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New AA Terminal At JFK

Sat Jun 19, 2004 10:13 pm

Just curious but does any one the current building status of AA new terminal at JFK and when it is expected to be complete?  Confused
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Sat Jun 19, 2004 10:42 pm

Sometime in 2007 but depending on AA financial situation
at the time. It is already a year behind schedule.
 
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Sat Jun 19, 2004 11:25 pm

I want to know where the link/souce is that said there will be no regional gates on the terminal. It was supposed to have 15-18 eagle gates. After Eagle reduced ops at JFK, it was said that the gates were scrapped. I do believe it, but I'd believe it more if there was a link. It was supposed to be a 56 gate terminal. If it now will have only 35 gates--what was the point? Why would AA spend $1.3 billion on a terminal that has only 10 more gates than their old terminals?

Please no rumors--just supply a link!  Smile

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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Sat Jun 19, 2004 11:37 pm

Welcome aboard with a.net today!!!  Smile
 
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:12 am

Not a rumor, but we are to move to the new terminal in April of 2004. They say they will open it up in stages. I will try to find a link.
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:19 am

AA767400-
April of 2004 was 2 months ago...
Did you mean something else?
please clarify.
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:24 am

Sorry! Just woke up this morning..... Smile I meant 2005, still looking for a link.
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Sun Jun 20, 2004 4:37 am

Yes the satellite terminal is to open up first early next year I believe...Will try to find out more info when I go to work today.
 
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Sun Jun 20, 2004 7:04 am

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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Sun Jun 20, 2004 7:21 am

Is the terminal still planned to be as big as Giant Stadium? Are there gong to be any regional gates at all?I saw it a few weeks ago and it looks to be taking shape. I heard that the midfield terminal will be opening soon but that AA asked the construction to be slowed down; the construction companies were really building it so fast and meeting and exceeding goals that triggered bonus payments...not good for an airliine that's loosing money)! It looks to be a really great looking terminal. Now if the PA can rebuild terminals 2,3,5,6, and 7 and have train that goes direct to Manhattan ala Heathrow Express. Love the ability to check in at Paddington and not have to worry about my bags until I get them at JFK!
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Sun Jun 20, 2004 9:29 am

The aviation industry, American Airlines, and the WORLD are alot different now then when AA launched the JFK Terminal redevelopment program in 1999.

The changes AA's is making with regards to the new Terminal's final design reflect new realities, it still will be JFK's premier Terminal when complete.

T-1, T-4 and the new AA T-8 will mark a significant change in JFK's aesthitics and practicality, the less terminals the better (for travelers).

The Port Authority is going ahead with plans to remake T5/6 into a single modern terminal with the core of the land mark T-5 building incorporated even if only for non aviation use.

That leaves only T2/3, which DL will spend money to fix the HVAC, update restrooms and modernize the baggage system.

The direct oneseat ride to Manhattan on the Airtrain will happen, but not untill sometime after 2012.
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Sun Jun 20, 2004 9:43 am

STT-When the one-seat airtrain ride is done, does that mean the LIRR connection will be cut (much to the dismay of us Long Islanders)?
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Sun Jun 20, 2004 9:55 am

No, the Airtrain will physically connect to LIRR's tracks at Jamaica station where connections from other Long Island lines can be made.

The trains would then either run into NY Penn or Lower Manhattan via a new tunnel from the Atlantic Ave branch to Fulton street.

The process is not going to be easy as several enginering and design obstacles must be cleared.

Airtrain's are automated, LIRR are not.

The Airtrain cars can run on the LIRR system, but they do not meet Federal crash standards that the larger MU LIRR cars have so a hybrid Airtrain vehicle to bridge to the two systems must be developed.

Besides the technological challenges there's also physical constraints, the Airtrain cannot operate to NY Penn until space is opened up when the LIRR starts sending some trains to Grand Central via the East Side Access project which will not be complete until 2012.

For the Airtrain to operate to Lower Manhattan a new East River tunnel mus t be built, with a price tag of $6 Billion that may have to wait until funding can be established.
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Sun Jun 20, 2004 1:28 pm

What will become of the magnificent stained glass window on the AA terminal? I've heard its the biggest in the world.
 
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:05 pm

AA will be out of business LONG before the new terminal is done. My guess is this will be B6's new home. B6 can then launch an aggressive flight schedule across the atlantic with new airbus widebodie.
 
