scottysair
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DL Begin Hourly From ATL-IAD On August 1

Sat Jun 12, 2004 12:43 am

Hi Everyone,

I got very good news for DL begin hourly service from ATL-IAD into Aug 1, 2004 and here with the press releases:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040611/clf012_1.html

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fjnovak1
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RE: DL Begin Hourly From ATL-IAD On August 1

Sat Jun 12, 2004 1:25 am

This is of course in respons to Independence Air planning to have something like 20 daily flights between the city pairs. Lets see, between AirTran and Delta flying both ATL-DCA and ATL-BWI (keep in mind DL flies a couple 763s to BWI), FlyI and Delta flying over 40 combined r/t ATL-IAD (does AirTran go into IAD - i cant recall) that is a HUGE amount of capacity and a large increase into the DC area...!!!!
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RE: DL Begin Hourly From ATL-IAD On August 1

Sat Jun 12, 2004 1:35 am

Fjnovak1,
Yes, FL does fly into IAD.

It should be interesting to see how this all plays out.
 
toltommy
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RE: DL Begin Hourly From ATL-IAD On August 1

Sat Jun 12, 2004 2:03 am

Interesting that high cost Delta is dumping seats into an already competetive LCC market. They must not want to surrender the market at all, because they'll have to be flying at a loss.
 
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RE: DL Begin Hourly From ATL-IAD On August 1

Sat Jun 12, 2004 2:04 am

Good news, more expansion for DL. I hope that they run that dumb Independence Air out of ATL.

Jeremy
 
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RE: DL Begin Hourly From ATL-IAD On August 1

Sat Jun 12, 2004 2:09 am

When looking at the capacity, don't forget the 6 daily UA CRJs from ATL to IAD.
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Greg
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RE: DL Begin Hourly From ATL-IAD On August 1

Sat Jun 12, 2004 8:24 am

Strange..becuase some are refering to Flyi as a LCC and Delta as the high cost carrier...

Actually, Independence' seat mile cost is about double of DL...making them the LCC (of course, that's low cost for seat mile cost...not necessarily for ticket price).

However, in this case, the advantage is clearly DL's.
Independence can likely pick a better battle to focus their energy on...
 
scottysair
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RE: DL Begin Hourly From ATL-IAD On August 1

Sat Jun 12, 2004 9:31 am

Yes, this is very good news for DL and they make hourly with every of those flights to IAD. It will be good for them. Keep it up, Delta!!  Smile
 
captover
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RE: DL Begin Hourly From ATL-IAD On August 1

Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:53 am

Don't hate on Independence Air, you have no reason to. They haven't even started flying yet.
 
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RE: DL Begin Hourly From ATL-IAD On August 1

Sat Jun 12, 2004 1:18 pm

They are ACA.

I hate ACA.

Therefore, I hate FlyI.

And greg is right. Twice as high a cost is twice as high a cost, whether we like them or not.

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RE: DL Begin Hourly From ATL-IAD On August 1

Sat Jun 12, 2004 11:10 pm

I smell a complaint on the horizon for predatory practices. Delta is honestly risking legal action on the part of Independence Air. This is nothing more than seat dumping on the route. Even if Independence Air goes to 20 RTs a day on the ATL-IAD route (like that's really going to happen), that's only 1000 seats a day added on the route. It's not like they're throwing 20 RTs a day on the routes with an A320 instead of the CRJ. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, ATL will be the first city Independence Air will drop. The route is already saturated enough between Delta (and Delta Connection), AirTran, and United Express. US Airways tried putting Metrojet on the route back in the late 1990s, and they got smacked around pretty good. If the route warranted additional flights, don't you think United would be putting mainline metal on the route, or that Delta would switch flights that are currently operated by a DCI airline with mainline metal, or AirTran would add flights on the route as well. The only reason why Delta is adding service (a whopping 4 new flights) on the route is because of Independence Air.
 
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RE: DL Begin Hourly From ATL-IAD On August 1

Sat Jun 12, 2004 11:53 pm

Srbmod,

Blah blah blah. Doesn't someone say that every time that a major defends their market share? Is legal action ever taken? No. I don't see what's wrong with an airline doing whatever they can to defend their market, why is it okay for the low-fares to come in and drop fares 50%+? I don't think it should be. People just need to get over it. Business is business. It's all about who can defend themselves the best.

