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Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Sat Jun 19, 2004 4:26 am

For those who have been asking how successful WN has been over at PHL, the link from today's Philly Inquirer Business Section tells a bit about it.

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/business/8950628.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp
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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Sat Jun 19, 2004 5:24 am

Isn't this the same "headline" we see whenever, wherever Southwest opens a new station? Seems to me it invariably turns out this way because of the vocal ones who hope to see Southwest fail, who have become experts at grasping at straws to "convince" us that "this time it will be different" because the incumbent basket-case legacy/would-be-cartel airline "has an all-new and effective strategy up its sleeve to beat Southwest at its own game."

Oh well, wrong again! What's new?

Next, I imagine we will be hearing the same predictable response (perhaps with a slightly different spin) from same crowd about how Southwest's success at PHL is a fluke brought about by some sleight-of-hand and chicanery. Wrong again; there most certainly is some sleight-of-hand and chicanery involved in Southwest's success, but not on their part. Rather it is such nonsense on the part of the legacies that has consumers looking for a what-you-see-is-what-you-get alternative, a need met quite nicely by Southwest.
 
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Mon Jun 21, 2004 3:51 am

From a Dallas Morning News Article posted in another thread:

The carrier announced 18 flights to launch between September and October, its biggest expansion since the September 2001 terrorist attacks. None of the new flights are from Dallas Love Field.

Consultants say they think Southwest will have even more aggressive plans in short order.

"I think Southwest is sensing that the industry is on the cusp of a huge shakeout among the legacy carriers," Mr. Garfinkle said. "Their growth will be even more than they've let on so far."

An excerpt from an article which ran in the Seattle Post Intelligencer :

"This is the next wave of Southwest service. There are going to be a lot more waves this year and next," said Chief Executive Jim Parker Thursday.

Parker said the airline's launch this year of service to Philadelphia has been the most successful city launch for the airline ever in terms of demand.

And then, from the article posted in the thread starter:

Southwest, known for starting small and growing slowly when it has launched service elsewhere, started in Philadelphia with 14 flights a day to the six cities. It plans to add another 14 a day to seven more cities in July, and in September, it will begin a Saturday-only nonstop flight to a 14th city, San Diego.

That is the most new service the airline has ever started from one city in the first two months, Kelly said. "It has every sign that it will continue to grow."

The Southwest officials said Philadelphia could have about 40 flights a day within a few months. The airline has only four gates, in Terminal E, at Philadelphia airport, which will limit its growth unless it can find more.

This current "wave" of 18 new flights just announced (none from PHL) takes effect on September 15th and October 4th. I'll bet you anything the next wave of new flights will once again involve PHL and will commence between Oct 29 (when Daylight Savings Time ends) and the end of the year.

Question - I remember when Southwest first announced PHL they were to use the four gates but there was a chance they could get four more for a total of eight. Are these other four gates existing ones that are occupied by other airlines now or are they gates yet to be built?

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Mon Jun 21, 2004 7:05 am

"Are these other four gates existing ones that are occupied by other airlines now or are they gates yet to be built?"

No, the four gates will be new, they too will be located at D and were financed two years ago for approximately $40 Million. The project should actually begin soon now that I think about it. I also remember hearing the gates will be at the end of D to create a hammerhead.
 
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Mon Jun 21, 2004 7:35 am

a bit of a correction on PHLapproach's post. The 4 new gates that Southwest will get will be new gates that are built at the end of Terminal E, the same terminal Southwest is currently using(not terminal D, where 4 new gates were built on a hammerhead about a year ago).

Last i heard contruction plans for the new gates called for an extention at the end of Terminal E(somewhat like a hammerhead) to allow for 3 more gates(not 4 anymore), which all would most likely go to Southwest.
 
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Mon Jun 21, 2004 7:39 am

Growing too fast. They need to slow it down a little bit.

 
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Mon Jun 21, 2004 8:41 am

Growing too fast. They need to slow it down a little bit.

They have a self-impose growth cap actually. It was one of Herb's ideas (suprise suprise) and he has inforced it with an iorn fist on occasion. I want to say it is 12.5%, and with the size of their existing network, 12.5% is still rather huge. If any corperation has the leadership to pull this off, it is WN.
 
