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Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sat Jun 19, 2004 7:03 am

I haven't been on a FR732 in a while, so I was hoping someone here could help me.

When I was at BLK with the FR flight to STN (the morning one 732 - evening one 738) The FA's were complaining about the 200 series - they said things were falling off it and cracks were appearing around the doors and windows.

Has anyone noticed this? Is this dangerous?


I know FR is replacing it's 200 fleet soon, but not for another year (I think).

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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sat Jun 19, 2004 7:26 am


Stress cracks have been found in the skin of some of the 732's after their latest respray, so it will probably be only these that are withdrawn. As I understand it, the whole 732 fleet is due to be withdrawn by March 2005.

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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sat Jun 19, 2004 7:31 am

Thanks for your reply Dan,

I had a feeling it was next year

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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sat Jun 19, 2004 7:37 am

Deviating (quite a bit) from the main thread, but I was planning to go to Copenhagen in the end of the summer and wanted to book flights early (for the best deal). Easyjet offer return flights (Stansted-CPH) for £40 inlcuding taxes. Do Ryanair have flights to Copenhagen or one of those 'nearby' airports?
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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sat Jun 19, 2004 7:42 am

Try flying to Malmo MMX and cross the Oresund Bridge which will get you to Copenhagen in 30-45 minutes.
 
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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sat Jun 19, 2004 8:10 am

Hi Horus,
Ryanair fly to Malmo which is actually in Sweden not Denmark. However don't be put off, the transit time from Malmo airport to Copenhagen city centre is just 40 minutes by dedicated link. This can be quicker than the transit time from LHR or LGW to central London
 
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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sat Jun 19, 2004 8:47 am

320,

Yeah, it will be a shame to lose the 732`s, but I suppose it is what's called "progress". Still, we'll just have to make the most of them whilst we can, I think they are used the most on UK-Ireland, or other short hops such as DUB-BRS. Even the best of pictures don`t do them justice!


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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sat Jun 19, 2004 9:05 am

Yup, they are great little aircraft and they look great, but being honest, methinks it's time for them to go allright. They are just too noisy for starters and there have been a run of minor tech issues lately.

The aircraft being disposed of now, as plymspotter pointed out, were damaged during a respray where unapproved tools were used by the maintenance contractor. Many are now at Prestwick I believe having been flown at low altitude and unpressurised from Dublin.
 
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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sat Jun 19, 2004 9:44 am

Thanks for reminding me about the ones stored at Prestwick Snnams, I had nearly forgotten about them, they are;

EI-CJH
EI-CKQ
EI-CKR
EI-CKS

and there are some more stored at Dublin; EI-CJD and EI-CKP. Expect more to be mothballed as the 738's arrive, 2 more due next month!

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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sat Jun 19, 2004 1:36 pm

wasn't there a crack noticed by an aloha interisland passenger before they took off.

It decompressed at cruise altitude.
 
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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sat Jun 19, 2004 6:15 pm

PlymSpotter,

Yea it's a shame but they are too noisy - you have to shout to talk to the pax your sitting next to Sad

I was on the apron @ BLK with the FR flight (732), and had no ear protectors - so I stood quite far away, but still my ears were in pain after the start-up Sad

Snnams,

Thanks for the info Smile

Asteriskceo,

I think your right - I can't believe only one person died and they managed to land safely  Wow!

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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sat Jun 19, 2004 7:10 pm

on what routes are these aircraft most common?
 
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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sat Jun 19, 2004 7:12 pm

There always on the DUB-BLK-DUB route and the STN-BLK-STN in the morning

You'll see them a lot at MAN as well.

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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sat Jun 19, 2004 9:30 pm

From what I remember reading in this forum, Ryanair were in the process of replacing the 732s when the cracks were found. The damaged aircraft were all retired immediately and some aircraft were leased in to replace these aircraft until their planned replacement.

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I suppose that the FAs were complaining about the 732s that were retired, rather than the ones currently flying, which we hope are still in fine airworthy condition.

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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sat Jun 19, 2004 9:33 pm

Zweed,

Most of the remaining ones are still based at DUB. So, it's likely if you fly Ireland-UK, or Ireland-Charleroi, Girona, Malaga, Faro, Reus or Murcia, you'll fly on one.

All SNN services except CRL also use them, and there are a couple left at STN I believe, but I'm not sure of all the routes they are used on, but I think one of the two daily rotations to Kerry here in Ireland is on a 200.
 
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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sat Jun 19, 2004 9:35 pm

I'll be glad when those things are gone. Every flight I fly out of DUB with FR is on one of those noisy and scruffy aircraft. I feel sorry for the people who fly down to Faro and the south of Spain on them.
 
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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sat Jun 19, 2004 10:05 pm

Thanks Boysteve. Do you know how much it'll cost to get from Malmo to Copenhagen? Is it bus or train?
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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sat Jun 19, 2004 10:56 pm

hi guys... i am pretty sure i flew STN-Turin on a 200 in april so not just the shortest routes....it was old and horrible, nothing worked properly, the PA system screeched whenever an announcement was made, the seats and toilets were in a bad state. bring on the new planes!

