cayman
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AC New YYZ To BOG And CCS Question

Wed Jun 16, 2004 2:23 am

If memory serves, the new non-stop services for AC from YYZ to BOG and CCS must have started up by now?

Anyone know how the loads are?

I booked my wife from CCS to YYZ return in late July and when I did the advance seat selection online I was pleasantly surpised to see the a/c (A319) fairly full both ways on those dates already. I am quite curious if anyone knows how they are doing?

I believe I read that AC has already made decision to upgrade to a 762 YYZ to BOG in the Fall/Winter months? Must be some reason to believe good loads?

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RE: AC New YYZ To BOG And CCS Question

Wed Jun 16, 2004 2:47 am

I believe AC's flights to CCS begin JULY 1. This holds true for BOG as well. They operate only every second day on an A319. You have only to visit:

http://www.aircanada.ca for further information
 
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RE: AC New YYZ To BOG And CCS Question

Wed Jun 16, 2004 2:58 am

According to Amadeus, CCS starts July 1st, BOG July 2nd.

BOG is indeed upgraded to a 762 for the winter. Not sure whether it's load or range driven. The YYZ-BOG route must surely be the longest AC 319 route?

As for loads, you can check loads on www.itn.net Mike.

Cheers


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RE: AC New YYZ To BOG And CCS Question

Wed Jun 16, 2004 3:11 am

Not sure whether it's load or range driven. The YYZ-BOG route must surely be the longest AC 319 route?

...and add to it that the route starts at an aiprot located at 8300ft above sea level.


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RE: AC New YYZ To BOG And CCS Question

Wed Jun 16, 2004 3:21 am

Thanks for that info--those dates must have been pushed back because I thought they were originally scheduled to start the service mid June?

Neil, I too was wondering whether the 762 upgrade would be load or range driven? But if the 319 has the range in summer months, unless loads change that would not differ in winter right? On the other hand, I would not have thought that BOG would be a hugely seasonal route--although i suppose many more latin Americans in canada would be more likely to return to S America during winter in canada--

 
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RE: AC New YYZ To BOG And CCS Question

Wed Jun 16, 2004 3:28 am

I know the loads or demand on these flights prob do not require larger birds as per say from MIA but these flights have to be around 5 hours or a bit more or am I way wrong? From MIA to CCS is just over 3 hours. Seems like a verrrrrrrrrrrry long time to be on a small A319. What do you guys think?
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RE: AC New YYZ To BOG And CCS Question

Wed Jun 16, 2004 4:56 am

Actually, YYZ-BOG is shorter than YVR-YHZ, which used to be operated, sometimes with the 319!
 
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RE: AC New YYZ To BOG And CCS Question

Wed Jun 16, 2004 5:06 am

According to amadeus, the YYZ-BOG 319 flight will be 6:25hrs. That is a very long flight for a 319! Given that BOG is at 8300ft, there must be a restricted payload on the return BOG-YYZ segment!

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RE: AC New YYZ To BOG And CCS Question

Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:05 am

May be it's just a dream but I'd love seeing AC's 340 flying to Colombia

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RE: AC New YYZ To BOG And CCS Question

Wed Jun 16, 2004 9:25 am

Maybe it's just a dream

And you dare to doubt it?  Big grin


I guess that even asking for more than a 763 would be too much...



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RE: AC New YYZ To BOG And CCS Question

Wed Jun 16, 2004 9:58 am

The upgauge to the 767-200 is load driven for the winter season. It's not aircraft (range) driven, as the A319 is planned for a succesful operation until the fall/winter season.

The 767-200 will operate the North American Executive Class product to both CCS and BOG, while the 767-300 will operate with the International Executive First product.
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RE: AC New YYZ To BOG And CCS Question

Wed Jun 16, 2004 9:25 pm

I was just flying with our Chief Pilot Flight Technical, and queried him about the BOG-YYZ flights on the A319. He said a lot of thought went into the selection of the aircraft.

The A319 can fly from BOG to YYZ with a full pax load, baggage, an additional 4000 KGs of freight, and have a YXU (London, Ontario) alternate. But only just ... if winds are stronger, or weather requires a further alternate, then a stop enroute is required, or less freight will be carried.

The winter schedule change to the B767-200 is acknowledgement of a lot of factors; stronger winds, greater pax loads, more unstable weather and higher freight uplift in the winter/holiday periods.

FYI, the inaugural YYZ-BOG is on June 30, and YYZ-CCS is July 1. Both flights presently are about 60% full.

Also, and I found this interesting. The A319 can fly BOG-YYZ with 120 pax, (the normal capacity). The A320 can also fly BOG-YYZ, but only with 120 pax (normal capacity is 140), and the A321 can do it too ... but with only 120 pax! (normal capacity is 166). Makes sense to send the A319.
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RE: AC New YYZ To BOG And CCS Question

Fri Jun 18, 2004 12:37 pm

Just to tell you, Colombian Aeronautica Civil Director flew today to Ottawa in Canada in order to discuss the final details and sign the bilateral agreement between Colombia and Canada, of course he had to stop at EWR well, guess what, US immigration authorities stopped him and interrogated him for more than two hours in a "torture chamber" at the airport, he lost his connecting flight to Ottawa and was treated like a criminal even when he was on official mission; finally he was allowed to continue to Canada on another flight....now, if he had doubts about the need of sign the agreement now he should not have any no doubt about it! He'll sign the agreement ASAP so many Colombians with Canada as final destination will not have to suffer US immigrations abuses any more!!