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Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:15 am

No we have not grown fast at all. It's about time we start picking back up the pace! Rumor has it the 3 wave of PHL is coming this year SAN,OAK.SEA-PHL N/S are coming 7 days a week! lgbNOTguy
 
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Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:17 am

The bigger issue is going to be ticket counter space. Having lots of flights is great but if you don't have enough Agents and computers to check in all those people what good is it. They need to work on getting Delta/Air France out of there so they can take over those ticket counter positions.
 
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Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:31 am

Trust me they will make it work as long as they can. Look at SNA they worked out of a make shift ops for 9 out of the ten years here. There CSA and Ramp breakrooms are like 15 by 10..Hell Ops was only about 5 by 5 only until useless airways left it was real fun on a shift change 11 people in one small room! Now were getting a lot bigger and rumor has it 10 more flight coming sometime next year..We make BIG BANK in SNA so it's worth the price of a small breakroom ECT..I would love to see flights to TUS,ABQ,MDW and BWI..and of course 1 or 2 more LAS and PHX flights...LGBnotGUY
 
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Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:02 pm

Does anybody know how US is doing on their competing routes. Thanks.

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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Tue Jun 22, 2004 12:32 pm

First off I'd take anything The Philadelphia Inquirer has to say about WN with a huge grain of salt.

Not that WN hasn't been sucessful in PHL. It's just that the Inquirer has been blowing so much sunshine up WN's collective a$$ you'd think that WN's marketing was writing the articles for them.

What I'm most intersted in is WN's on time rate out of PHL. We have had a very bad month of afternoon storms and ground delay programs, which everyone in PHL predicted. WN said they where not worried about PHL's delay problems, well now they have had a taste of being 20th in line to take off. One can't help but wonder how this is affecting them. Loads maybe great during the summer time but there ontime reputation has to be taking a beating.

BTW I've see the New Mexico flag plane and I've seen the Arizona Flag Plane, Anybody know when Shamu will be coming to PHL?
A little less Hooah, and a little more Dooah.
 
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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Tue Jun 22, 2004 12:36 pm

The on-time rate is horrible there is no way it can be good, PHL has ground stops due to WX almost on a daily basis. Oh wait , hold on a second, the ground stops are only for US, DL, CO, UA, NW, and AA flights. WN is immune to them so they can run on time. Just wait until winter time, if you think its bad now it will only get worse. I smell increased costs for our little golden child WN in PHL. Lets see the Enquirer write something about that!!!
 
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Tue Jun 22, 2004 12:52 pm

Is that something going on with PHL lately? It is pretty soon will began more flight from PHL to LAX, HOU, MSY, RDU, MHT, PBI & FLL.
 
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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:02 am

Having lots of flights is great but if you don't have enough Agents and computers to check in all those people what good is it

WN did install some additional self-check-in kiosks along the enclosed pedestrian overpass leading to Terminal E, which is close to the security check-point line.

No doubt that during peak periods, WN agents are directing those who don't have luggage to check-in to use the kiosks at the overpass to check-in and print out their boarding passes.
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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:16 am

The bigger issue is going to be ticket counter space. Having lots of flights is great but if you don't have enough Agents and computers to check in all those people what good is it. They need to work on getting Delta/Air France out of there so they can take over those ticket counter positions.

In addition to the expansion at the gate area, there is also a plan in the works to expand and consolidate the check-in areas at Terminals D & E similar to the Terminal B-C project of 10 years ago. This expansion will also improve and expand the security check-points at D & E as well. This will definitely help passengers that have code-shares on CO/DL/NW as well as WN passengers.

At present, it is planned that the construction of both of these facilities will be performed in one bid package (the same architectural firm is involved on both both building expansion projects).

If all goes well, the project should be completed in about 2 years; it's still presently in the design phase.

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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:39 am

I don't think WN would merely be able to get AF and DL to leave... That's so silly...

D & E are desperately in need of enlarged ticketing areas though. I was in E last week around 6PM and it was a total zoo, but at check-in and at security. Hopefully there will be improvements soon.
 
