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Connecting From LHR To LGW

Thu Jun 17, 2004 5:53 pm

My brother is booked on BA from Copenhagen to Bordeaux next week. This obviously requires a change of airports, arriving from CPH to LHR and continuing from LGW on to France. (not the flight I myself would have choosen).

As being an aviationgeek (..proud of it I am) I was asked to find out some details about groundtransportation between LHR and LGW.

I was surprised to find out that the coachfare is not included. BA does not pay for this. (And they did not inform my brother about this either).

My question to someone well-informed out there is this:

Is the National Express coach the best link between LHR and LGW? Are there any cheaper direct connections between LHR and LGW (National Express is GBP17)?

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Sammyhostie
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RE: Connecting From LHR To LGW

Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:00 pm

Hiya, I both live next to LGW and work there as crew, and frequently have to connect to LHR from LGW and vice versa.

There are 2 ways really:-

The Gatwick Express rund from Victoria to LGW every 15 mins, and is about £8.00 (off peak).

To get this just hop on the heathrow express into London, and make your way to Victoria.
Or you could get the tub from LHR around London and get to Victoria that way.
The Gatwick express goes straight into the South Terminal at LGW.

Or...The National Express Coach runs about every 50 mins I think (check www.go-by-coach.com)
The single fare is £17, and it is scheduled to take an hour, but because of the M25 this is a conservative estimate-It can take up to 2 hours at rush hour!

I think the coach is an easier option, but if your brother wants to take the tube around London etc, the Tube is best.

Cost wise, the Coach would work out a bit cheaper I think, rather than buying lots of seperate tube tickets.



 
sabenapilot
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RE: Connecting From LHR To LGW

Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:27 pm

Gee, your brother must be nuts to book this flight!

As if there are no other options like AF, LH, SN/VEX etc all routing through a single hub!
 
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RE: Connecting From LHR To LGW

Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:34 pm

Show your BA connection-ticket and you get a free ticket for the bus. I hope that you connection is long enough? It takes at least 1h to go from LHR to LGW.

Since you are arriving in T1, you are very close to the Central Bus Station. But I would visit a BA ticket counter first (they will explain you where you have to go for the free ticket).

@Sabenapilot: SN to BOD?  Big grin
EDIT: sorry, you were probably referring to the fact that the VEX CPH-BRU fact is operated by SN? Anyway, due to the late flight time of the BRU-BOD service, SN/VEX is not really an option (unless you afford the money for an additional hotel night)

Frederic

[Edited 2004-06-17 11:44:53]
 
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RE: Connecting From LHR To LGW

Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:35 pm

Frederic,

That usedto be the case with the free ticket, but not anymore.

I say this as an ex BA CSA who left 3 months ago!

They stoppe it quite a while back, but the pax still try it on!
 
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RE: Connecting From LHR To LGW

Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:42 pm

Wow, what a pity...

AF still does it for pax who have to connect from ORY to CDG. Why did BA stop this? Quite annoying because pax who want to fly BA sometimes HAVE to connect.

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RE: Connecting From LHR To LGW

Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:45 pm

BA stopped it becuase of their "Shape Size and Future"program, seems unfair, especially as there is no direct route to LGW.

In the 90's they used to have a helicopter route to and from, It worked really well and wasnt that expensive either!
But thats progress for you!


Actually, on that note ARN, youre brother wont be able to thru-check in his bags bcos he's going onto LGW.....

 
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RE: Connecting From LHR To LGW

Thu Jun 17, 2004 7:08 pm

Yes indeed Frederic, I was referring to the VEX flights CPH-BRU-BOD (Since SN is going to take over VEX, I might as well start making some reference to them too... Smile/happy/getting dizzy) but I didn't check their schedule...

Anyway, BA is a pain in the a** on this route, If I were your brother ARN, I'd check AF (although you might have the same problem with CDG/ORY) so that might leave you with LH which certainly offers flights through a single hub...
 
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RE: Connecting From LHR To LGW

Thu Jun 17, 2004 7:16 pm

The early AF departure out of ARN connects to BOD via CDG - no need to schlepp to ORY.

** AMADEUS - TN ** BOD BORDEAUX.FR 01JUL04 08JUL04
1 AF1263 1 ARN 5 CDG2D 0650 0930 0 CONNECT CDG 319
AF7622 1 CDG2D BOD B 1105 1225 0 21JUN04 25OCT04 320 5:35
2 AF1263 X16 ARN 5 CDG2D 0650 0930 0 CONNECT CDG 319
AF7622 X16 CDG2D BOD B 1105 1225 0 08JUN04 29OCT04 320 5:35
3 AF1263 6 ARN 5 CDG2D 0650 0930 0 CONNECT CDG 319
AF7622 6 CDG2D BOD B 1105 1225 0 03JUL04 28AUG04 319 5:35
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RE: Connecting From LHR To LGW

Thu Jun 17, 2004 8:04 pm

Thanks guys, for all the info.

I suggested AF (or LH) to my brother but apparently BA was cheaper. Dunno if it still is given the fares between LHR and LGW.

Your friend at the tarmac,

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RE: Connecting From LHR To LGW

Fri Jun 18, 2004 12:34 am

Here's my question.. how does BA get your bags from LHR - LGW?
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RE: Connecting From LHR To LGW

Fri Jun 18, 2004 12:41 am

They don't

You do.
 
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RE: Connecting From LHR To LGW

Fri Jun 18, 2004 12:50 am

LOL.. you're kidding me! On a CONNECTING flight, you have to reclaim your bags and check them in again? That is ridiculous!  Wow!
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RE: Connecting From LHR To LGW

Fri Jun 18, 2004 12:57 am

BA fly from the North Terminal at LGW to BOD, so allow an extra 15 minutes to get from the South Terminal on the shuttle train to the North Terminal.