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RE: AC New YYZ To BOG And CCS Question

Fri Jun 18, 2004 9:13 pm

Get Over It...thats security policies now a days UNFORTUNATELY! and it doesn't just happen to foreigners, many people LIVING IN THE U.S. get pulled over also. But coming from fragile countries who have major security issues, it should be expected...do not be surprised by it. Read the news today, major article on changes for INS to make the process go smoother for in-transit passengers.

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RE: AC New YYZ To BOG And CCS Question

Fri Jun 18, 2004 10:47 pm

No, we are not going to get over it. If there are better alternatives we are going to choose them.
Many people already choose not to transit through he US. Iberia may well disband its MIA hub. American polices are not doing any favours to its aviation or its tourist industry.
If prices are keen, I may well choose to connect in Toronto on my way to BOG. Canada seems like a friendly country. Also Its past and present foreign policy has not earned it as many enemies, or even created them.
 
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RE: AC New YYZ To BOG And CCS Question

Fri Jun 18, 2004 11:37 pm

You said...their are alternatives so if an extra hour in security is such an issue then take the alternatives. The Iberia thing is so old...already. If it happens it happens. Not a matter of the US not being friendly...INS doesnt speak for a country but like I said UNFORTUNATELY they have issues with security.

Oye cachaco no te me insultes pana! solo haciendo un comentario chico...la situacion en EEUU no es nada facil..pero ya eso cambiara.
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RE: AC New YYZ To BOG And CCS Question

Fri Jun 18, 2004 11:45 pm

The Iberia thing is so old...already. If it happens it happens. Not a matter of the US not being friendly

So if it happens, what is the reason? Because as far as I know IB's hub in MIA remains being profitable for them.


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RE: AC New YYZ To BOG And CCS Question

Fri Jun 18, 2004 11:51 pm

If it happens it is because people do not like waiting in line for security and find it a bother if their asked questions or make them feel "suspicious" so like any other major company and in this case IBERIA, customer service is a major priority. The only thing that is keeping IBERIA from leaving MIA is the fact that the majority of the flow and profits that come from these flights are from MIA based pax that fly to Central America. Making these flights very profitable as you said SOUTHAMERICA. As discussed in previous posts as well, IB studied moving the hub to HAV, SDQ, SJU but MIA at the end was more profitable even with its US Security Checkpoint setbacks. It is a give and take situation...Unfortunately sometimes Security checks are a pain in the rear but what can you do?
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RE: AC New YYZ To BOG And CCS Question

Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:01 am

Nothing personal MIASkies! It's just that I did have a bad experience whilst arriving at EWR once. I was traveling with my parents and brother. We all went to the Immigration desk together, and whilst the rest of the party were allowed to carry on, I was asked to see an immigration officer. Only reason I can think it's that I had a Moroccan immigration stamp! Arabic writing must not have gone down well!
And Southamerica, as for MIA disbanding, I guess that IB's business can only improve to Central America if there are no US visa restrictions. Passengers must be getting annoyed and delayed at having to pick up their bags on transit, and having to clear immigration at MIA. Though as MIASkies has said, things maybe changing...
 
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RE: AC New YYZ To BOG And CCS Question

Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:06 am

The Morrocan stamp was prob it...I was stoped in Paris last year when I visited Morroco and when I arrived in NYC and MIA as well...so it happens to everyone..as you can see! Have a good weekend everyone...
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RE: AC New YYZ To BOG And CCS Question

Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:18 am

MIAskies,


Unfortunately sometimes Security checks are a pain in the rear but what can you do?

You said it yourself in your two last posts.

First you said that the Iberia issue was so old, and you showed like a somewhat skeptical position towards the problem, not wanting to accept that their hub is indeed being moved, directly or indirectly, due to all the fuss with security in the US.

But then, in your second post, you actually say the contrary, and answered your own question.


Anyway, I'm not getting nowhere with all this. The possibilty of making all the Central America flights direct from MAD is being studied for now.

But, IMO, US security without a doubt is such a pain, that this alternative with AC can be really feasible if that means earning yourself the hassle of immigration in the US.


SOUTHAMERICA


P.S.: Take it easy MIASkies. Nothing personal here either.
 
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RE: AC New YYZ To BOG And CCS Question

Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:21 am

bark bark bark...hahahha i love it.
I meant its so old like "its been discussed over and over and over again"
and not answering my own question...just stating what has been said "over and over and over again"

ps. its beautiful in MIA right now..clear skies and 88 degrees...how could I not take it easy? ha!

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RE: AC New YYZ To BOG And CCS Question

Sat Jun 19, 2004 2:44 am

He could have connected thru MEX.
I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.

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