latinaviation
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Air Surinam

Wed Jun 16, 2004 9:35 pm

Has anyone heard of Air Surinam before? Are these guys for real or is this wishful thinking? Here's a link to their website: http://www.air-surinam.com/index_en.html
 
A388
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RE: Air Surinam

Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:12 pm

Looking at their website, I would say it is wishful thinking. The website looks too amateuristic, the aircraft types don't "match". On top of the website you see a Boeing 767-200 in Boeing colors, while on the other pages, you see a Boeing 767-400 in Boeing colors. Furthermore there's no mention on any ticket rates, and they only offer business class as far as their website goes. How can they compete with other airlines if they only have business class with
"sharp prices". The phone numbers are also mobile numbers, which makes this airline 'suspicious' as well. They look like that other airline that wanted to start flights from New Orleans to Amsterdam and Brussels via Curacao using a 747.

I would say, they are fake but that's just my opinion.

A388
 
AMS
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RE: Air Surinam

Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:25 pm

I Agree with A388,

This website does not look so professional, and also it does not give any
direct information about this Service?!

Could this be a money scam??
I cannot confirm this for 100%, but lets see!


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AMS
 
soups
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RE: Air Surinam

Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:36 pm

looks like a 14 year old boy did this.... fare is X euro inclusive of food how odd
Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
 
AMS
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RE: Air Surinam

Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:43 pm

On the website there is also a link to a radio conversation between the directors and people (In Dutch). It seems they are planning a flight in the end of June AMS-PBM, with a stop somewhere.

I just don't understand why I did not hear anything before about this?
still I don't know if this is genuine??


Regards,
AMS
 
soups
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RE: Air Surinam

Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:51 pm

looks UNPROFESSIONAL to me... lets see if they oerate what kind of service
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C130HERCULES
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RE: Air Surinam

Thu Jun 17, 2004 1:26 am

Yes I have seen Suriname Airways DC 9's from Paramariabo. I have never flown on them and the website seems very amateur but do give them credit for making an attempt. They are making an effort it seems.
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C130HERCULES
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RE: Air Surinam

Thu Jun 17, 2004 1:29 am

Sorry, I neglected to mention saw these DC-9s were late evening arrivals at POS. Not sure of the frequency or the pax loads.
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peteinmiami
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RE: Air Surinam

Thu Jun 17, 2004 2:37 am

C130HERCULES you said they were Suriname Airways but the question is about Air Surinam!!!!! Two different birds!!!!
 
C130HERCULES
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RE: Air Surinam

Thu Jun 17, 2004 5:48 am

Hmmm I am sorry.  Sad I need to do my homework  Smile
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jwenting
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RE: Air Surinam

Thu Jun 17, 2004 5:58 am

Site is hosted in the Netherlands by novaxes.net who do seem to be a professional Dutch hosting/internet access provider for businesses.
Customer list includes some respected companies and institutions, they do not cater to individuals.
http://www.novaxess.net/
To me that makes the idea of a scam less likely, but wishful thinking is of course quite possible.
Amateurish design is a feature of many startup websites, they don't have the resources to hire someone for the job of building a website so do it themselves using some stock artwork and website templates from Dreamweaver or Frontpage.
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Yazoo
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RE: Air Surinam

Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:41 am

but Jwenting let me ask you this, Dont you think that a company that can Afford to buy/lease aircrafts can afford to pay a web designer to design their website or something like that? I mean, as far as I know, designing a website is not all that expensive, or am I wrong?
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ra-85154
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RE: Air Surinam

Thu Jun 17, 2004 5:00 pm

At least Air Surinam does not have anything to do with the SLM/Surinam Airways, their website has a much better look

http://www.slm.firm.sr/
 
LJ
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RE: Air Surinam

Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:07 pm

On the website there is also a link to a radio conversation between the directors and people (In Dutch). It seems they are planning a flight in the end of June AMS-PBM, with a stop somewhere.

The new aviation treaty between The Netherlands and Surinam is very clear. Untill 2006 no scheduled airline allowed besides SLM and KLM. As of July 2004 the treaty allows one Surinam charter airline and one Dutch charter airline. However the treaty stipulates that the airline is only allowed one weekly flight and may sell only 60 seats per flight to non inclusive tour passengers. This means that all other seats must be sold in combination with a tour package (usually minimum pre booked two nights stay in a hotel or pre booked tour at destination).

However, I doubt there are slots available at AMS for Summer 2004.

BTW given all the hoaxes lately (first JetsSky, then an airline wanting to fly between Amsterdam and CUR) I doubt there is much credibility to the Air Surinam plan.
 
kl713
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RE: Air Surinam

Thu Jun 17, 2004 7:29 pm

There's a lot of discussion going on about Air Surinam on the Dutch-Surinamese site waterkant.net.

According to a post on the forum over there, Air Surinam reached an agreement with the Belgian authorities to operate a weekly PBM-GEO-BRU service operated by Universal Airlines. But according to someone else, plans to fly to BRU were cancelled, he called with the head office in New York. A very strange story.....

