measures, cockpit door modifications, higher surveillance, and as said earlier in this thread, lack of surprise. I'm not going to be stupid enough to say that "it could never happen again" but it's not as likely to occur, in my opinion.
(2) Having someone on the "inside". It is conceivable that a rogue pilot or two might have strong enough ties to al-qaeda and decide to crash his aircraft or hit a target. This is especially troublesome when it comes to foreign airlines as it is very difficult to ascertain who is capable of doing what. And now, of course, those same pilots are protected by stronger cockpit doors, making the chance of thwarting the terrorism from inside the aircraft that much less.
(3) Sabotage. Again, someone on the inside could help in planting a bomb or other device. Scary but we have to hope that those background checks work!
(4) Surface to air missile. To me, this is still one of the most likely scenarios. I am presuming that al-qaeda has launchers and weapons in the US already but who knows for sure. If they do, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that they could blow up a plane on landing or takeoff and they don't even have to be near the airport. Very scary.
(5) Traditional car/truck bomb. These are easy, cheap, and usually cause the most damage and carnage. This is what al-qaeda loves: high body count. Someone could drive a truck up to the front of an airline terminal, for example, and blow it up. Think about how many people are inside of a typical bustling terminal. Very scary, and of course this doesn't have to be at an airport. It could be at a sporting event, a train station, a concert hall, etc.

The hardest part of this whole thing is trying to stay one step ahead. What can be done to prevent another disaster? I don't know but I have to have to faith that the government (and all gov'ts worldwide) are doing everything possible to end terrorism. But I also know the reality - they are going to get through one day and something will happen. The Madrid train bombs were proof that al-qaeda is alive and well and can strike quickly and with devasting results. With all of this doom and gloom, what can we do but continue with our lives? I'm certainly not going to become a truck driver in Baghdad or anything, but I'm going to continue with my 'normal' life as much as possible. I will continue to take buses, trains, airplanes, and attend sporting events because my thinking is "if they get me, they get me". All of these warnings are great at getting the media hyped up but really doesn't accomplish much.
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 2:27 am

Well said, Richierich! We learned from 9.11, and we'll learn when it happens again, which I strongly believe it will. I flew three days after flights were allowed following 9.11 (on mostly empty aircraft), and was questioned by many people about being scared. I said it then, and I'll say it now....I'm not going to allow an organization to like Al-Quaeda to take away my freedom, simply by instilling fear.
 
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 2:50 am

I think there's no doubt they will try to attack aircraft again, although it's strange that they mentioned American airlines. Maybe I'm making a mistake, but I thought they were just referring to Saudi Arabia, which is served by no US carriers. British Airways, Swiss, KLM and Lufthansa are among the European carriers which fly there.

I think this is an effort to make people feel more uncomfortable, but it's primarily part of an effort to destabilise the Saudi regime. They know the oil business is heavily dependant on westerners and if they can frighten them out (which they are trying to do), that hits the Saudi economy hard. Unfortunately, the sheer corruption, hypocrisy and profligacy of the Saudi royal family is a drain on Saudi resources and the economy has been doing very badly; the resultant high unemployment is a magnet for extremism, in much the same way as the economic climate of 1920s and '30s Germany was a healthy recruitment driver for Nazism. I don't want to cause offence with so stark a comparison, but the Saudi regime is heading for a fall and it's as well to be ready. I don't think Al Qaeda will feature in the new government, but we won't like it anyway, that's for sure.

As a previous poster said, if Al Qaeda wants to hit, it won't send messages to the media about it beforehand.
 
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 2:53 am

Well I think Qantas is at risk.

The reason is, this year is an election year in Australia. After the terrorists saw how setting a bomb off in Spain rewards right before elections, I think
they are going to try it again. Plant fear into the minds of people.

You know a really effective way would be to plant a bomb on a QF flight into london and explode it over central london.... that way you'd get both the Australian Government and the British Government in one hit. I thin they should both have elections around the same time too if i remember correctly.

Of course, i'd say other non-aviation methods would be favoured this time around, but not having a stable aviation system (or at least confidence in it buy the travelling public) serverly damages western economies. That is the goal afterall.