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:35 pm

Workbench-Where's the punchline? American is, with the possible exception of Continental, the Legacy carrier on the sturdiest ground. Plus, jetBlue is rebuilding the Trans-World international terminal, and the resulting combined international/domestic terminal will likely be larger than the new American terminal, plus with the possibility for handling international flights. And what Airbus widebodies are jetBlue bringing in? The only aircraft type that I know of that will be new to the jetBlue fleet is the narrower-body E-190's...sorry, but American will eventually be using the new Terminal 8/9 complex...
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Sun Jun 20, 2004 11:53 pm

"and the resulting combined international/domestic terminal will likely be larger than the new American terminal"

The Jetblue T5/6 project will have 23 gates when complete, compared to AA's 35 gates when T8 is complete.

However LCCs such as B6 and WN have quick turn arounds and their aircraft have a much shorter gate dwell time compared to airlines like AA with larger 757s and 777s which take twice as long to turn around as a A320 or 737NG.

Which means B6 will most likely be handling more flights out of their 23 gates in a few years than AA will be from their 35 gates.

I don't see B6 operating anything but Carribean and Canadian flights for the next decade.
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Mon Jun 21, 2004 12:18 am

SHUPirate1-

AA has addmitted it self that they will likely loose $1.6B this year due to high fuel prices. AA had only $3B in the bank before the start of this year (ALL borrowed money.) Plus AA has the highest debt in the world (over $22B) They cannot stay in business. It is mathamatically impossible. My math teach even told me that! Infact AA only has 18% cash reserves- extremely dangerous. While B6 has 51% cash reserves.
I dont think fuel prices will ever come down to the point where they (AA and legacy carriers) can make money at current ticket prices. LCC can cause they are much smarter and more effishent at running a bizness. I may be off on my timing, but most if not all legeacy carries will go away.
 
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Mon Jun 21, 2004 12:38 am

STT-Is that the combined T5/6 project? I thought it was 23 for T5, and then remodeling T6 separately, with something fairly similar to the 16 that are there now...
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Mon Jun 21, 2004 12:44 am

Workbench, First off, you need some soap in that mouth. Second, You can't just go and say something so ridiculous, with no meaning. So sad to have hate issues at such a young age.
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Mon Jun 21, 2004 12:52 am

Therapist Joe says:

From the sounds of it, it almost seems like something happened on AA that scarred you for life. Something major must have happened...your mother wasn't on AA587 was she?

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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Mon Jun 21, 2004 1:12 am

Workbench.....Grow up man! A.net Is here for fun and opinions. If you are right, say "I told you so". If you are wrong, bite the bullet and admit " I was wrong". No need to swear on here.

You should be booted off in my opinion!

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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Mon Jun 21, 2004 1:37 am

If the new terminal is going to be bigger than the current one, does that mean that they'll be adding more international flights or more domestic flights? I personally guess it depends on their financial situation, but I'm sure they'll be profitable by 2007.

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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:53 am


AA will be out of business LONG before the new terminal is done. My guess is this will be B6's new home. B6 can then launch an aggressive flight schedule across the atlantic with new airbus widebodie.

FUCK YOU....You know its true AA is going BYE BYE...Long live B6

They cannot stay in business. It is mathamatically impossible. My math teach even told me that!


Let's see: You are a 13-15 year old kid who's been here since 1999. So that means that means you joined when you were 7-10 years old. That does seem like a TOS violation.

Your English is nothing short of awful and you have yet to formulate a single sentence that does not have a slew of grammatical errors.

Furthermore, you insult your fellow users with inappropriate language. Somebody should school you, son. And, I'm not talking about your "math teach".

What you do post can, frankly, only be labeled pure "bull crap". Made up figures mixed with nothing but made up lies does not equal a quality post. After five years, and posts like that, it is not a wonder why you RU rating is a big fat zero.

Please leave these forums you troll.
 
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Mon Jun 21, 2004 3:04 am

Flyboy, Workbench, even I'll take my own advice here (I was actually doing what I could to help, although it likely didn't come out this way) can we all be constructive here and stick to the topic, rather than getting into an argument over the credibility of Workbench's posts?

