Saleem
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Casual Dressing Of Pilots - Iberia

Thu Jun 10, 2004 2:55 pm


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Looks like casual dressing of Pilot

needs comments, whether Iberia allows such dressing as for me its a rare thing
 
andz
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RE: Casual Dressing Of Pilots - Iberia

Thu Jun 10, 2004 3:04 pm

Maybe it's a simulator, great graphics!  Smile
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Leskova
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RE: Casual Dressing Of Pilots - Iberia

Thu Jun 10, 2004 3:52 pm

If it were casual dressing - would that be so bad?

Personally, I think I'd prefer a pilot in clothes he/she feels comfortable in to a classic uniform (don't know how comfortable they are - and the "casual" clothes should obviously be along the lines of "smart casual"... no torn jeans or decades old t-shirts...

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A330
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RE: Casual Dressing Of Pilots - Iberia

Thu Jun 10, 2004 5:10 pm

This is not shot on a commercial flight but during base-training. After a type-rating course, we have to do at least 6 circuits with the real aircraft before obtaining the rating in our licence. You generally wear casual clothes for that.
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Saleem
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RE: Casual Dressing Of Pilots - Iberia

Thu Jun 10, 2004 5:52 pm

Thanks A330

So that's why its looking casual. This issue discussed earlier whether pilots should be allowed for smart casual, however my personal opinion is that the uniform adds your authority.

I am a fun flyer, however in some event we have to wear uniform, with stripes on the shoulders and black tie, I feel really nice.

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RE: Casual Dressing Of Pilots - Iberia

Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:01 pm

Yeah, I agree with Saleem.

I am not a pilot (yet) but I think that the uniform makes the pilot look and feel professional, you might as well be in a sim if you are wearing plain clothes. It gives him/her a sense of authority and leadership and reminders them of the job at hand. Hope I get one of those in a few years.

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RE: Casual Dressing Of Pilots - Iberia

Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:16 pm

For base training or pattern training, I do not think many airlines will ask their trainees to show up in uniform... After all, it will be a long day so you might as well make it yourself somewhat comfortable.

Besides: who are you going to show authority towards? The highly experienced TRI (instructor) next to you? The TRE (examiner) on the jumpseat? Your fellow trainees in the back?

I did my local traffic patterns in jeans and t-shirt.  Smile
 
Saleem
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RE: Casual Dressing Of Pilots - Iberia

Thu Jun 10, 2004 8:39 pm

In my opinion several times pilots have to use their authority, if someone is arguing, creating fuss in the aircraft or outside aircraft, for delayed flights, for cancellation, you can easily observe people behave differently to a plain cloth officer or any officer or pilot or airline staff who is in uniform.

That's where authority and leadership required

Am I right?

 
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RE: Casual Dressing Of Pilots - Iberia

Thu Jun 10, 2004 9:18 pm

Not a joke. Seriously, I went to the up front United 737-200 many years ago. I saw a captain was dress up suit and tie. I think he was back up pilot to fly that flight. My guess other captain was missed connect flight or call sick or some reasons. I never saw like this dress pilot on his flight control. I didn't fly with them. I was walking around O'Hare for enjoy.

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RE: Casual Dressing Of Pilots - Iberia

Thu Jun 10, 2004 10:04 pm

This reminds me of a story that was told to me by a friend that works for Iberia. I emphasise that this is only a story, so I have no evidence of it's truth or not.

Apparently a well know American Hollywood Actor, "RG", travelled between the US and Madrid and basically took all eight seats on the upper deck of one of the B742s, just for privacy rather than he was travelling with 8 people. Anyway, at some point during the flight, a member of the flight crew came out and had a nap on one of the empty seats in first class. As a result, RG did not pay his bill.....

I wonder if this was true? Was he right to do this?
 
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RE: Casual Dressing Of Pilots - Iberia

Thu Jun 10, 2004 10:10 pm

Murdoc (Kareem) dressed up like a professional basketball player in the cockpit! "Airplane!"

Ted Striker did not have his uniform when he landed that ill-fated airplane! Elaine was his co-pilot, no uniform too!

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RE: Casual Dressing Of Pilots - Iberia

Thu Jun 10, 2004 10:28 pm

On a smaller scale, I know that when I worked for ACA, often pilots would change something about their clothing once they were in the cockpit and the door was closed. A lot of the time it was just they would put on a baseball cap or something similar to that. It always looked weird though when I would marshall them out and they would have on a beat up old hat etc...
 