BTW Maersk fly from CPH-LGW.
 
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RE: Connecting From LHR To LGW

Fri Jun 18, 2004 1:00 am

BCAInfoSys - its an interairport transfer, can't really call it a connecting flight. If you fly DL shuttle BOS-LGA connecting JFK-NCE also on DL, they won't check your bags thru (ask me I know !) - you collect them at LGA, drag 'em on the bus with you, and join the mile-long check-in queue at JFK.

I'm not aware of any interairport transfer where the airline will transfer your bags for you, especially these days.
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RE: Connecting From LHR To LGW

Fri Jun 18, 2004 1:10 am

Thanks for the response JGPH1A, I've never really thought about this situation. I guess it makes sense, but it's still retarded.

Oh wow.. I can't believe that's even offered as an option. Seems to be very inconvient to me, and would likely not be a good PR/Customer Service situation if you ask me. I'm just glad that I pay a lot of attention to my exact routings and whatnot so I don't run into this kind of situation...

Pathetic.
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RE: Connecting From LHR To LGW

Fri Jun 18, 2004 1:25 am

BA used to (IIRC) transfer bags LHR-LGW and vv, but that was a while back (when the bus was free as well !). Now with the security situation being what it is, and the luggage leaving the secure area of the airport and being transferred by van or whatever on public roads, the risk is too high. Of course the fact that it saves BA money not having to do it is entirely beside the point !

Yes it does suck, but that's life. Inter-airport transfers are never a brilliant idea, I avoid them if at all possible. The DL BOS-LGA X JFK-NCE thing was not my choice, the ACA flight BOS-JFK was late, so they put me on the shuttle to LGA. They did lay on a Town car from LGA to JFK for me, so at least I was spared the bus. It was Dec 2001 so JFK was a complete zoo, I would have had to join literally a mile long queue to clear security but I stomped to the front of the queue and did the "Oy I've been inconvenienced, rerouted, I'm not standing for this" foot-stamping at the poor harassed DL guy, and he let me jump the queue (yes my bad, but really I wasn't in the mood to miss my flight home).
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RE: Connecting From LHR To LGW

Fri Jun 18, 2004 1:28 am

JGPH1A You beat me to it!

It is not a connecting flight - the passenger has an origin and destination in two different countries, transferring through a third with the two airports 40 miles apart. This means that if the bags were to be transferred between LHR and LGW it would mean that the vehicle would have to be Bonded by HM Customs. There used to be a service like that, but regretably an unfortunate BA driver of one of these vehicles was involved in an accident on the M25 Motorway from which he died. I won't go into security aspects of such a transfer - I'll leave that to your wildest imagination! However, as we haven't been told the actual BA flights details, I wouldn't mind betting that this journey is on two separate tickets, CPHLHR, LGWBOD, which means again, that they are not connecting, and you wouldn't 'officially' be allowed to through check them, even at the same transfer airport. Anyway BA stopped the physical transfer of baggage between LHR and LGW some time ago!

The helicopter service stopped when the M25 opened - more like early 80s, rather than 90s.

The best way to transfer is with the National Expresss coach which I believe not only collects people from all the terminals at LHR, but also goes to both North and South Terminals at LGW - and it is one simple get-on, get-off, journey!

Bon voyages!




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RE: Connecting From LHR To LGW

Fri Jun 18, 2004 3:36 am

I'm sure is not actually sold as a 'connection' anymore. As it is 2 completely different airports, miles apart, it is effectively two seperate flights, to 2 different places as opposed to 2 flights with one ultimate destination.

It begins the 'Is LGW actually a London Airport' debate again.

I mean we all know that LGW is 'London Gatwick', and at times can be quick to get into London, but to be truthful, the only real 'London Airport' is LHR, as it actually falls under a London Borough, whereas LGW is in West Sussex!!

Hmm!





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RE: Connecting From LHR To LGW

Fri Jun 18, 2004 3:33 pm

G-BOAF - inter airport connections are sold as connections in terms of fare rules etc - they just have a much much longer minimum connecting time. The pax can be through checked (ie. he can be given his boarding cards for both legs) but his bags can only be tagged as far as LHR - he has to drop them again at LGW for tagging to final destination.
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RE: Connecting From LHR To LGW

Sun Jun 20, 2004 6:54 am

The bus is the best way to go between LHR and LGW - it can be snarled in traffic on the M25 but it is still the most convenient and cost-effective. Do not take Heathrow / Gatwick Expresses - they cost much more put together plus you have to use the Tube from Paddington station to Victoria station - another hassle in itself. If he were to take the tube from LHR he would still have to change lines to get to Victoria (which is not on the Piccadilly line) - he would either have to change to the Circle line at South Kensington or Victoria line at Green Park to get to Victoria. Actually a cheaper train service to LGW operates from Victoria by South Central Trains but takes a bit longer - there are also services from London Bridge by Thameslink but that station is even more of an ordeal to get to.

The fact that he had to use such a roundabout route to get to Bordeaux is the most interesting thing about all of this - but he should go by bus to catch his onward flight.

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RE: Connecting From LHR To LGW

Sun Jun 20, 2004 3:25 pm

Thanks again folks,

Trintocan:

My brother´s aim was only to get to Bordeaux as cheap as possible. And BA made the best offer.
But of course the week after he had bought the non-refundable ticket Maersk Air (LCC) annonced a new nonstop service Copenhagen - Bordeaux for this summer. Dunno the frequency though.

He will however enjoy a cool descent into Heathrow (if it is over downtown London) and two landings and takoffs during the same trip. But he is no a.netter so these advantages could be very vague to him.