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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Wed Jun 23, 2004 2:16 am

Hopefully there will be improvements soon.

Haveric,

Read the preceding post (#16) before yours.

Change is on the way, but it will take a while.
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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Wed Jun 23, 2004 2:28 am

First off I'd take anything The Philadelphia Inquirer has to say about WN with a huge grain of salt.

I'd take anything from that newspaper as socialist propaganda!  Nuts

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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Wed Jun 23, 2004 2:47 am

"PHL has ground stops due to WX almost on a daily basis... WN is immune to them...I smell increased costs for our little golden child WN in PHL"

So why the increased cost? A paradox covered up with witty sarcasim can't hide your true feelings of WN : "I don't fly them, never have and never will". And as YOU pointed out, these WX etc. delays affect EVERYONE, so thank yourself for promoting and forecasting WNs sucess at PHL.

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Wed Jun 23, 2004 11:20 am

LHcapt2007, its common sense that will tell you that when a plane is sitting on the runway awaiting takeoff during a ground stop it is burinig fuel, that is a cost and the more you burn waiting for takeoff the more your costs rise. It also causes more wear and tear on the engines because they are running longer. If the flight is scheduled for 2 hours and they are sitting on the ground for 1 1/2 hours thats 3 1/2 total hours and you have just added 1 1/2 hours more on the engines and 1 1/2 hours more fuel burn which means maintainence will be comming up on them sooner, that equals higher costs. Do i dislike WN, HELL YEAH!! I think they are garbage, even if I had a free ticket to fly them I wouldn't. Success in PHL..LOL!!! you are kidding right??, what they got 25 or so flights a day?, who cares?? Ill stick to my free travel on US and if I really need to get there and cant afford to be bumped ill buy a ticket on anyone but WN. Like I said in some earlier posts it makes me sick to have to work one of their charters, the only reason I do it is because we get paid good for it, otherwise I could care less what happens to it.
 
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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Wed Jun 23, 2004 11:33 am

If WN starts transcon flights from PHL, more damage will be done to US. In the event that US goes under, the delays will becoming shorter anyway!
 
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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Wed Jun 23, 2004 11:44 am

Freshlove...while you're jumping with joy that WN will see increased costs in the form of delays, you gotta remember that US is also experiencing those same increased costs. So the question becomes - which airline can afford them? They certainly aren't getting those costs covered by your "free" tickets. And last I checked, US was precariously close to filing chapter 7 and closing the doors.
 
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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipa

Wed Jun 23, 2004 11:55 am

If WN starts transcon flights from PHL, more damage will be done to US.

WN already opperates these routes non-stop -

PHL-LAS
PHL-LAX
PHL-OAK
PHL-SAN
PHL-PHX

http://www.southwest.com/travel_center/routemap_dyn.html
 
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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:05 pm

Freshlove was kind enough to write in, and says:

>>its common sense that will tell you that when a plane is sitting on the runway awaiting takeoff during a ground stop it is burinig fuel, that is a cost and the more you burn waiting for takeoff the more your costs rise.<<

Fuel cost waiting for takeoff is an expense, but it is not particularly burdensome. The 737-700 is notoriously fuel efficient and oh by the way, better to burn fuel when you have 80% of your fuel needs hedged at $24 a barrel, eh?

>> It also causes more wear and tear on the engines because they are running longer. If the flight is scheduled for 2 hours and they are sitting on the ground for 1 1/2 hours thats 3 1/2 total hours and you have just added 1 1/2 hours more on the engines and 1 1/2 hours more fuel burn which means maintainence will be comming up on them sooner, that equals higher costs.<<

If the delays get too nasty, perhaps the Captain can shut one of the engines down while they idle at the end of the runway.

>>Do i dislike WN, HELL YEAH!! I think they are garbage, even if I had a free ticket to fly them I wouldn't. <<

We've sort of noticed your anti-WN bias in previous posts.