Of course, it may shock some of you, but I wouldn't rule out an Air France plane being taken down. Their have been serveral attempts to set of bombs in the Paris metro now, that the international intellegence community has thwarted. Perhaps if the US gov shut their mouths and let a few bombs go off in paris, they'd be stronger supporters?

In any case, they (the french) aren't safe either as there are huge arabic communities that live in seggregated conditions in paris and destest the french. So, I think it is safe to Say Air France may be a target just as much as BA/QF or AA.

[Edited 2004-06-07 19:56:30]
 
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 2:57 am

Al Qaeda has not pulled off any airline attack since 9/11.

I for one feel safer when they anounce things. They act like little school kids "look at me now i have scissors and i am going to run with them now, pay attention to me world!"

We have and will continue to make air travel more secure. I feel confident that Al Qaeda or any other bag of nutcases who wrongfuly hide behind religion to make others suffer will continue to become weaker.

We have made substantial progress in better protecting ourselves. While we should remain alert, our lives should not and will not change because of terrorism.
 
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 3:10 am

If you are going to attack the airlines, the stupidest thing you can do is warn them of it  Laugh out loud

Al Qaeda has possibly put a dent in their plans just by doing this. Also, its clearly evident they think they can get away with the same thing twice. You would think they could be a bit more creative. They are assisting their own suicide by warning people of their attacks..as obviously people will be more on their guard.
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 3:15 am

Remember, the planes used in 9/11 were a means to an end, not the target. I think I would be more worried getting on a cruise ship than a airplane. Talk about sitting ducks!
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 5:06 am

Yeah. I saw this on Yahoo! News today which was titled:

'Al Qaeda Warns of Attacks on Western Airlines'

I was like..."Since when did Western Airlines come back?"  Wow! The thrill was only short-lived when reality and logic set in. Embarrassment

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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 5:06 am

As a very frequent traveller, I can tell you that I see more and more rent-a-cops, less TSA, no National Guardsmen. Overall, screenings are more lax and screeners seem mon dimensional. If it isn't a laptop or a pair of sneakers- they don't even look at it! Drives me crazy! We were getting lazy again and are overdue for a reality check.

You are right- one successful missile launch at a plane on US ground would destroy the airline industry. Ugh. Talk about a shaky investment proposition...

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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 5:12 am

It would wreck an entire industry, but how would Americans get around? Our highways are already overfull, and we have no passenger rail, to speak of... Guess we'd all have to "Go Greyhound"....
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 5:31 am

I can't understand why the media doesn't
give 24/7 coverage on condemning terrorist
acts of killing, like the stand it takes on gays,
and in my opinion, holds very little political merit.I guess
there's no sex in the issue.Unreal!












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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 5:41 am

All hail the post-9/11 boogey man: Al Qaeda!

Seriously. They don't have to attack anything any more. They just have to say they will, and everyone sh*ts their pants!
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 5:41 am

In large part, to me these 'warnings' are as others suggest, a form of harassment of the west and the USA, to make us spend more money on higher alerts, etc. But let us not forget that there has been ground to air missle attacks or attempts already in recent years like the Israeli charter plane in Africa a few years ago and several attempts upon US Military aircraft in Saudia Arabia. This could happen near any airport, in the world. We also cannot forget that there could be attempts to use aircraft to wreak destruction, such as sneaking on bombs, etc.. Attacks by car/truck bombs of airport faclities is still possible and not much is being done to reduce that risk.
These Al-Qaeda types are a sub-cult of death who happen to be believers in some pervese interptation of the Islamic faith. There goal is to take over the world, especially all the oil related weath of the Islamic world for themselves and their followers. To me they are as perverse as the Nazis were, living in their obscene fantasay world, their hate of Jews and other 'non-believers' and modernity.
 
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 5:44 am

It wouldn't outright destroy the industry - it would just destroy privatized carriers as we know them. Hello government-run air travel.
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 6:03 am

Don't forget the DHL A300 in Iraq as an example of a SAM strike

I'm with the group that believes "If they get me the get me, but I'm gonna make it hell for them first!".