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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sat Jun 19, 2004 11:48 pm

Craig,

The FA's were complaining about the aircraft they were going back on.

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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:02 am

Horus
There are no trains between Sturup and the city of Malmö, so your choices will have to be bus or taxi. Then from Malmö to Copenhagen there are busses/trains and whatnot =)
However, on Sturups homepage they advertise something called "Gråhundbus" and it's a direct buslink between Sturup and Copenhagens central station, twice a day in connection with Ryanairs movements. It takes 50 minutes. I don't know the price.
 
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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:05 am

Thanks for the info Jofa
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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sun Jun 20, 2004 1:02 am

Maybe the issue is that it's a 737-200??? A very old a/c........ Like any other a/c it will still have issues..

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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:12 am

Although Ryanair's 732s are all of relatively young '80s-build, their airframe hours are high and the abusive LCC operations accelerate ageing through short fllights and rapid turnarounds. Above all, as far as latest noise regulations are concerned, FR's 732s have to be the worst offenders in Western Europe. I'm surprised so many were found to have cracks, given that Lufthansa are supposed to maintain them, aren't they?

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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:28 am

It's also funny the way a lot of the 'fasten seat belt' signs are in a foreign language on the FR -200's, eg quite a few Dutch ones on the ex-Transavia aircraft, German on the ex-Lufthansa ones, etc.
 
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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:28 am

@Horus

FLYBUS 737 about 10EURO

Check this! http://www.ryanair.com/dest/copenhagentime.html
 
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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:34 am

Just to update about FR B732s.

Now there are on service only 14 out of 21 B732s.

10 based in DUB (1 used as bank up plane)
2 based in STN
1 based in SNN
1 based in LTN

 
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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sun Jun 20, 2004 3:16 am

I had no idea Lufthansa maintained FR.

Do they use there flight simulators for training too?

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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sun Jun 20, 2004 4:00 am

Guys if you want to see or fly the -200 GUARENTEED then fly LGW-DUB-LGW or vice versa. All of thweir many routes are -200's, no -800's here at the mo, so this is the best choice for GUARENTEED 732 flying!!!!!!!! I really need to get on one!!!

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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sun Jun 20, 2004 4:43 am

I'll be flying FR:

STN - PGF| FR936 | 6 July
PGF - STN| FR935 | 4 August

After reading this topic and replies.....: can someone please tell me I'm not flying the -200's of FR  Smile
Does anyone know which plane('s) I will be flying?

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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sun Jun 20, 2004 4:49 am

I was surprised to see the other day that Ryanair seem to be operating a 732 on their Bournemouth - Girona Routes. They always used to use a 738 on these routes and a 732 on the Bournemouth - Prestwick routes but they appear to have swapped?

Ryanair has, I think, operated a 732 on their Bournemouth - Dublin routes ever since it started. I guess that will change come April 2005.
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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sun Jun 20, 2004 4:55 am

They updated the 733 on the STN-BLK-STN route at night, to a 738 Smile

Much better - but the morning flight is still a 732 Sad

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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sun Jun 20, 2004 7:14 am

FR are also at NEMA operating three flights a day. The 732's seem to be used for the bulk of the work but an occaisional 738 comes in. You can tell the 732 from a good few miles away when they approach on runway 27. All you have to do is look for the dark smoke trails .
Yes they are a bit on the noisy side but they are little work horses. I will miss the sound of those thumping engines when they are finally phased out of the fleet.
Noise restrictions are now getting so tough so its not before time that these old birds have to go.

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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sun Jun 20, 2004 8:20 am

I'd personally much rather fly on an older and noiser 732 than a dull and boring 738. Long live the 732!
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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sun Jun 20, 2004 11:00 am

To those questioning why Lufthansa didnt sort out the cracks: it wasnt their doing, as explained above. A maintenance contractor were responsible for a re-spray of the aircraft and used unapproved tooling which caused small cracks. This was spotted by Ryanair who liased with Boeing (who described Ryanair's handling of the incident as "Pro-active") The decision was then made to retire the aircraft.

So to clarify, Lufthansa nor Ryanair were responsible for this occurence.
 
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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sun Jun 20, 2004 11:42 am

if you stand in the beer garden of The Airport pub at the threshold of runway 24 at MAN, and wait till you're behind an FR732 and its amazing! The floor shakes and the air crackles and pops! As close as we'll get to Concorde again!
 
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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sun Jun 20, 2004 9:27 pm

CKT523,

I know what you mean, I've stood under one when landing - just a few feet above me Smile

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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sun Jun 20, 2004 10:53 pm

I flew a Ryanair 732 yesterday, and it was showing the years, and was very scruffy on the inside, mind you, that morning I had arrived into LHR in Upper Class on a VS Suite configged B744 - so it was quite a come-down!

this was on the LTN-DUB-LTN route (a regular 732 service)

Whilst it was an experience, it was something I'd try and avoid in the future.
 