>>Success in PHL..LOL!!! you are kidding right??, what they got 25 or so flights a day?, who cares??<<

It's not the passengers they carry on those 25 flights a day (14 now, soon to be 28, and shortly thereafter going to 44 per day) - It's what WN's preesence in the marketplace does to the overall fare structure US can get away with charging. With WN plying the airways from PHL to PVD, for example, at a walkup fare of $79 and an advanced purchase fare of $49.....USAirwats will not be able to keep an average fare in that market of over $300 each way for very long. The same is true elsewhere. And oh by the way...WN judges markets not by how many passengers they take from somebody else. rather, they judge success by whether or not they are making a profit. You and your friends at USAirways should try it sometime, profits are nice.

>>Ill stick to my free travel on US and if I really need to get there and cant afford to be bumped ill buy a ticket on anyone but WN.<<

I am sure they will miss you.

>> Like I said in some earlier posts it makes me sick to have to work one of their charters, the only reason I do it is because we get paid good for it, otherwise I could care less what happens to it.<<

With an attitude like that, it is not surprising your company is in bad shape.
 
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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:05 pm

I am flying Southwest from RDU to PHL at the end of July. Round trip ticket was $78.00. You can't beat that. CLT-PHL was over $600.00 on US Airways on the same dates. Hopefully everything will run smoothly and I have clear weather. I'm going on a cruise that leaves out of Philly. I have the first flight of the day, so I am giving myself all day to get there just in case.
 
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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:06 pm

CHAPT.7 not even close, where are you getting your info??? US is doing just fine right now, and hopefully when the pilots and F/A's agree on a deal things will get even better. US is here to stay sorry to inform you all. DL and UA are in more trouble right now then US is so lets bash them a little and get off US for a while. Actually no one should be bashing anyone(except me bashing WN because I can) lets see what happens over the 6 months and then we will see who is staying and who is going.
 
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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:17 pm

Fresh

Time will tell for US Airways.
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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipa

Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:18 pm

US is doing just fine right now, and hopefully when the pilots and F/A's agree on a deal things will get even better. US is here to stay sorry to inform you all

Funny, a certain US former executive who shall remain nameless was rather blatant in saying a certain LCC was a grave threat to the survival of the airline.

Actually no one should be bashing anyone(except me bashing WN because I can) lets see what happens over the 6 months and then we will see who is staying and who is going.

Ah... nice to see you believe in freedom of speach only for yourself  Big grin

Do i dislike WN, HELL YEAH!! I think they are garbage, even if I had a free ticket to fly them I wouldn't

Funny, free tickets are the reason I do fly them. There really is no better FF program than Rapid Rewards.

Like I said in some earlier posts it makes me sick to have to work one of their charters, the only reason I do it is because we get paid good for it, otherwise I could care less what happens to it.

"I'll work if I have to just because they pay well," and "I'd fly only if I had to." Son, you stick out of their coligal corperate culture like a sore thumb! I don't think WN misses you either. "

"Every party has a pooper that's why we invited you.... Freshlove"
 
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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:27 pm

Hey freshlover, I'm with you all the way. I don't care what all you guys say, WN is going in to KILL US, no matter if they loose money. I have talked to a lot of guys who are more involved in aviation that you guys and they agree.

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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:27 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if Freshlove were one of those US employees who were reportedly vandalizing WN employees' cars at PHL ...
"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
 
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Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:34 pm

That story was the biggest bunch of B.S. ever told. And if it was true instead of vandalizing the cars or what ever they were they should have blown them up. And for your info I do not work in PHL.
 
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Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:40 pm

I've had it. This WN-bashing is no more than freedom-bashing. If you don't like WN, fine, don't fly them. I don't like UA, so I don't fly them. I don't like DL, so I don't fly them either.

Hey freshlover, I'm with you all the way. I don't care what all you guys say, WN is going in to KILL US, no matter if they loose money. I have talked to a lot of guys who are more involved in aviation that you guys and they agree.

That story was the biggest bunch of B.S. ever told. And if it was true instead of vandalizing the cars or what ever they were they should have blown them up.

I've looked at your profiles, etc., and I'm convined that you resort to bashing WN because you feel threatened by them. This is America, Jack. If they can do it better than USAirways, then by all means, let them do it. Should US get "protection" from WN (like the boondoggle bailout that UA is applying for)? TIMES CHANGE. It may -- or many not -- result in US going under. Whatever the case, the country, the industry, and the US employees will make it. Meanwhile, let WN, its employees, and its passengers continue their quest to bring low fares to the rest of us, and kindly shut the fuck up.
"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
 
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Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:01 pm

I ordinarily don't reward gutter language, but ssides, welcome to my respected user list.
 