Administrators: Please make this message self-destruct along with the other posts from Reply 20 (where Workbench decides to speak in a manner that would offend and scar for life our younger audiences) if they are not germaine to the original topic. Thank you...
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Mon Jun 21, 2004 3:16 am

Workbench, why dont you just leave, and go back to playing with your dolls or something. You obviously aren't mature enough to post on here, so why not go back to doing some thing you are capable of doing. I second As739x's idea to boot you off. You couldn't spell if your life depended on it, your grammars terrible, and you shoot insults at anyone who disagrees. Quit acting so childish. Leave the forums, your constant "AA is going to die" posts are starting to piss me off. Did they do something traumatic to you when you were young or something? One would think it by reading your posts.

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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Mon Jun 21, 2004 3:55 am

I'll ignore Workbench's predictably childish AA diatribe and try to get the thread back on topic:

I seem to recall hearing that the stained-glass mural from the original 1961 American terminal (Terminal 8) would be preserved and incorporated into the Admirals Club of the new terminal. I don't think American will flat-out get rid of it, but who can tell these days...

I've been following the T8 construction with some interest... American was so gung-ho about it even after 9/11 (when they announced they were accelerating construction to show their commitment to NYC), and now they never mention it. The current T8/T9 setup can't be very convenient for passengers - two substandard terminals connected by a bunch of temporary corridors and roadways, with a giant half-finished building plunked down in the middle.
 
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Mon Jun 21, 2004 7:17 am

Workbench:

Thank you for showing everyone you're true nature and proving my point. BRAVO!!!!
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:03 am

Can we all get past Workbench's problems? According to his bio this individual hasn't even been alive for as long as I've been employed at AA. In fact, I was operating an AA pilots' BBS network before he was born. Pointing out facts to someone so young who is unable to listen/read is simply a waste of time. The message topic was AA's new JFK terminal. Stick to the topic and ignor him or her (wouldn't trust the bio that much). That's JMHO.
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Mon Jun 21, 2004 10:44 am

After looking at workbench's bio I don't think he's that young. His age says 13-15, however he joined in 1999. So at the very least he is seventeen. Or it's possible he's much older than he lets on. However I do agree with AAR90, it's just best to ignore him.
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Mon Jun 21, 2004 10:49 am

Last time when I was at JFK in the AA terminals, it looked like a complete shi7hole! I just cannot believe a country like US who claim to be such great leaders in the world have something like this in one of their most important cities. It is definitely one of the worst airports I expereience in the civilised world!!
Lounge Facilities = bad
Checkin Facilities = bad
Skycap service = bad

Everything is BAD and I want to stay away from these AA terminals (they look like run down train stations to me.
In contrast T7 is much better
 
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Mon Jun 21, 2004 11:33 am

Cx123:

When was the last time you were in the AA terminal at JFK? And how many other AA terminals have you been in?
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Mon Jun 21, 2004 12:34 pm

Cx123 you are just like workbench you hate AA and just about everything you say about them is negative. Lets face AA isn't the largest carrier in the world by horrible.
 
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Mon Jun 21, 2004 3:25 pm

Rpipcordd,

He's right about the old AA terminals at JFK. And I love AA.
 
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Mon Jun 21, 2004 3:33 pm

I travelled from JFK-BOS in Dec 2003

Back then the International terminal was still under rennovation, but the domestic is.....

I am not trying to be bias or anything, but the state that the AA terminal was in is horifying for a civilised country.

I am not saying AA is the worst airline in the world, but when they compare their overall product and amenities to the 5 Star Airlines, they are no where up there!

Other terminals I went to last year in Dec 2003:

BOS: Pretty ordinary as well
DFW: I cannot believe they call DFW a hub. It is old and the amenities is bad, and the stupid AA TrAAIN is terrible. Getting from 1 flight to the next is a nightmare!
LAX(T4): A bit better, but they have to do something about the security checkpoint there!! Even using the premium lane is painful.
IAH: Nothing special as there are NO amenities
PHL: Old but functional, the Admirals lounge is smaller then my Lounge room at home and it is on the Land side!
YVR: Nothing there (Not even a Business Class Lounge)
SFO: Terrible and Old, The New SFO international is much better (where UA is) and the Red Carpet Club at the International Terminal is much better then any Admirals Club I went to

 
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Mon Jun 21, 2004 4:56 pm

In general, AA's terminals in the whole NYC area are sorely lacking and not appropriate for the world's largest airline. I happen to be an AA fan and fly them almost exclusively for my domestic U.S. travel.

