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Is MAN-Mumbai Likely To Return Soon?

Sun Jun 13, 2004 9:22 pm

Air India flew this route up until a few years ago with (i think) its A310's. Why was it dropped from AI's network and is it likely to return?

Business links between the UK and India seem to be growing faster than ever recently, Mumbai in particular being a key city in this development.

So apart from Y being popular (as is usually the case from MAN) it is possible that F and C sections may now also be well used (and where the real money is made).

Anyone know if a carrier is looking at this route?
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RE: Is MAN-Mumbai Likely To Return Soon?

Sun Jun 13, 2004 9:25 pm



I know Singapore Airlines operated Mumbai-Manchester nonstop and back until a few years ago. The flights originated and terminmated in Singapore of course. I'm not exactly sure if they had fifth freedom rights between India-UK. It would definitely be a route that I think needs to come back.

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RE: Is MAN-Mumbai Likely To Return Soon?

Sun Jun 13, 2004 10:40 pm

Windowseat, I know that SQ had flights between Singapore and Heathrow with a stop in Mumbai, before they introduced the 747-400 which had significant range to do Singapore-UK non-stop.
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RE: Is MAN-Mumbai Likely To Return Soon?

Sun Jun 13, 2004 11:00 pm

The rumour mill at MAN has BD the most likely candidate for the route. However they seem to be some way off actually organising the necessary aircraft and permissions.

UK-India bilaterals are cursed with Government red tape and other crap.
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RE: Is MAN-Mumbai Likely To Return Soon?

Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:04 am

SQ operated SIN-BOM-MAN twice weekly from 1995 to 2003 with fifth freedoms.

Before that, it was SIN-BOM-LHR from 1989 to 1995 also with fifth freedoms.

Before that, I think the fligth operated to AMS.

SQ is unlikely to reinstate the service. Their operations to Europe are mostly now point-to-point to attract sixth freedom traffic, fifth freedoms are much less important. I've also heard that giving up the fifth freedoms to MAN/Europe was one of their bargaining chips for more rights to India, but I'm not sure about the validity of that one. Perhaps Sean might be able to confirm or deny this one.


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RE: Is MAN-Mumbai Likely To Return Soon?

Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:27 am

I've also heard that giving up the fifth freedoms to MAN/Europe was one of their bargaining chips for more rights to India, but I'm not sure about the validity of that one

Somewhat correct. The bilateral had a cap on the number of seats that each side was allowed to operate into India/Singapore. By running the 744 SIN-BOM-MAN twice weekly, SQ were burning an additional 600+ seats every week on a flight that didn't even take passengers to Singapore. Even worse, the transit passengers counted against their seat capacity. Hence BOM-MAN was axed when they decided to add BLR flights. However, immediately after that came SARS and BLR launch was pushed back to the end of summer.

All of this is a moot point now though with the ASEAN open skies deal that allows SQ daily flights to BOM/DEL/MAA/CCU and unrestricted frequencies to selected secondary airports like AMD (which will launch next month).
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