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RE: Casual Dressing Of Pilots - Iberia

Fri Jun 11, 2004 3:47 am

The worlds airline traffic started to grow after WW2 and most of the pilots that was recruted came from different military air force. And they brought the military style uniforms with them. And we still have them today.
 
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RE: Casual Dressing Of Pilots - Iberia

Fri Jun 11, 2004 4:15 am

I am scratching my head wondering why the clothing of flight personnel matters at all? What are you a bunch of chicks? Jeeesh! What's next? Criticizing their hair color? Dirty fingernails?

 
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RE: Casual Dressing Of Pilots - Iberia

Fri Jun 11, 2004 5:16 am

Md80fanatic:

Last I checked this was an open aviation forums and all questions regarding aviation are permitted.

It is a valid question since...oh I dont know....Pilots wear uniforms??? If someone sees a picture with a pilot flying a commerical airliner in casual clothing...I think it is valid to question why he/she is not in uniform.

Seeing that you just joined in April and have posted relatively few times...I'll give you the benefit of the doubt...but trolling posts are not needed.
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RE: Casual Dressing Of Pilots - Iberia

Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:40 am

"Last I checked this was an open aviation forums and all questions regarding aviation are permitted."

I didn't say the topic should be deleted, gee whiz. And yes its a valid question and I gave my honest opinion.....which is also permitted. Just because I have few posts and have been here a relatively short time means squat. How long should I "play along" before I am allowed to say what I feel? I didn't realise this was a seniority forum anyway....I'm sorry if it didn't go over well with you.
 
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RE: Casual Dressing Of Pilots - Iberia

Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:56 am

Reminds me of when I took a Champion Air charter 727 to CUN from DFW. The long haired pilots showed up in swim trunks, tank tops, flip flops, and sunglasses. Not awe inspiring in appearance, but good pilots, none the less.

Also reminds me of an issue with WN. WN pilots used to have these natty black flight leather flight jackets. I always thought it would be so cool to let the pilots wear their old military flight jackets (if they have one), patches and all. Now, that would be impressive.
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RE: Casual Dressing Of Pilots - Iberia

Fri Jun 11, 2004 8:56 am

I think it's nice, fitting, and proper when the crew wears uniforms. It provides a sense of professionalism; pride too perhaps. I think I would be very weary to fly with a crew that didn't wear uniforms. I am sure that they would be just as competent, but still I would have personal doubts.

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md80fanatic
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RE: Casual Dressing Of Pilots - Iberia

Fri Jun 11, 2004 9:53 am

Ummm, I'd like to apologize for my earlier comments. I was outta line. I kinda have a chip on my shoulder when it comes to "official" clothing (I'm a long haired free spirit type - LOL). Sorry 'bout that.

Carry On.
 
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RE: Casual Dressing Of Pilots - Iberia

Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:42 am

Yeah, definitely a training environment, although I know a few guys that wear non-PC accessories ("theme" ties and such) on occasion  Smile


(I'm a long haired free spirit type - LOL)

Isn't that just another type of conformity? I mean...really...if we all wanted to be different, and not "follow" others, we'd all run around naked, grunting at each other. Even then you could make the argument that we were still conformists.
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RE: Casual Dressing Of Pilots - Iberia

Fri Jun 11, 2004 2:25 pm

The worlds airline traffic started to grow after WW2 and most of the pilots that was recruted came from different military air force. And they brought the military style uniforms with them. And we still have them today.

Ahh, actually military-style uniforms were in use long before World War II. I recently read something about the first airline to introduce naval-style uniforms, but I cannot remember the exact details... In any event, highly militaristic uniforms were the norm in the 1930s...

If you look at one period advertising poster of Imperial Airways of Britain (showing their Hannibal & Heracles Class, their Scipio Class, their Scylla Class and their Atalanta Class) you'll see three different styles of uniform in use, navy blue, kakhi and white.

There is a photograph showing Miss World's Fair from the 1939 World's Fair in New York City next to an Eastern captain and an Eastern steward, and of course both of them were in full dress uniform. Interestingly enough the captain's uniform had only two stripes. In all probability the uniforms were more militaristic in the 1930s than they are today...

I prefer it that pilots be properly uniformed. The uniform conveys a sense of professionalism, and is a useful branding tool to convey the image of the airline that employs said pilots as safe, reliable and meticulously professional. The "sharper" and more militaristic the uniform the better: I'm an advocate of visor caps with gold braided chinstraps and piping and a full hat badge, a suit jacket and matching trousers (preferrably blue, white or grey), a necktie of the same color, with a tie clasp, epilets, rank bars and all of the other "fixtures" once the norm...

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