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Airtran 435 Diverted To FLL

Sat Jun 19, 2004 10:15 am

I was looking at flight tracker and found this morning that flight 435 MIA-ATL was diverted to FLL...it was an immediate diversion as it left at 8:45am and arrived at 8:53pm. The flight departed FLL at 9:41am, arrived at ATL at 11:04am...and was under 1 hour delayed to MCI!

any info on the diversion is greatly appricated...the weather here was great, so I don't think it was weather related.
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scottysair
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RE: Airtran 435 Diverted To FLL

Sat Jun 19, 2004 10:28 am

What happening with FL was landing in FLL today?
 
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RE: Airtran 435 Diverted To FLL

Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:50 pm

I'm interested in knowing as well.

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RE: Airtran 435 Diverted To FLL

Sat Jun 19, 2004 8:10 pm

TRS435 was not a diversion but in fact a scheduled flag stop to pick up passengers from a delayed FLL-ATL flight. It departed MIA 15 minutes earlier than scheduled to minimize the arrival delay in ATL so as to accomodate as many connecting passengers as possible.

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RE: Airtran 435 Diverted To FLL

Sat Jun 19, 2004 9:50 pm

Groundstop...thats the first time I've heard of this happening! Was the flight really delayed or cancelled and TRS435 REALLY empty...I'm sure the MIA passengers were suprised when they heard this! "Ladies and gentelmen, welcome to Fort Lauderdale!" "What?! We just left Miami!"
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RE: Airtran 435 Diverted To FLL

Sat Jun 19, 2004 10:44 pm

Nice work. Way to accomodate people with minimal disruption.
 
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RE: Airtran 435 Diverted To FLL

Sat Jun 19, 2004 11:45 pm

That's quite creative on FL's part. Congrats!

Does FL have customer service coordinators who plan events like these, or is that a function of dispatch?

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RE: Airtran 435 Diverted To FLL

Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:04 am

I seen about FL is everything ok now and will make begin bring them back normal schedule again today and will not make anyplace else into their cities.
 
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RE: AirTran 435 Diverted To FLL

Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:17 am

SOC coordinates any flagstops to pick up passengers, more specifically it is the passenger movement desk. We don't do a lot of the flagstops, but when we do, the go pretty well. Its a quick way to get passengers out of a delayed city, and to put them into the hub.
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RE: Airtran 435 Diverted To FLL

Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:21 am

The FLL-ATL in flight in question was running about 2 hours late due to MX. Since the next several flights to ATL were booked to capacity, there would've been very little reprotection for those customers. At the same time, Flight 435 was about half full and while not able to accomodate all the passengers in FLL, it did take care of the connecting pax. As far as how these decisions are made, its part of an internal collaborative decision making process involving ATL, the field stations in question, our Customer Relations IROP desk, and of course the Passenger Movement Desk in Dispatch (my new job).

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RE: Airtran 435 Diverted To FLL

Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:29 am

Jjbiv...all airlines do this. Its nothing creative on FL's part. As Airtran737 said, SOC makes the call given all the variables, then they do it. In 6 years at Alaska I have worked at least 10 flagstop flights. The most common being a PVR-SFO flight stopping to pick up passengers in Mazatlan to to delayed flight or MX. ALso, I have seen them stop to drop of a mechanic as well. So as I said, nothing new to the airlines.

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RE: Airtran 435 Diverted To FLL

Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:39 am

I experienced this on an Eastern 757 from Atlanta-Phoenix-Tucson. We made an unscheduled stop at Birmingham to drop off passengers from a canceled or delayed flight. I remember when passengers were deplaning at Birmingham, a man across the aisle said to them, "Anytime yall want to go to Birmingham again, just get on a flight to Phoenix." We arrived in Tucson just about on schedule.

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RE: Airtran 435 Diverted To FLL

Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:05 am

Air Transat used to do this a few years ago...fly from YYZ to PBI and then on to FLL. Sounded like a useless waste of fuel.
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RE: Airtran 435 Diverted To FLL

Sun Jun 20, 2004 10:06 pm

Back in the day (well, happened many times in Tallahassee when I first go there, circa 1998) The last flight into Tallahassee was sometimes cancelled and the last flight into Pensacola made a stop in Tallahassee, at least once every few weeks. It was operated with a 727.
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RE: Airtran 435 Diverted To FLL

Sun Jun 20, 2004 11:22 pm

The odd thing about flagstops is that a passenger's view of how "good" an idea they are is usually colored by which "end" of things one is on.

If you're a passenger already on the flight that is being flagstopped, it's a horrible thing, since you'll now be a little late into your original destination.

If you're one of the passengers stuck in XYZ and awaiting the arrival of the aircraft that's flagstopping, you tend to view things as if you've got a confirmed seat on the last flight out of Saigon.  Big grin

As Groundstop said, many folks are involved in any decision to flagstop. It's one of the more fluid and dynamic situations in airline ops, and is often the lesser of several evils. If there are 50 or 60 empty seats flying around, they go "poof" when the aircraft lands, and one has to use those empty seats on a tactical basis sometimes....

Groundstop, CONGRATS on your new job. BTW, you'll -love- your new 737-700s, as they are real "problem-solvers" (and "problem-preventers")...  Big grin

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RE: Airtran 435 Diverted To FLL

Mon Jun 21, 2004 11:51 am

I LOVE the fact that airlines use the old railroad term "flag stop" to apply to this circumstance. In the olden days, the railroad equivalent of SOC (using only the telegraph to communicate) could order an express or streamliner to stop at a station through which it would normally pass by having the stationmaster signal the approaching engineer with a certain flag. This also applied where certain low-volume stations could board high-revenue pax onto streamliners via the same method. Interesting how we execute a century-old concept today -- very different but remarkably similar.

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RE: Airtran 435 Diverted To FLL

Mon Jun 21, 2004 12:06 pm

Several years ago I was trying to fly back home from ATL to Portland, ME (PWM)...Well, as luck would have it the airport was fogged in and we could not land, so we ended up flying down to BOS. Being that it was VERY late they put us in a hotel for the night. The next morning, Delta put us on the BOS-Bangor,ME (BGR) flight, and added a quick stop in PWM so we could all get off.
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RE: Airtran 435 Diverted To FLL

Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:55 pm

"I'm sure the MIA passengers were suprised when they heard this! "Ladies and gentelmen, welcome to Fort Lauderdale!" "What?! We just left Miami!"

Be assured that the Captain made an announcement before the departure from MIA.  Smile
 
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RE: Airtran 435 Diverted To FLL

Mon Jun 21, 2004 10:05 pm

Eastern Airlines CMH-ATL flight canceled. Then their DTW-ATL made a stop in CMH to pick up passengers (not that many) and went on to ATL.
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RE: Airtran 435 Diverted To FLL

Mon Jun 21, 2004 10:33 pm

>>>I LOVE the fact that airlines use the old railroad term "flag stop" to apply to this circumstance. In the olden days, the railroad equivalent of SOC (using only the telegraph to communicate) could order an express or streamliner to stop at a station through which it would normally pass by having the stationmaster signal the approaching engineer with a certain flag.

A common thread here is that both the railroads and airlines use dispatchers to take these kinds of actions...

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