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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:05 pm

Someone might want to tell WN that people are not cattle and they should not be treated like it..OK lets heard them up it's time to board flight 105 to MSY. Offered on our flight today will be a feedbag containing various grains and select grasses which will be passed around for your dining pleasure, if you would like something to wash it down with there is a water trough located at the back of the aircraft where the swarm of flys are buzzing. Once again we thank you for flying WN airlines and hope to heard you up on another one of our flights real soon.
 
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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:08 pm

SSides I guarantee if you ask any airline employee, past and present, and I am talking about the ones that actually know something about aviation, and they will tell you how WN DESTROYED aviation. Yes they brought low fares, but they lost the glamour out of aviation. I was seating next to a F/A today and she said the same thing. People have to realize that flying isn't just a simple bus ride in the sky; 's a very difficult and expensive industry to keep it safe.

OH! You wont believe what I heard about WN. Except I am not going to post it here, I am going to post a new topic. You guys better check it out.

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Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:12 pm

"That story was the biggest bunch of B.S. ever told. And if it was true instead of vandalizing the cars or what ever they were they should have blown them up. And for your info I do not work in PHL."

Are you sure you aren't from Philly, that is a very Philly attitude, I mean these are the people who booed Santa Clause.... but honestly the Blown Up comment was not needed. If you don't like the free-market, I hear Cuba is hiring.

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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:13 pm

Freshlove----time to calm down. Let it go. Turn loose of your anger and hatred. It's a company, not a religious philosophy or political persuasion.

What difference does it make to you what WN does or does not do on board their flights? You don't fly them. If their service is as your describe, very few other people will either.

Incidentally, the boarding announcement goes something like this: "Howdy, y'all, if y'all are wanting to go to Houston on Southwest flight 137, better get on up here to the gate right now, we're fixing to load. And oh by the way if y'all are on the Continental flight that's broke down at the gate come on up, we still got room." (rather than as you described).

Bottom line: if they are as you describe, nobody will fly them, and you have nothing to fear. I think the real truth is they offer superior product than USAirways....at least when you compare apples-to-apples (the Y cabin)....and all things being equal folks are going to defect.
 
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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:25 pm

Superior product.....you are kidding right???
 
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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:33 pm

Nope. I think WN's one class cabin and service beats the Y offerings by all of the legacy carriers, with the possible exception of American's MRTC.

What do I get when i fly WN?

I get about 34" pitch, which means legroom...and though I am just 6'1" I have long legs (38" jeans")

I get a full beverage service on flights as short as 40 mins gate to gate.

I get a FF program where I can (and do) use the tickets that arrive like clockwork in the mail.

I get a full size mainline jet on every flight. I never have to worry about being cooped up in a RJ (also known as Barbie's Dream Jet)

If I am on an advance purchase cheap ticket, and I decide not to go for any reason, I get the full face value of that ticket back to apply to any Southwest ticket for a year.

In my case, and since I go to Dallas often, I get Love Field. From El paso to Dallas is about an hour and a half. When I go to DFW, I have spent more time on occasion getting my bag and rent car than I did in the air. If I go in to Love Field, I can be on the Stemmons Frwy 15 mins after wheels down.

About the ONLY thing USAirways (or any other legacy carrier) can give me is a seat assignment. And having been stuck next to people who needed a shower or should diet & exercise....I would just as soon select my seat once I am on the plane.

Will I pay a few dollars more to fly Southwest? Sure, but usually I don't have to.`

 
freshlove1
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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:37 pm

And having been stuck next to people who needed a shower or should diet & exercise..........sounds like a typical WN flight
 
txagkuwait
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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:41 pm

Actually, the worst flight I ever had, in terms of who I was seated next to, was on Delta from DFW to ATL. The couple seated next to me were attempting to join the "mile high club" beneath a blanket.