A SAM strike would almost definitly cripple air travel unless they make 20 mile no go areas around airports (That would be good for LCY wouldn't it) - But that idea isn't going to happen now is it.

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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 6:05 am

I think BA and Qantas have a lot to worry about, besides the US carriers. AF and LH I don't think are high priority targets, given that France and Germany opposed the war in Iraq and don't have troops there (though they are in Afghanistan helping with the war on teror).

Australia holds elections for PM before ours in November, and like Spain, it's a conservative PM that supports Bush vs. a liberal that not only hates the war, but Bush as well.

Similar for Britain, though their elections aren't until '05 sometime. Given BA's operations in the middle east, I wouldn't be surprised to see them cancel flights in droves.

I'm flying out of IAD on a UA 747 headed for Frankfurt on July 3rd. A threat like this is a bit unnerving, given the close proximity to a US holiday and outside the nation's capital. But, all this threat talk by these cowards have been hollow anyhow, so I'll be damned if it's going to stop me.
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 7:11 am

Good for you, Steven.

I admit that I rearranged some vacation plans to avoid being in Vegas on 7/4 - I am flying out on 7/1 - but not entirely because of al-qaeda. It also works better from a work perspective. The terror threat was in my mind a little, however, which is exactly how terrorism works. Given a choice between flying on 7/4 or on a different day, I'd probably choose a different day, even though I know nothing will happen on that day.

I do agree with everybody that it is dumb and ignorant to blame all Muslims for terrorism and 9/11. This is exactly what al-qaeda wants, to make this a religious war, sort of like a crusade. Nothing pisses them off more as when an Islamic country works closely with Western countries to weed out the bad seeds. From their perspective, Western countries, especially the USA, are only interested in money and oil. To an extent this is probably true but that is overly simplistic. I think a lot of diplomacy has to go into getting away from an "us" versus "them" mentality because this is what fuels the extremist point of view.

Back to the subject - I will briefly bring my religion into it by saying - that I hope and pray to God that terrorism ends soon for all of mankind's sake. "Can't we all just get along?" I fear that answer to this question is increasingly becoming "no".

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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 7:31 am

Seems it is just posturing from an organization that is in disarray. Anyone forget that they never warned fellow Muslims about September 11th? Cowards hoping to capture a few headlines- nothing more.
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 7:46 am

Really, there really is nothing to fear. I'm more afraid thinking of cancer than whether or not someone will rush into the cockpit and slice my throat.

It's a fact of life, violence and wars. I was in Joburg recently, and I can't even walk alone outside the hotel, simply because I'm afraid of getting mugged, or even physically harmed (as per the warnings issued by the hotel staff). That's real terror that happens everyday, though it doesn't seem to be newsworthy.

As many have said, it seems that a simple press release nowadays will trigger widespread pandemonium, which is not helped at all by this colour coding system that the Americans have got to 'warn' people of possible terror attacks. For God sakes, that's just as dumb as someone locking themselves in their own home because Al-Qaeda listed the city they live in as a target, among 498 others.

There is no way of winning this war by making people more fearful than they already are. The Madrid bombings served as a reminder, but when you consider the frequency of their attacks, there really isn't anything to fear about. Unless if you're driving trucks in Baghdad, of course. Why let the terrorists win?

And if Al-Qaeda represented mainstream Muslim ideology, then you will probably see bombings happening all over the USA right now like you do in Baghdad.
 
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 8:11 am

Hey, guys.

Not to diminish the possibility of an attack or the severity of the threat, but has anyone else besides me considered that Al-Qaeda could just be posting threats to instill fear in the hearts of men and women everywhere? Terrorism to me is the art of creating fear in the hearts of people by any means necessary. So they may not have to actually carry out an attack, and use the "success" (pardon the pun) they had on the USS Cole, 9/11, and Madrid as a tool for psychological warfare. Attacks are possible, but sometimes not knowing whether or not the threat would actually be carried out to me is a tough battle in of itself.

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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 9:42 am

Only last month Larry Silverstein (WTC owner) bought the Sears tower in Chicago......so if you or anyone you know works there I would suggest taking immediate action like changing jobs for starters.