Jeremy
 
fjnovak1
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RE: DL Begin Hourly From ATL-IAD On August 1

Sun Jun 13, 2004 1:36 am

SRBMOD, initially starting june 16th Independence will offer 10 daily r/t CRJ flights ATL-IAD...however, in July that will increase to 13, and in by August it will be hourly flights (16 daily)....so no, it isn't 20 per day, but 16 is a fair amount...Here is a capacity comparison between June 14th (pre Independence Air) and August 2nd (when the full schedule for FlyI and Delta are in effect)

ATL-IAD flights on Monday, June 14th...
6 daily on United Express-Air Wisconsin (6 CRJ x 50 seats) = 300 seats
5 daily on AirTran (5 B717 x 105 coach seats) = 525 seats
11 daily on Delta (7 MD88, 3 B757, 1 CRJ) = 1420 seats


Searching ATL-IAD flights on August 2nd.....lets count coach seats only since the premium seats (only on Airtran and Delta) remain mostly constant...
16 daily on Independence Air (16 CRJ x 50 seats) = 800 seats
6 daily on United Express-Air Wisconsin (6 CRJ x 50 seats) = 300 seats
5 daily on AirTran (5 B717 x 105 coach seats) = 525 seats
15 daily on Delta (7 MD88, 3 B757, 5 CRJ) = 1620 seats (assuming they are 50-seat RJs)

Unlike the example with Northwest bringing in 4 of their 44 seat CRJs into the LAN-IAD market, I really don't think that any predatory case would hold up here....Delta is matching the hourly service of Independence Air with their smallest capacity plane in order to preserve what is already THEIR market clearly in terms of seats offered daily...obviously the biggest net increase of seats offered is the seats offered by Independence.... basically even once FlyI operates full schedule, Delta will offer 50% of the seats in the (coach class) market, and 75-80% of the premium seats. Total seat capacity will be 3245. That's still, like I said before, a lot of seat capacity. I'd say thats about 75 or 80% of the seat capacity from the SFO-LAX corridor, and I think that is one of the nations busiest routes. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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RE: DL Begin Hourly From ATL-IAD On August 1

Sun Jun 13, 2004 1:50 am

Please be gentle if I am asking a stupid question, but wouldn't it be better for DL to add more flights to DCA rather than to IAD? I ask because I have the impression that while ATL is clearly more of a connecting hub, Washington, D.C. is more of an 0&D city for DL.
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RE: DL Begin Hourly From ATL-IAD On August 1

Sun Jun 13, 2004 1:52 am

I think there is a lot of bad feelings on here for FlyI for a couple of reasons:

1. they are/used to be ACA which I guess has a bad rep. I don't have an opinion on that one way or the other.

2. It would 'appear'--and I use the term lightly--that their biz plan is a bit ill conceived based on what's going on in the industry, circa 2004.

I don't think anyone has any personal delight in seeing them fail. I actually am more interested in seeing the established LCC's and legacy carriers slowly erode their market share.

Sometimes the 'reaction' is far more interesting than the 'action'
 
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RE: DL Begin Hourly From ATL-IAD On August 1

Sun Jun 13, 2004 7:19 am

EddieDude

It is my understanding that there are no more slots available into DCA. Therefore any new additions to the DC area are going to have to go to IAD or BWI.

NW is doing the same thing to Indy and LAN. On average there are 70 pax a day going to IAD. NW just about owns every airport in Michigan and they aren't going to give that up without a fight. IAir is picking a fight that they cannot win. Going head to head with NW, in Michigan non-the-less, is going to cost the dearly. I don't forsee Iair staying in LAN for very long.
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RE: DL Begin Hourly From ATL-IAD On August 1

Sun Jun 13, 2004 7:41 am

Greg writes: I don't think anyone has any personal delight in seeing them fail. I actually am more interested in seeing the established LCC's and legacy carriers slowly erode their market share.

Nor do I wish to see Independence Air fail. The legacies are however, IMO, playing the fool (nothing new) in their costly retaliatory schemes aimed at an airline that will probably put itself out of business before year's end -- if not considerably sooner. IMHO FlyI needs no help from DL or NW or anyone else in effecting their own demise; their business plan is virtually certain to take care of that outcome quite efficiently and quickly all by itself.
 
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RE: DL Begin Hourly From ATL-IAD On August 1

Sun Jun 13, 2004 9:01 am

Hopefully they'll knock IndyAir out Big grin

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RE: DL Begin Hourly From ATL-IAD On August 1

Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:31 am

You know what, you guys can hate aca as much as you want. ACA is gonna be gone. Independence Air is what's here now. So like us or hate us, we're hoping to be around so you can just keep on hating us as long as you like.
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RE: DL Begin Hourly From ATL-IAD On August 1

Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:37 am

TangoB...that is exatly what I'm getting at. It's likely that if DL had 747's they would put them on the route just to rid themselves of FlyI quicker.

I am in agreement that they need no help in their demise...the business plan very likely is only 7 Chapters long..if you get my drift.

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