Another article that I catched on the site, from the Dutch financial paper "Financieele Dagblad", that SLM will cooperate with the Exel Aviation Group on the AMS-PBM route...........

loads of things going on in Surinamese aviation right now........I wonder how all this will work out eventually......
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jwenting
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RE: Air Surinam

Thu Jun 17, 2004 7:59 pm

Dont you think that a company that can Afford to buy/lease aircrafts can afford to pay a web designer to design their website or something like that? I mean, as far as I know, designing a website is not all that expensive, or am I wrong?

Maybe so, but not everyone has the same priorities.
Maybe they think they have a good site as it is, maybe some family member of the company owner put it together and everyone is afraid for his job to criticise it (no laughing, I worked for a company where that exact thing happened with our website).
Maybe they are just cheap, or have a limited budget for anything except the aircraft.

And are the aircraft theirs or will they operate wetleased jets as required like Air Holland used to do when they couldn't get their 757s and 767s certified (of course Air Holland then didn't pay for the leases and went under but for a while it can work) until they have enough income to lease their own.

I worked for a startup myself. We hired a design firm to create us a website, and the result was a mess.
Except some of the graphics and the general idea I rewrote the entire site from scratch over the course of a few weeks.
Maybe they have met a similar problem but lack the expertise to do the rewrite.
That design firm cost of €20K, a lot of money for a 4 person company that's living off the life savings from the company owners until they have a product that can be sold (for which that website was the main channel...).
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RE: Air Surinam

Thu Jun 17, 2004 8:37 pm

My favourite bit is on the services page, and I've put it in bold. Check it out.

Passenger Air services (economy):
Low-Seasons max. price 599 Euro; High –Season max. price 849 Euro. These rates are inclusive food and drinks. Traditional Surinam food will be served. Vegetarians are requested to inform us at booking time. Also halal food is possible.

The rates are exclusive visa cost and exclusive airport taxes.

Passenger Air services (business class):
Sharp rates!!

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latinaviation
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RE: Air Surinam

Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:07 pm

According to a post on the forum over there, Air Surinam reached an agreement with the Belgian authorities to operate a weekly PBM-GEO-BRU service operated by Universal Airlines. But according to someone else, plans to fly to BRU were cancelled, he called with the head office in New York. A very strange story.....

Could be. Universal is Guyanese, but most of their offices (and founders) are here in New York. Personally, I think Universal will sign a deal with anyone - they've had plans to fly from New York to Ghana, Trinidad to West Africa, etc., but nothing notable, except for one charter flight from Guyana to Ghana, developed. They have a sole 767-300ER, so they're pretty limited as to other work they can take on. And as posted earlier this week, they also plan to start service to Manaus, Brazil and Toronto, as well.

Maybe Air Surinam will turn out to be another Air SXM.
 
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RE: Air Surinam

Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:55 pm

If I'm not mistaken Universal Airlines sued the Dutch State because the Dutch wouldn't give Universal any slots at AMS. However Air Surinam can't sell AMS-GEO-PBM unless the people deplane at GEO. If not the flight would fall under the Dutch-Surinam aviation treaty (which is very restricted for Air Surinam).
 
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RE: Air Surinam

Fri Jun 18, 2004 12:13 am

There was an article in DWT a month or so ago (May 20th), and which states that so far there are 3 or 4 different aviation activities or companies that have been given permission to fly elsewhere or operate from PBM.

One was Heli-Jet the helicopter company in Suriname, requested to expand
from Helicotter service to airplanes. Not sure what the status is of this...

Then there was SIVA-International, I'm also not sure about the status of this. Offer PBM-BRU service. (Maybe this one is Air Surinam)

Then SLM also requested PBM-BRU service, but this one was denied by the gov. for competion reasons...

And finally there was another company that got permission to offer flights to Africa and the Middle East. I believe they mentioned Freetown, Sierra Leone; Accra, Ghanna; and Dubai.
Also don't know the status of that right now and who would be doing this operation.

Well, i also heard that Universal wanted to expand PBM services. (maybe acquire a second 767 to do this operation) But if AMS denied service, they will try to find other options i guess... Hey, if they can make money some way, they'll try it.

About Air Surinam, heard this one is legit(not sure) but are still in the phase of planning and other stuffs, I'll try to find more info on them and ask around...!
Update coming soon!

Competition here we come!!

Anair80...

Any one knows any other updates on these services... or others...?
 
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RE: Air Surinam

Fri Jun 18, 2004 4:41 am

Slightly off topic but tomorrow the SLM flights will start with a leased 747 from Air Pullmantur (in full Air Pullmantur c/s and registration EC-IUA). Scheduled departure from AMS is 12:45. Small detail is that KLM will not codeshare on this flight.
 
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RE: Air Surinam

Fri Jun 18, 2004 4:43 am

Its just one of those 419 scam things.


 
Alessandro
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RE: Air Surinam

Fri Jun 18, 2004 6:11 am

Definitly a market for competition on the routes from Benelux to Surinam,
anyone knows if it would be possible to operate Luxembourg-Surinam?
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RE: Air Surinam

Fri Jun 18, 2004 9:17 pm

Forget Unprofessional...it looks shitty! I think a 5th grader could come up with a better website!! Definetly not real...let's just stick to Suriname Airways. Didnt they just acquire some former KLM 743'S?

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