Remember that guy bought the WTC complex around 1 month prior to 9-11 and he has openly admitted in a publically available PBS documentary (America Rebuilds) to purposefully demolishing building 7 on 9-11 due to "fire risk".

from http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/01-18-04/discussion.cgi.35.html

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In the documentary Silverstein makes the following statement;

I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it." And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.

[This can be heard in the audio file http://VestigialConscience.com/PullIt.mp3 . Thanks to Sir Dave 'tmo' Soule for transfering this from the video to an MP3 file. "America Rebuilds", PBS Home Video, ISBN 0-7806-4006-3, is available from http://shop.pbs.org/products/AREB901/ .]

Mr. Silverstein's comments stand in direct contradiction to the findings of the extensive FEMA report. They even negate Kevin Spacey's narrative in the very documentary in which they appear; "WTC 7 fell after burning for 7 hours." If it had been generally known that the building was "pulled" wouldn't Mr. Spacey have phrased it that way?

In the same program a cleanup worker referred to the demolition of WTC 6: "... we're getting ready to pull the building six." There can be little doubt as to how the word "pull" is being used in this context.
[This can be heard in the audio file http://VestigialConscience.com/PullIt2.mp3 taken from the video.]

This shocking contradiction is yet another curious twist in a disturbing series of events surrounding the "collapse" of WTC 7, and the WTC complex in general.
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I know for a fact that it takes longer than 7 hours to load up a 40 story building for demolition, so then how'd they do it so quickly? There HAD to be pre-placed explosives already there before the first plane hit the north tower PERIOD. Mr. Silverstein is either lying, mistaken, or he f'ed up pretty bad in that video.

If another building strike occurs in America then that's all she wrote for commercial aviation (in America), as martial law will be initiated and all hell will break loose here. Ex commander Tommy Franks clearly said it himself in a popular leisure magazine earlier this year.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/11/20/185048.shtml

So don't flame me....all I have said I read in the public media.

 
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 10:26 am

MD80Fanatic

I highly doubt that 7 World Trade Center was wired with explosives. Remember that the surounding buildings of the twin towers were badly damaged after the collapse (1 Liberty Paza, 5 World Trade Center, 7 World Trade Center, the Marriott Hotel, and others). 7 World Trade Center was burning after the collapse, and since it was badly damaged, and to protect life, I believe that pulling (which to me means that he pulled the firefighters away from the building) was the right decision.

I do agree that another airline strike will severely cripple an already injured commercial aviation industry.

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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 10:52 am

There was something like 20-25 thousand gallons of deisel oil in the basement of WTC-7 that caught fire. It was there to power the City Emergency Command center, where Rudy went to after the initial hit, and was at when the tower came down.

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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:47 am

Sad to hear since Im a frequent international traverller on our biggest target...AA. You'll be glad to know though, my flight instructor just got outfitted with his training in New Mexico and is now carrying a SK 40 cal on his hip when he is flying. He is in the top 1% of AA and is a senior captain and air crew check man. He'll protect us in the friendly skies!!! Cheers!
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 12:22 pm

Um, I bought that video, America Rebuilds, and yes Mr. Silverstein says they "pulled" the building later in the day on 9-11. Now...when a building falls on it's own....can anyone say THEY pulled, or did anything to it other than watch it fall?

Unless you wish to accept the official story out-of-hand without a single shred of evidence to prove it, then I strongly suggest ordering the video for yourself and watching it. The truth is written all over his face. It is quite disturbing to say the least :-( If you want you can hear the audio only here: http://vestigialconscience.com/PullIt.mp3

And also, Diesel "Oil" doesn't burn at atmospheric pressure and temperature. It only burns in the high pressure and temperature environment of a piston type engine or similar regime.

 
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 12:57 pm

I can't figure out how these scum can disseminate their threats to news organizations and have them broadcast without their legitimacy being verified first. In fact crap like this isn't even news. It's rumours and speculation.

These threats could even be some crackpot. Any lunatic can make a videotape and deliver it anonymously to some newshound.
 
