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Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Wed Jun 09, 2004 10:27 am

I am going to be spotting at LAX on Friday--does anyone have information regarding landing and takeoff runway info, gate info, aircraft registration, etc., for the inaugural June 11 AI flight into LAX?

I can't wait.
 
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Wed Jun 09, 2004 10:45 am

The details you ask for are not determined yet, but I can tell you who the crew will be. Not that you care of course....  Big grin
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Wed Jun 09, 2004 10:46 am

Let make wish for good luck with AI to LAX.
 
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Wed Jun 09, 2004 2:04 pm

Hey T-Bird - here it is!

* 1A PLANNED FLIGHT INFO * AI 137 2 FR 11JUN

BOM - AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA 0710-1225
AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA - LAX 1400-1635

Wish you luck with getting great pix! Hope to see them on A.NET soon!
 
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Wed Jun 09, 2004 2:39 pm

Good Luck Air-India, and wish you all the VERY BEST. FLyhigh in the sky, PALACE in SKY!
 
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Wed Jun 09, 2004 2:42 pm

Also make sure you empty the watse (Toilet) tank before your departure!!
I read on Skytrax that once the toilet overflow and it leaked into the cabin!!!
 
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Wed Jun 09, 2004 2:46 pm

Best wishes to Air India on their commencement of service to LAX from India !!
 
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Wed Jun 09, 2004 4:05 pm

I'm not sure if this helps, but LH lands at around 2pm from AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA with a 744 every day and almost always uses 25L to land. I would assume that AI would use 25L as well. However, ATC will make the final decision!
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Wed Jun 09, 2004 5:02 pm

Will AI be using the Bradley Terminal or Terminal 2?
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Wed Jun 09, 2004 11:47 pm

Did AI's newly leased 744s arrive? More ex-Korean Air aircraft? And what are they calling them this time around?
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Wed Jun 09, 2004 11:54 pm

AI will be at TBIT.

The specific airframe that will operate the inaugural AI 137 will be assigned approximately 1430Z on Thursday. I'll post once it becomes known.
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Thu Jun 10, 2004 12:31 am

Thanks for the replies. I am aware that LH flights generally use 25 L, but you never know. Many late afternoon flights land on 25 R (BA, Virgin, JAL, Philippines, ANZ, etc).

It's helpful to know that TBIT will be the terminal in use.

Sean, when/if you find out further details, do let us know!
 
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:51 pm

Does anyone know how these flights are booked for the next weeks (sold out??)? Of course, the inaugural one will be full, but I could imagine that this connection will be a very popular one...

would be nice to get some data (if someone has access to booking system??)
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:55 pm

I can look into Sabre, Galileo and Amadeus - but I can only do that tomorrow... so if no-one gets the data earlier, then I can supply it... although, the CRSs always only give a partial view - I guess that Sean is probably in a much better position to get precise infos...  Big grin

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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Thu Jun 10, 2004 7:39 pm

Flight wide open!!! (AMADEUS)


1AIAD11JUNBOMLAX
** AI - AIR INDIA ** 001 FR 11JUN
SEE FLIFO FOR SHARED FLIGHTS
21 AI 137 F2 A2 J4 C4 D3 BOM LAX 0710 1635 1 744
W4 Y4 B4 H4 K4 L4 M4 V4 G4
 
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Thu Jun 10, 2004 9:04 pm

Flight wide open!!!

Interesting - and very surprising... so I could show up at the ticketing if I decide to go spontaneously and get a cheap ticket!  Smile

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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Thu Jun 10, 2004 10:58 pm

Flight wide open!!!

I won't say "wide open" but its up there.  Smile

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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Fri Jun 11, 2004 1:21 am

Aircraft operating AI 137 of June 11 is now confirmed to be VT-ESM "Konark".


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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Fri Jun 11, 2004 1:40 am

Wow, thanks Sean. I thought for sure it'd be AIC, AID, or EVJ (something about crew cabin space?)

Best of luck to AI as they commence LAX service. Hopefully it will be a profitable run. As a longtime CA resident, this is SO long overdue! Hopefully SFO will be on the AI route map soon as well.

Does anyone have landing/takeoff runway info yet?
 
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Fri Jun 11, 2004 1:47 am

I thought for sure it'd be AIC, AID, or EVJ (something about crew cabin space?

