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Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:28 am

Some aviation news from Switzerland:

- Edelweiss will likely get rid of its sole A330-200 and revert to a short-haul only fleet.


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- Helvetic (the Swiss pseudo low-fare airline) load factors went up slightly in May: 34.6% compared to 31.6% in April and 33.8% in March, still a long way from the 55% breakeven and 70% target. The leisure routes are doing well, 95.4% to Alicante, 73.9% to Palma and 71.1% to Malaga but the business routes rather disastrously, 11.25% to Brussels and 26.6% to Vienna.

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ka
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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:39 am

Interesting that Edelweiss might get rid of their A332. I spoke to one of their captains 3 weeks ago and I was under the impression that they are actually thinking of leasing a second a/c.....

Would be really sad to see this magnificent bird to disappear.

KA.
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Capital146
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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:41 am

How much longer will Helvetic allow the profits from their leisure routes be erroded by the terrible performance of some of their 'business' routes. It's not as though some of their routes are even close to breaking even. At the end of the day they are running a business, which means profitable routes must stay and the unprofitable ones must go, otherwise the future could be bleak.
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airways
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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Mon Jun 14, 2004 5:46 am

Helvetic is no longer flying to Brussels. The route was stopped in May due to the poor loads.

The Edelweiss ruomor is really interesting. Haven't heard about that before. Is that from an internal source? But where will Kunoi's passengers fly then? Will they increase the partnership with Belair? Could there be a cooperation with Lauda Air?

By the way, is there some kind of cooperation with Novair at this point? Novair is also part of the Kuoni group, as Edelweiss.

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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Mon Jun 14, 2004 5:48 am

It would be a shame if Edelweiss get rid of their A332. They are common visitors to Egypt (along with the A320s).
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ScottishLaddie
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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Mon Jun 14, 2004 7:49 am

Also, Swiss are returning to EDI with a charter flight from Zurich this summer.
 
Speedbird747
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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:19 pm

Maybe Edelweiss will just get rid of the actual A330 and lease another one. They are paying 700'000$ a month as leasing rate. Currently, there are other A330's available at 410'000$ a month. We'll see what happens.

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flyalot
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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:36 pm

Just a thought about helvetic.... why don't they serve Geneva??? I understabd that having an aircraft based in GVA will not be profitable but they should think about it.... As ALC and VLC are very popular destination for them.. they should CXL one of their "business" dest. and fly something like ZRH-ALC-GVA-ALC-ZRH or even better ZRH-VLC-GVA-VLC-ZRH... don't forget that the america's cup will take place in VLC and Alinghi is based in GVA....
 
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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:47 pm

really EDI? read in the newspaper yesterday they will start-up BSL-LCY again with Saab 2000 (hmmm...)
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RJ100
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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:59 pm

GVA-VLC will be served by new Swiss airline Helvetic Wings during the America's cup (and GVA-BSL in exactly one week  Big thumbs up )

And yes, Swiss is starting BSL-LCY on August 30 three times a day. To my surprise they are not cutting an existing destination in BSL but reactivate a 7th Saab 2000!

Regards,
RJ100

P.S.: Looks like Kuoni will use Belair in the future. A shame to see the beautiful Edelweiss A-330 go but there is overcapacity in this market so it is logical that one airline need to cut back.

[Edited 2004-06-14 09:01:50]
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Lionel
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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Mon Jun 14, 2004 5:12 pm

Very sad rumors. The Edelweiss A-330 is definitely one of the most beautiful birds in ZRH!
 
airways
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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Mon Jun 14, 2004 6:40 pm

GVA-VLC is also served by FlyBaboo. At the moment, they're flying once a week, but I'm sure they will increase flights if there is enougth demand.

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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Mon Jun 14, 2004 6:50 pm

Helvetic have no plans to serve GVA, at least this is what they told me in answer to my e-mailed question.
As to GVA-VLC, FlyBaboo will be serving this destination as of 26 June, however, once a week only, hopefully the beginning of a more frequent service in the future.
There must still be potential for a GVA-Alicante flight (judging by Helvetic high loads on this destination and based on the relatively large Swiss residential population around Alicante and the professional traffic of trademark people between WIPO in Geneva and the European Trademark office in Alicante). Ditto for GVA-Seville in view of the sheer population of Seville and its developing industrial importance. I flew both destinations several times with Crossair before they discontinued these flights and the planes were always reasonable full. Why not a GVA-Alicante-Seville-GVA flight to start with? Helvetic could have done it, however, as they are Uniquely focused on Zurich, we may have to rely on FlyBaboo to develop such connections out of GVA.
 
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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Mon Jun 14, 2004 7:55 pm

Yes we are lucky that Flababoo is taking the GVA-VLC. Unfortunately they will serve it only one a week on saturday which make almost impossible to use it unless you are going on vacation for 1 week... but no business of week-enders can take it ! At my point of view they should have started with a 2 weekly service like THU-SUN for exemple... so that they would have atteracted more people.... time will tell...
 