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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Mon Jun 21, 2004 7:47 am

The DUB-LTN service is definitely still a 732. The 733 (pictured above) and the 734 were acquired as part of the Buzz takeover and not as replacements for the 732. I understand that unless Ryanair can renegociate the lease rates on these aircraft, they will be returned to their lessors.

There will be no direct replacement of the 732. As more 738 enter the fleet, the 732 will go, although I don't think this was the original intention when the 100 odd 738 order was placed. However, the cracking caused by the bad maintenance of the 732 (by a 3rd party) together with the increased competition on LCC's in Europe has accelerated their demise.

Anyone know whether these 732 that have been found to have cracks will be repaired and put back in the air (with another carrier)?
 
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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Mon Jun 21, 2004 8:43 am

A340600 is right, this summer there are 6 FR 732 flights from Gatwick every day, this has goine up from 4 738 flights last year. These a/c are even louder than the DAS Cargo DC-10s that operate out of LGW, true pocket rockets.
Seeing them up close, some of them look to be in a bit of a filthy state, and I have heard the cabin crew complain on a few occasions about dodgy noisy door seals, etc. I don't think they will be missed.
 
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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Mon Jun 21, 2004 8:43 am

Any reason the FA's are just out there blatanly discussing these problems near passengers, where this is the last thing they would ever want to hear?  Big grin

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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Mon Jun 21, 2004 8:46 am

http://69.57.136.18/cvrfiles2//aloha243.wav

and than an excerpt from aloha.net:

"After the accident, a passenger stated that as she was boarding the airplane through the jet bridge at Hilo, she observed a longitudinal fuselage crack. The crack was in the upper row of rivets along the S-10L lap joint, about halfway between the cabin door and the edge of the jet bridge hood. She made no mention of the observation to the airline ground personnel or flight crew."



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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:52 am

i think that all the Ryanair flights to Dublin from edinburgh are operated by 732s, as i fly this route quite a bit - don't see the point in paying extra for aer Lingus - and i always seem to get one.

i hate them though.
 
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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Mon Jun 21, 2004 4:45 pm

Here for anyone is interested the physical rotation of the FR B737/200s fleet three friday ago:

1) DUB-BRS-D-BLK-D-BHX-D-LGW-D-BHX-D-LPL-DUB
2) DUB-STN-D-MAN-D-BRS-D-MAN-D-EDI-D-MAN-DUB
3) DUB-LGW-D-LGW-D-LGW-D-LGW-DUB
4) DUB-EDI-D-ABZ-D-LGW-D-BRS-D-STN-DUB
5) DUB-NCL-D-LPL-D-LPL-D-EMA-MJV-EMA-DUB
6) DUB-BHX-D-LBA-D-CWL-D-BOH-GRO-BOH-DUB
7) DUB-EMA-D-REU-D-BVA-D-NCL-D
8) DUB-MAN-D-MME-D-LBA-D-EDI-D-BHX-D-LBA-DUB
9) DUB-CRL-D-BVA-D-CRL-D-CRL-DUB
10) DUB___AOG___
11) SNN-STN-SNN-BVA-SNN-PIK-SNN-STN-SNN
12) LTN-DUB-L-DUB-L-DUB-L-DUB-L-DUB-LTN
13) STN-BLK-S-RDZ-S-HAU-S-GOA-STN
14) STN-AAR-S-DUB-S-KIR-S-AAR-STN



 
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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Mon Jun 21, 2004 5:17 pm

Does Ryanair (or any other EU LCC) have serious accidents until now? I know stories of years ago (LCC was not yet as common in EU) of fire in the cabin on the runway. But no planes are crashed. Does someone knows LCC stories?
 
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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Tue Jun 22, 2004 2:12 am

AirPortugal310,

Im not a passenger - it was said on the Apron. (if you check my occupation)

JCS,

I think there was one that leaked oil or something all over one of the runways...don't know which airport though Smile

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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sun Jul 04, 2004 5:00 am

It's a real shame for this aircraft to be fading out of the Ryanair fleet, i have been lucky enough to fly FR 732's on numerous occasions and i think they are really nice.
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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sun Jul 04, 2004 5:06 am

Those 732s were, in their day, a great little people mover. But seeing as they won't be able to fly within Europe from next year, then they sadly have to go. They are also a bit of a gas guzzler compared to modern aircraft.

Years ago (as a kid) I got to fly on a brand new 732, and can remember the shiny engines and spotless cabin. That 732 is still flying and making money today.

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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sun Jul 04, 2004 5:09 am

I understand a couple more (perhaps even 3?) of the 732's were retired from the FR fleet over the past week or two as more 738's were delivered.
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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sun Jul 04, 2004 5:12 am

Why anyone could get excited about flying on a 732 anymore is beyond me. They are becomming junk and are not particularly pleasant to sit on for 2hrs. A shiny new 738 or A320 please for me.
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RE: Ryanair's 737-200 Problem

Sun Jul 04, 2004 5:48 am

Apparantly it was -CJE (Jaguar livery) and -CJF which flew their final FR services in the past few days. The Jag livery was great, shame one of the 738's hasn't been given that paint job.
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