The flights are being staffed entirely with non-union cabin crew (executive crew, probationary new hires and trainees) until a final agreement on crew rest is reached with the union. Staffing has been set to an optimal complement of 19 cabin crew for this flight, compared to 16 on other 744 longhaul sectors.
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Fri Jun 11, 2004 2:27 am

The flights are being staffed entirely with non-union cabin crew (executive crew, probationary new hires and trainees) until a final agreement on crew rest is reached with the union.

Why hasn't there been any Union Agreement yet?? Has it something to do with their control by the Shiv Sena?
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Fri Jun 11, 2004 2:49 am

Why hasn't there been any Union Agreement yet??

AICCA is objecting to some of the workrules for the new hires (who aren't union members yet) and so they are stalling all along the line.

Nothing new here. When the 744s were first introduced, they ran almost an entire year of executive operations before the unions finally reached agreement. Even during SARS last year, executive operations were commonplace. Most passengers won't even notice the difference.
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Fri Jun 11, 2004 3:01 am

Excuse my ignorant... but is this a non-stop flight ? or does it make a stop in Europe? If it was a non-stop flight do you think they go west or east of India to LAX? I would think flying east is closer considering LAX is in the west coast of the US.
 
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Fri Jun 11, 2004 3:08 am

Interesting that they're flying with AI's oldest 744 bird.

It's a great name though--Konark. Also the first to be fitted with sleeper beds in First Class.

Sea, the flight is stopping in Frankfurt.
 
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:03 am

Interesting that they're flying with AI's oldest 744 bird.

Oldest maybe, but she's also the flagship and one of the best behaved.  Smile

Also, the inspiration for my username so maybe I'm a bit biased. Of course, I love all 6 of the original -437s but ESM and EVB are my favorites.

Ok, I'm about to get all misty eyed about my "babies" so I'll quit before people start making more fun of me!  Nuts
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:19 am

Don't worry, I understand.

I personally was always favourably biased toward ESN (love the name Tanjore) and ESP (love the name Ajanta as well). I'm not thrilled about "Kaziranga".

However, growing up it was always about AI 747s being named after emperors. I thought that was so wonderful. My mother flew on Emperor Ashoka in 1972, and I remember being absolutely thrilled as a kid pulling up to next to Harsha Vardhana in Delhi aboard our PAA 747 arriving from Frankfurt.....

I really miss the emperor monikers.
 
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:33 am

However, growing up it was always about AI 747s being named after emperors. I thought that was so wonderful.

I agree. The Emperor names truly gave the planes "personalities". With my nomadic childhood in the 70s/80s, the planes really became some of my "best friends". Go ask any AI old-timer about the classics and they will always refer to them by name.

It's really great to see how many lives each of those planes touched and how fondly they are remembered around the world even three decades later. When I went to Mojave in 2001 to visit Shahjehan and Rajendra Chola in their "retirement home", it was amazing how many people from AI in BOM told me to pass on their "best wishes" to a hunk of metal. I even carried a number of GIFTS for the two aircraft (I kid you not!).

There was something special about them alright...
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:47 am

Exactly. The personality aspect of it was probably the most special thing. It also, to me, as the child of Indian parents and born and raised in the USA, gave me a very special insight into the richness of Indian history and my own cultural heritage, with so many great personalities therein....it made me very proud.

That's wonderful that Shahjehan and Rajendra Chola were not forgotten in the desert. I can understand the ties that many had to those planes.

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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Fri Jun 11, 2004 11:36 am

OK guys, sorry I have to interfere in your discussion.. this time when I took AI to India from FrA my goal was somehow to fly with Narasima Varhan... (one of the two 74D...)

On the way back to FrA, the minute the a/c arrived I got up... and it was him (on the way to DEL it was the other one, Shivji...)!

I tried to ask friends about Narasima Varhan - no one knew the history about him... do you know more about him (i.e. who was he...?)

sorry if this post of mine seems confused... I finished my exames finally, it is 3:45 am here - returned from a club - and I am just happy and writing weird stuff...  Wink/being sarcastic

But something I want to ask you two.... are the differences between AI's various 744 really so big (to be honest: I would never realize!)
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Fri Jun 11, 2004 11:48 am

I tried to ask friends about Narasima Varhan - no one knew the history about him... do you know more about him (i.e. who was he...?)