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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:07 pm

The leasing company which owns Edelweiss' A332 is not likely to encounter any problems in remarketing the aircraft to another operator. As far as I know there's not a single A332 that's currently parked and there's a couple of airlines that would be more than interested to consider the likelihood of adding an A332 airframe to their fleet. Malaysian and Etihad are just two that come to mind.

 
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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:10 pm

It is quite surprising. But they just say they cancel the current contact where they have to pay a monthly 700'000 USD leasing. They didn't say that they would lease another plane, isn't it?
Is there also a possibility of a stronger cooperation with Belair on long-haul flights?
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RJ100
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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:33 pm

BTW, Helvetic is giving away free return flights on ZRH-AMS for a certain period of time. So you only have to pay one way (99 Euros + taxes)!

That's quite a good offer...

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swiss-airplane
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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Mon Jun 14, 2004 11:10 pm

Hi RJ100
I really wonder how many full paid tickets Helvetic has?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy they give all the time free tickets are half free tickets away..
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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Mon Jun 14, 2004 11:26 pm

Hehe you're right  Smile

It seems like Amsterdam is not doing very well. At least they have very good results on flights to Spain.

I'm thinking about taking the Amsterdam flight if I only need to pay one way. Do you know until this offer is valid?

Cheers,
Thomas
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RJ100
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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Mon Jun 14, 2004 11:28 pm

Ah well I can answer my own question. It lasts from June 12 until August 1.

RJ100

[Edited 2004-06-14 16:38:18]
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foxdelta
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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Mon Jun 14, 2004 11:35 pm

FlyBaboo might not be able to fill their planes on flights GVA-ALC/VLC/SVL due to payload restrictions. Also it is expected that Iberia (via Air Nostrum) will fly VLC-GVA in the near future due to America's Cup in VLC in 2007.

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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Tue Jun 15, 2004 5:12 am

FoxDelta: why should there be payload restrictions on Spanish destinations out of GVA? Can't the Dash 8 make it with at least a full pax load to ALC or SVL?

It would be good news if IB/Air Nostrum were to open VLC-GVA, hopefully at a higher frequency than FlyBaboo. Hope this new flight is not relying too much on traffic generated by the America's Cup in VLC as it is a temporary event due to take place in 3 year only!
 
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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:02 am

Edelweiss is NOT getting rid of its A330s, only renegotiating for a better lease.
 
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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:39 am

Jbangert: GVA-VLC on a Dash-8 should take approx. some 2hrs 15minutes depending on winds. It is starting to push the limits of the aircraft as far as payload vs. range...

As far as a GVA-VLC flight is concerned, it appears that indeed it would have some connection with America's Cup 2007. Crossair used to operate the route a few years ago, before all the Swissair mess.

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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Mon Jun 21, 2004 11:29 pm

Today Helvetic Wings started operations on the routes Marseille-Geneva and Geneva-Basle with Beech1900.

Another Swiss airline in the sky. I wish them good luck  Smile

RJ100

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swissgabe
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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Mon Jun 21, 2004 11:51 pm

Helvetic Wings (T7) is even loaded in the CRS. They fly doble daily GVA-MRS vv. The GVA-BSL vv. flights are not yet loaded in the system.

Wish them good luck too ...
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RJ100
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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Mon Jun 21, 2004 11:58 pm

GVA-BSL is in the system too but you have to fill in MLH because the flight officially leaves in the French sector of the airport. I have been there recently and TwinJet, which operates the flights for Helvetic Wings, has their own information/booking desk there (they are already operating twice daily MLH-Marseille flights).

Regards,
RJ100
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Unique
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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Tue Jun 22, 2004 12:57 am

Helvetic is getting their 6th Fokker 100 tomorrow (HB-JVF, c/n 11466, ex N1454D).

Swiss International is getting their 9th A340-300 tomorrow as well (HB-JMI, c/n 598.
 
ChrisZRH
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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Tue Jun 22, 2004 2:38 am

isn't helvetic retiring one F100 from service during summer, due to bad loads?
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swissgabe
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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:15 am

Thanks RJ100. But shouldn't MLH be displayed as well if I enter BSL? I will double check tomorrow ...
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Pearyland
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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:23 am

Are you sure that Edelweiss is going to retire its A330s?

I heard that someone behind Edelweiss, who is responsible for leasing of the Aircrafts, is not satisfied about the current, to high, leasing rates.

Edelweiss will get new Long Haul Acfts soon, although from a new Leasing company.

Can anyone of you confirm my Information?
 
RJ100
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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Tue Jun 22, 2004 2:31 pm

Hi Swissgabe

At least if I check flights on amadeus I need to fill in MLH for flights that leave the French sector, otherwise it won't show the flights. For instance BSL-ORY does not work although that there are 8 flights a day.

Regards,
RJ100
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Speedbird747
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RE: Some Swiss Aviation News (Helvetic, Edelweiss)

Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:14 pm

@ ChrisZRH

Helvetic is also flying some charters for Kuoni and Helvetic Tours. In my opinion they're gonna use all six planes. Loads on these charters are not too bad I think. Have a look at this link:

http://www.helvetic.com/Default.aspx?PageID=Charter

Cheers
Simon

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