At JFK - it really is like a run down train station. I know the new "Terminal 8" is almost there, but the fact that they even allowed the existing terminals to get to their current point is horrific and scandelous. Connections between AA flights are sometimes impossible without getting a workout; the AC's are antiquated (with the slight exception of the Terminal 8 AC); for those who aren't AC members - you can't even find one of those Internet-pay phone hybrids to check e-mail on, etc.; the shops are few and far between and the gates are straight out of 1972. Oh - and don't forget the moronic, anal-retentive, "almost-English speaking" gate agents and check-in people who are consisntently responsible, due to sheer stupidity, for flight delays, out of JFK.

At LGA - also totally antiquated. The whole length of the C and D concourse reminds me more of a hallway in a NYC public high school 20 years ago then it does the airport closest to Manhattan. Shops - what shops? (save Brookstone).

At EWR - certainly the least of the 3 evils - but the decor in the gate area - ugh!

Outside of NYC I have been to decent AA terminals. At LAX I happen to think the setup is pretty darn good. Same with FLL (but only because its a relatively minor operation, joint with a whole bunch of other airlines). MIA could use some "atmosepheric" upgrading, but isn't all that bad. ORD is also very nice.

But NYC? Its a major gateway to the USA and AA makes a HORRIFIC presentation. The new Terminal 8 better be at least on par with T4 and that will hopefully make-up for the last 10 years of 8/9.
 
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Mon Jun 21, 2004 5:18 pm

Thankyou Shlomoz for stating the TRUTH.

I am just surprised at how people in US can tolerate such shi* facilities and have to pay for it (the Admirals Club).
 
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Mon Jun 21, 2004 6:58 pm

Don't worry Cx123, AA will have a civilized terminal next year, Where you can have some afternoon tea before you depart for HKG.  Laugh out loud

All jokes aside, Hopefully it will be from worst to best.
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:16 pm

Actually,

I allways liked AA at LGA.
 
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Mon Jun 21, 2004 10:51 pm

Aa767400,

When I get the CX831 from JFK-HKG, I might pop by to have a look (Are the Oneworld Shuttle Bus still operating between T7 and T8/9??)

Why didn't they move all Oneworld airlines to T8/9????

It is a pain to use the shuttle bus!
 
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Mon Jun 21, 2004 10:56 pm

There's good reason that Workbench is now banned.
 
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Tue Jun 22, 2004 1:34 am

I went to the AA terminal at JFK in May of 2002. The baggage claim seemed old and looked dirty. The tv screens had "A_eri_an" or "_merican" written on them, and the tv's weren't even working properly. Also, the noise of the 20+ cab drivers greeting the passengers after they come through the doors isn't too pleasant.

However, I will admit that the upstairs was nice (and I'm no AA fan). I liked the big windows - it was very spacious upstairs and seemed like your regular airport.

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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:22 am

SHUPirate1,

T6 will be torn down, as will the concourses of T5. A new terminal to be built behind T5 will have 23 gates.
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:42 am

While we are discussing AA terminals, which terminal in BOS is being built/refurbished? Was it AA or US? I can't remember and I dont hear about it all the way down here in the south...


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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:45 am

DL is building a brand new Terminal in BOS, they tore down the old Terminal A (Eastern Airlines) terminal and are building a brand new building.
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:03 am

AAAhhhhh... I remember now. How far along is that terminal in BOS? Are talking opening soon or a repeat of the big dig. haha... just kidding.



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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:26 am

I went to Terminal E on BA in December. They just reburbished the terminal. ( I remembered when I was @ Harvard, I travelled on AC to YUL. And Terminal E back then was a trash!) The new Terminal E looks pretty good, but after security it is still the same as the old terminal.
 
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:33 am

STT757-

Wasn't there a problem that the Airtrain gauge wasn't compatible with LIRR or MTA track, therefore making a single-seat link impossible?
 
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:55 am

Hello Guys,

I actually just read the whole thread and realised who Workbench is.

It is funny, however there are a few points he raised that is interesting.

Is AA really in that much financial trouble at the moment? If their cash reserve is as low as Workbench claimed, are they going to seek assistance from the government?

Also if AA goes down, which airline will be taking its place in the Oneworld Alliance?
 
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RE: New AA Terminal At JFK

Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:59 am

I seem to be 'browser-retarded' this evening...Can one of ya fellas put a good link up here, so I can visualize what y'all are talking about.
What was the area before AA began construction? Was it a terminal?
And btw, what is the longest runway there at JFK?
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