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 1:06 pm

Attacks on airliners are very unlikely I think. Unless done with a Private GA or Small Communter plane. It a larger Jet first they would have to get through security then once in the plane trying to attack get passed the Air Marshall no Air Marshall then the PAX then the Cockpit door and worst comes to worst a pilot that might be armed. In the worst senerio that is possible the Air Force might be forced to shoot the aircraft down. Which is not the goal of the terrorist.
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 1:52 pm

MD80fanatic-

First off, the last thing this world needs is comments like "......so if you or anyone you know works there I would suggest taking immediate action like changing jobs for starters. "

That is obnoxious to say the least. Why would you say anything like that?

And secondly, and more importantly, why does your name speak of the worst aircraft ever built? I think these two have something in common, Idiocy.
 
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 2:43 pm

The "only" thing I can imagine that will happen is the same thing that happened to that Israeli charter departing from Kenya and that DHL flight over Iraq. They are standing outside the airport area and firing RPG's at the aircrafts.
And hopefully that will never happen. But you are never sure about those crazy bastards.
 
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 2:49 pm

Just a few comments from someone who is in the airline industry; behind the cockpit door.

1) Diesel fuel will burn in standard atmospheric pressure and temperature. All you have to do is vaporize it and it will burn. True, throw a match in a pail of diesel fuel and the match will go out, but hold an open flame in front of a fuel injector and it will ignite.
2) I personally think there will never be another 9/11. Simply put the passengers and flight crews will never allow the hijackers to gain control of the aircraft. In the past, the standard airline response to a hijacking was to comply with the hijacker's demands and avoid confrontation. The reason was there had never been a terroristic event like 9/11. Historically, the hijackers, once their demands were met, let the crew, passengers and plane go. There have been isolated cases of terroristic events, such as TWA 847, the hijackings by the PLO and a few others. However, generally speaking, the emphasis was to give the hijackers what they wanted.
In the post 9/11 environment, it is completely different. I don't know a single flight crewmember who will give control of the flight to a hijacker. NO MATTER WHAT. The primary emphasis now is to maintain control of the aircraft at all costs. Do what ever you have to do. I am sure people can read between the lines and get my point.
3) I remember shortly after 9/11, the many events where passengers subdued other passengers if they even went near the cockpit door. The "shoe bomber" was subdued by passengers and cabin crew. I think people have realized it's better to take some action rather than doing nothing at all. If you really think about it, there are several weapons available to the passengers in the cabin.
4) Finally, to the people who rearranged their travel plans. The "terrorists" or ad I call them, cowards won. They made you scared and you changed your plans. Look at Ireland and the UK for inspiration. I am not going to take sides on the IRA v. N. Ireland, but it got to a point where the general public in the UK and ROI simply got fed up and refused to succumb to the terrorist (both sides) threats. They got on with their daily lives.
I personally have no quams about getting on an airplane as passenger or crew. In my mind, I know what course of action I will follow. I refuse to be held hostage to a bunch of cowards.
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 3:41 pm

I do not get the diesel fuel analogy. What does Diesel fuel have to do with anything? Are you saying that if organised, terrorists can act like a "fuel injector" and make something happen out of the ordanary?

Sorry i am lost.
 
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 3:44 pm

A previous poster, Md80fanatic, made referenct to diesel not burning. I only attempted to correct his/her statement. That's all, no hidden meaning at all...
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 5:06 pm


We should not be afraid-because that is what these guys get off on-instilling fear. I am more determined now NEVER to change my travel plans and my love for flying/aviation just because of these bastards and their threats. I'm sure that many of you are correct in saying that there are numerous and likely possibilities for further 9/11 style attacks, but the minute you curb your plans because of it or change your decision to travel by air, you have allowed them to take a piece of your freedom.
To anyone remotely AL-Quaeda who might be reading this (I doubt it): UP YOURS in a big way and to hell with your threats. WE'RE GONNA KEEP FLYING!
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 8:43 pm

I think these new threats should be taken seriously as they are not about targeting airlines in their own countries but Saudi Arabia, where the violence has already seen westerners murdered b AL-Qaeda, They want to single out all the Compounds and Businesses where western Ex-Pats work and rid Saudi-Arabia of them, they are warning all Muslims to stay away from such areas, these include oil company places and western airline places.
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 9:01 pm