From http://www.webindia123.com/history/MEDIEVAL/history%20south.htm

Mahendra Varman I was succeeded by his son Narasimha Varman I who ruled from (625-645AD). In 642 AD he took over Vatapi (Badami ) from the Chalukyas defeating Pulakesin II. He is said to have sent naval expeditions to Ceylon in support of Manavamna. Pallava art had a boost during his rule the reign of NarasimhaVarman I. He was a great builder and founded the town of Mamallapuram or Mahabalipuram which is adorned with the seven rock cut Pagodas. It was during his reign that Hieun-Tsang visited Kanchi in about 642AD. He wrote a remarkable account on the Pallava Kingdom.

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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Fri Jun 11, 2004 11:57 am

are the differences between AI's various 744 really so big

Depends how closely you know them. They all have their tiny quirks that you get to know over time. For example, Konark has had a chronic airconditioning duct leak in C-zone for years, Tanjore's lavatory tanks regularly malfunction, Khajuraho is known for always having the number 1 VTR system inop, etc...

I can usually tell them apart visually without even looking at the registration, since they all have tiny quirks in their painting that distinguish them. But that makes me a dork and more of the exception than the rule.
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Fri Jun 11, 2004 11:58 am

Ahh yes Konark. Flew on her quite a few times. Beautiful aircraft.
 
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Fri Jun 11, 2004 3:25 pm

Good grief. Thats all I can say.

The inaugural Air-India Mumbai-Los Angeles flight was flagged off on Friday morning by Minister of State for Civil Aviation Praful Patel.

The flight was carrying 193 passengers, including 170 in economy class. The return flight from Los Angeles to Mumbai is already sold to full capacity of 385 however.

"Let the Maharaja rule the skies once again to restore the past glory," Patel said while flagging off the flight. "The airline has sunk in the past, now it is time to grow and regain its market share and past pride", he added.

"Hollywood to Bollywood" was the theme at the Sahar terminal with look alike of Michael Jackson, Elvis Presley, Charlie Chaplin entertaining the guests.

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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:11 pm

Wouldn't it have been better for AI to fly over the Pacific through Seoul, Tokyo, HKG etc as the already fly into Europe (CGD and LHR) as their main base, so flying over the Pacific could have given them a change in menu for passengers and well as AI itself? Maybe Sean can explain this. Also I flew on EVA and ESN, and the diffrence was like heaven and hell.
 
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:29 pm

Scheduled Arrival time FrA: 12:25 GMT+1
Estimated Arrival time FrA: 12:12 GMT+1

will land in less than an hour...

any idea how many pax will additionally board in FrA?
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:51 pm

FYI>

Scheduled Time LAX: 1635 (435 pm)
Estimated arrival tile LAX: 1502 (302 pm)

So hurry if you wanna spot! - flight is more than 1 1/2 hr early  Smile
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Sat Jun 12, 2004 12:05 am

Don't worry, they have been instructed to take a slower transatlantic track and won't be arriving in LAX till around 4pm, which is when the media event is scheduled for! Ops says 354pm is the recalculated ETA.
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Sat Jun 12, 2004 12:59 am

Well... Best of luck to AI to LAX... as for myself... i have flown Velha Goa.... from JFK-LHR-DEL-LHR-JFK in 1998
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Sat Jun 12, 2004 3:22 am

This is great info. I'll get there early just in case.

Anyone have gate information? It would be helpful to know if it will land on 25 L or R, and park at the south or north side of the Tom Bradley terminal.

Also, are spectators allowed to participate in any festivities on the ground?
 
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Sat Jun 12, 2004 4:02 am

Thunderbird1, are you taking pics and publishing them here in the forum? Would be very grateful... otherwise... can you send me a private mail (my profile, then on contact).. then I would give you my email id, and you could email me some of them! Thanks, would be very grateful
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Sat Jun 12, 2004 4:09 am

I'm taking all my photos with a film SLR, and not digital. I haven't scanned most of my pics, so you'll probably see better photos on here taken by someone else.

However, if the pics turn out well, and I can get them scanned properly, I'll try and get them on A.net. Otherwise I can e-mail you some, sure!

I am still trying to figure out the gate info for the flight. Trying to get a hold of LAX info is a pain.

The gate info should give a good idea of whether Konark will be landing on the south or north side of the complex. If anyone knows, please post (quick)!
 