Almost as bad was on board a HP (mesa) RJ from San Diego to Phoenix where I was seated next to an individual who had to weigh at least 500 lbs. He was unable to lower the armrest. They weren't able to reseat me...America West suggested that if I was unhappy with my seat I could deplane and they would put me on priority standby for next flight (the following morning).

Freshlove, if you wish to delude yourself that WN passengers are a bunch of smelly, poorly eeducated hillbillies....be my guest. The fact you want to believe it does not make it so. Especially on the short hauls.....WN is first and foremost an airline for businessmen. Frequency conquers all.
 
UALPHLCS
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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:42 pm

Look I own stock in WN. I want it to make money. But I've been very skeptical from the start about PHL. I think ABE was the much better and more logical choice.

I predicted that US would drive WN out of PHL the way UA drove WN out of SFO. They accepted the delays of over scheduling the airport capacity. UA did it to WN with UA Shuttle in SFO with 17 flights to LAX alone. US is doing it offering more and more non-stops from PHL while pulling down PIT.

Meanwhile the Philly Inquirer is writing fairy tales about WN flying under all the delays. Yes that was a quote from a WN spokeman in a huge 3 page Sunday article a week or two before WN opened. Well you can't fly under a ground delay. And 20th in line for take off is 20th in line. For WN to make money they live and die by quick turns. Today I saw planes take delays of two hours out in the taxiways. In that time WN should have had those planes in MDW or PVD and getting ready to fly someplace else. THAT hurts WN.

A little less Hooah, and a little more Dooah.
 
freshlove1
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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:45 pm

Well stated UALPHLCS
 
alphascan
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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Wed Jun 23, 2004 2:04 pm

TAK:

I get about 34" pitch, which means legroom...

I was shocked when I read this. So I looked it up. Actually you get a 32"-33" seat pitch on WN aircraft. US has a 33" seat pitch on their aircraft.

Still, more than I thought and better than most legacies.
"To he who only has a hammer in his toolbelt, every problem looks like a nail."
 
johnboy
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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Wed Jun 23, 2004 2:19 pm

Frankly, what shocks me about this entire thread, is that the curmudgeon pissing in everyone's Post Toasties is in the 26-35 age range.
 
flashmeister
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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Wed Jun 23, 2004 2:21 pm

I was seating next to a F/A today and she said the same thing. People have to realize that flying isn't just a simple bus ride in the sky; 's a very difficult and expensive industry to keep it safe.

Yes, it's expensive to keep aviation safe. WN is doing it. No major incidents save the Burbank episode. None.

If you continue to think that WN is unsafe, you might want to run that by June Morris, who sits on the WN board. She's the founder and former CEO of Morris Air, and has been a stickler for safety from the get-go.
 
goingboeing
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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Fri Jun 25, 2004 1:36 am

SSides I guarantee if you ask any airline employee, past and present, and I am talking about the ones that actually know something about aviation, and they will tell you how WN DESTROYED aviation. Yes they brought low fares, but they lost the glamour out of aviation. I was seating next to a F/A today and she said the same thing. People have to realize that flying isn't just a simple bus ride in the sky; 's a very difficult and expensive industry to keep it safe.

Son...you might stop to ponder that while the "glamour" of commercial aviation is gone, were it not fore the low fares that deregulation and SWA brought about, your dad might not have a job flying commercial jets. Back in the "glamor" days, American Airlines had about as many aircraft as Airtran does today. Had the fares remained at the level that they were in the "glamor days", American Airlines wouldn't have nearly the number of planes...and without the number of planes, they would not have had many pilot positions open up, meaning your handle might be "SonofaFreightDog" instead.

Freshlove...I've posed this question before, but nobody seems to be able to answer it, so I'll ask you...what is the difference between sitting in the middle seat between two smelly people on Southwest because you were the last to board a full flight, and sitting in an assigned middle seat between the same two smelly people on a US flight?


 
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RE: Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated

Fri Jun 25, 2004 2:12 am

Does anybody know how US is doing on their competing routes. Thanks.

SOAC,

Ask and you shall receive; the below-article-link is from yesterday's Philadelphia Inquirer:

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/business/8987719.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp
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