Looking at what effect the Al Qaida attack had on the elections in Spain its for certain they´ll try something evil big-scale in the US (or outside targeting at the US) later this year to kick Bush of the already rotten pedestal he´s still standing on.
If its in the world of aviation or not, that everbody´s shaking on every warning Osama´s bats-of-hell shout out is proof for who is really in the lead in the "war against terrorism" today.
A attack on oil-tankers, or aviation as a whole, gas in the underground or a rocket hitting the white house who knows what comes next. Personally I don´t think there´ll be an end to it over the next years if we have "Elephants in the porcelain shop" (German saying) dominating the West.
 
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 10:24 pm

I personally think that they won't make an atack with an aircraft, just because everybody is looking at that direction. and the airline sector is verry carefull. It is more likely that tha make there attack on a different way. like they did in spain. nobody had seen that coming like the 9-11 attack. it is more likely that they drive a boot into a hugh harbor or an them park in florida. just because nobody is looking in that direction because everybody is thinking of an airline attack
 
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 10:34 pm

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MD80fanatic-

First off, the last thing this world needs is comments like "......so if you or anyone you know works there I would suggest taking immediate action like changing jobs for starters. "

That is obnoxious to say the least. Why would you say anything like that?

And secondly, and more importantly, why does your name speak of the worst aircraft ever built? I think these two have something in common, Idiocy.
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UALongHaul.....

First off, the md80 is my favorite aircraft.....can't I have my choice? Or would you rather force me to like your choice instead? Whose the idiot here?

If I had known about the WTC in advance and I posted here warning those who were employed there in advance....AND you reply to my warning with a comment on it's obnoxiousness.....in hindsight.....who would have appeared to be more foolish?

I lost 3000 of my fellow countrymen to an event that is still quite foggy as far as hard, cold FACTS go. Yeah I've heard all the explanations from overstuffed talking heads .... none of which are qualified to tie my shoes. I WANT ANSWERS and not more idiotic distractions.




BTW to whoever said deisel burns at standard atmosphere is somewhat wrong. True it burns if vaporized....BUT it will not vaporize quickly enough in a standard atmosphere to sustain combustion. If the limit of the deisel oil fire was simply at the tip of the internal "injector" then we wouldn't have had to demolish the building....a simple turning off of the fuel supply would have been sufficient.







 
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 10:37 pm

They are just trying to scare us..it is nothing more than a ploy to scare us again after 9/11...Al Queda can suck my *&^%s...i love flying and always will. The only time i was scared was landing at SCE last year on a windy day..and i am sure there are those that know what it is like at SCE  Big thumbs up
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 10:52 pm

Its been almost three years since that horrible september day and at this point, I dont think another terrorist attack is going to be SUCCESSFULL. I think eventually, al qaeda will try and fail. Think about the repercussions of this. If al qaeda were to try and blow up and plane or take over a plane, it would add huge amounts of credibility to the American government, the TSA and the numerous changes since 9/11. People would feel alot safer than they do now.

I work for the airport authority in Jacksonville, and this job has given me great insight into the steps airports are taking in protecting the passenger and I feal completely safe. The numerous bagage screaning devices, the increase training for TSA, the random searches and the high level of security for employees is an idication that the government is taking a proactive stance against terrorism.

In response to an earlier post that said a successful attack would end airtravel in the US, that is really out there. We have to look only to one of the most dangerous places on earth, Israel. El AL is one of the safest in the world. IF something were to happen, I believe many airlines would eventually go under and the security imposed by airlines would become similar to EL AL. It is neither realistic nor economical to end air travel although government run airline would not be completely out of the question.

What the government needs to step up is immigration. I flew to Spain about 6 months after 9/11 and was never checked through customs. The only stamp i received from customs was in ITaly and it was just saying I went through. No one went through my bag, nothing. If we increase our vigilance through customs, and international borders, we can prevent attacks from within. Now all we have to fear are the people within our borders, those americans who want to do us harm.  Sad
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RE: Al-Qaeda Warns Of More Attacks On Airlines

Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:11 pm

May be it is time to convert to Middle Eastern Airlines. Big grin
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