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Sat Jun 12, 2004 1:39 pm

Thunderbird1,
Hope you could get good pics of this flight! Let us know when you develop them. Any specific news about the media event?
 
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Sat Jun 12, 2004 7:30 pm

I like this one...

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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Sat Jun 12, 2004 8:13 pm

Doesnt Air India have fifth freedom rights LAX-NRT ?
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Sat Jun 12, 2004 9:36 pm

Doesnt Air India have fifth freedom rights LAX-NRT ?

AFAIK they have them for some decades...
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Sun Jun 13, 2004 12:11 am

Some pictures from the pre-flight ceremonies at Mumbai on Friday.



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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Sun Jun 13, 2004 12:17 am

Maybe Sean can explain this

Sean already did explain this over a month ago on another thread.  Smile

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1504370/6/

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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Sun Jun 13, 2004 5:12 am

Let me give a summary of yesterday's exciting activities.

I couldn't get gate information anywhere on the internet so I decided to head to the terminal itself and check out the new ticket counter itself. I found that the gate was 105 (on the south side of TBIT).

The ticket counter was well decorated, with an "arch" of red and white balloons welcoming passengers and decorative ornaments everywhere. Passengers were being treated to samosas and kids were getting free ballons. All passengers were offered nice Air India sashes with the Indian flag attached. Festive mood.

I still didn't know which runway Konark would be using for landing. Many flights land on the north side (usually runway 24R) and then go around the west side of the complex and taxi over to TBIT. That runway, for me, was a better spot for photography, so I made a calculated risk and headed over to the north side of the airport and took my position.

I knew the plane was expected to come in around 4:15. It was funny--I was nervous as I looked all over the sky for signs of VT-ESM. I spotted the unmistakable shape of the 744 at about 4:05. What a rush. It floated in beautifully, terrific landing, wheels touching down at exactly 4:10 pm. Very exciting. I started to hike back to my car, with the intention of getting back to the terminal in a hurry to get shots of it pulling into the gate. On the way, I noticed Konark getting a water cannon salute on the west end of the LAX facility (near the remote parking bays) as it headed around to the south end of TBIT. That was cool.

I jumped in my car and sped to the airport, parked, and got there just in time to see mighty Konark being towed in to gate 105. Some of the passengers were observing this as well (from the outside, not inside the terminal). What a special moment. I know there are people who really dislike the AI livery, but I think it is absolutely gorgeous. The jharoka window motifs, Indian flag, and "Your Palace in the Sky" touches are beautiful, IMHO. Such a majestic plane.

I then went inside and got some shots of the bird from inside the terminal. By this time, the lines at the ticket counter had grown really, really long for the return flight 136 back to Frankfurt. Nice to see a full flight. Some of the passengers I spoke to seemed excited to be on the inaugural LAX-BOM service, as they should be. I was envious.

It was soon clear that the flight would be late. The electronic departures board indicated an on-time departure of 7:10, but it was clear that it was wrong. Apparently, not all passengers were checked in. An LH 744 for Frankfurt left at 7:07, right on time. AI 136 was supposed to follow only 3 minutes later.

I decided to take up my spot at Imperial Hill on the south side, expecting a departure on Runway 25R. It was getting dark quickly--bad news as far as takeoff shots were concerned. Konark finally pushed back at 8:11 pm, just over an hour late. I noticed that the wing inspection lights (on the fuselage, above the landing lamps on the wing root) appeared to be left on. The bird taxied to 25R and took off at 8:32 pm. I watched it head out into the sky, over the Pacific, and then make a big left turn to the south on its way to Frankfurt.

It's great having Air-India at LAX.


 
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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Sun Jun 13, 2004 5:27 am

Glad you enjoyed, thanks for the nice report.. wish I was on the flight - maybe next year on the FrA-SFO one  Big grin

Edit: (with the hope of giving a similar authentic report then with a working FrA-Key... Smile )

By the way, I checked the fare on FrA-LAX with some German agents... AI offers - similar to the ORD Route - by far the cheapest fares (even on short notice... well, if someone wants to leave in a week: it is around EUR 600  Smile )... maybe someone who works at an agent can give us some examples (Frank??)




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RE: Air India Inaugural LAX Flight

Sun Jun 13, 2004 6:14 am

By the way, Sean, thanks for those pics.

I'll post some soon if I can too. Have to get mine developed first.