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AA Super 80 Nose & Tail "fin"

Thu Jun 17, 2004 1:47 am

AA M82 with black nose:

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AA M82 without black nose:

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why the difference?

AA M82 with "rectangle" tail fin

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AA M82 with "cone" tail fin

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why the difference?

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citationjet
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RE: AA Super 80 Nose & Tail "fin"

Thu Jun 17, 2004 1:50 am

I would suggest you do a search. Both of these questions have been asked and answered numerous times in the past.
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RE: AA Super 80 Nose & Tail "fin"

Thu Jun 17, 2004 1:51 am

Thermodynamics and english units don't mix...
 
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RE: AA Super 80 Nose & Tail "fin"

Thu Jun 17, 2004 1:52 am

Can't address the nosecose issue, but the subject of the different tailcone styples comes up all the time. Search for "screwdriver" tail and I'm sure you'll get some hits, including some recent ones.

In a nutshell, they went to the screwdriver tail for better aerodynamics...

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RE: AA Super 80 Nose & Tail "fin"

Thu Jun 17, 2004 1:53 am

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ckfred
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RE: AA Super 80 Nose & Tail "fin"

Thu Jun 17, 2004 2:12 am

At first, I thought it was a former TW aircraft, but the tail number denotes that it was delivered to AA.

On the one hand, I never understood why the MD-80s had black nosecones. I don't remember any other jet aircraft having a nosecone painted black.

On the other hand, my guess is that by not painting the nosecone, there is some cost savings, either in the cost of the paint, or the few pounds of weight saved.
 
henpol747
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RE: AA Super 80 Nose & Tail "fin"

Thu Jun 17, 2004 5:58 am


The tail is only a matter of aerodynamics, a way of reducing drag.

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american762
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RE: AA Super 80 Nose & Tail "fin"

Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:40 am

The nose may have something to do with Ex-TWA aircraft, as they had a black nose cone. Just a guess. No proof of this.
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NightFlier
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RE: AA Super 80 Nose & Tail "fin"

Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:10 am

I checked the other forum and didn't see what I am about to say. This is not from my own knowledge but I was told once by a GulfStream mechanic the reason why some airplanes have there noses painted black is so that pitting in the nose caused by wind a debris can be seen quicker. But I also asked him about planes with a blended nose cone to match the rest of the paint on the plane? He told me that the manufacture can paint the nose cone to match the rest of the plane but a base color that stands out is painted underneath that top coat. He also told me replacing a nose cone can cost a lot of money but is very important when it comes to the radar system on the aircraft. He even mentioned how pitting in the nose cone, even when they are small can cause interference in the radar system. Maybe some one can back me up on this one, this is what the GulfStream mechanic told me.
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RE: AA Super 80 Nose & Tail "fin"

Thu Jun 17, 2004 11:14 am

So another question here, Can a DC-9 be fitted with a Screwdriver Tail cone and would it help any??
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RE: AA Super 80 Nose & Tail "fin"

Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:33 pm

So is AA getting rid of the black nose? I certainly hope not, because I think they look great with the black nose, and not so great without it.

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RE: How High Have You Been In An Aircraft?

Thu Jun 17, 2004 1:23 pm

The non-black nose cones started as the TWA MD-80's came in. As for why some of the original AA 80's dont have the black cones I dont know.