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How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:20 am

This is NOT, I repeat, NOT a joke question, but real interest: how old are NW's DC9s? I read so much about them that I started wondering. Also, do they "feel" old for pax, in terms of cabin facilities, flying experience, etc?

Thanks for any serious answers.

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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:22 am

Mozart:

Very old, but very reliable.

Some were built in the mid to late sixties, and some were the last of the DC-9 line.

The aircraft were modernized by NW and are very comfertable and clean.

I much prefer them over an RJ.

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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:25 am

I think some of the older DC-9s date to 1967. I last flew in one of the older ones in 1999, so I can't address current condition, but back then they didn't really feel "old". I've been on DL DC-9 / MD-80s that felt and looked older than the NW planes.
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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:26 am

Dtwclipper,

never been on one, but I prefer ANYTHING to an RJ!!! I usually call them "Bonsai Bombers" because they are really small.

When you say they have been modernised, what exactly has been done on them?
 
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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:32 am

The interiors have been updated. New seats, overheads, etc. They don't have IFE obviously, but who needs that on most of the short hauls they are utilized for.

Granted, the seats are cloth and not leather, and F/C is a little tight, it still beats flying on a crj from DTW to CVG. I haven't been in coach in a long time, but the 3-2 config is much more pleasing than the tight 2-2 on a rj jor 3-3 on an airbus.

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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:49 am

Some of the DC9-14s are probably vintage 1965 or 1966......There are probably some vintage 1966 or 1967 DC9-30s as well....
You have to remember that a majority of these DC9s came from the amalgamation of three basic airlines North Central, Southern Airways and Hughes Airwest. Hughes Airwest itself was made up of three carriers: Bonanza, Pacific and West Coast.
Southern's DC9-14s mostly came as ex-Eastern and Ex-Delta DC9-14s as those carriers phased them out. N948L if its still flying around is a former Bonanza DC9-15. The 30 series are mostly ex-North Central, Delta, Hughes Airwest, Eastern, N994Z is even a former Ozark bird.

An Interesting story about N994Z is that one time whilst doing a flight for Ozark, it had landed in Sioux Falls, SD and hit a snow plow on the runway, and the plow knocked one of the wings off. The plow driver was killed in the accident. However the insurance company had the aircraft fixed and it was subsequently sold to Republic airlines, where it now flies for NW.

The oldest DC9-30s are undoubtedly North Central birds and they might even have a couple Ex-Northeast Airlines 30 series. The 50s (built between 1975 and 1980 or so) are ex-North Central for the most part altho a few former Eastern DC9-50s have crept into the fleet. One of the NW DC9-50s I have flown on was N600TR which was actually a former Venezuelan airliner. A couple of 30s are from JAT of the former Yugoslavia one of which is N926RC. The 40s were picked up as SAS had decided to dump them out of their fleet.
The DC9 is a remarkable bird and as Ozark used to call them..."The Bugless Douglas."
The days are prolly numbered sadly but it goes to show you that they don't make planes like they used to. I'm thinking the reason that NW has kept them this long is because they have two engines and have a two man crew. Had they been like the 727s, they would have been Looooooooong gone!!

I hope that helps some...

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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:52 am

You may want to check out the latest edition of Airliners magazine; the issue gives a history of Republic Airlines and touches a bit on NW's introduction to the DC-9 in 1986 (not as long as some would think) through its aquisitition of Republic.
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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:53 am

This Northwest Airlines DC-9 DOES NOT even look that old!


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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:59 am


I flew on them in 2002 in about 4 flights and they didn't have an old feeling to them. I flew on an IB MD-88 that felt much much older inside than any of NWA's DC-9's.
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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:04 am

The oldest in NW fleet, but they still fly good!

N8908E built 9-11-66
N8910E " 11-7-66
N8911E " 11-26-66
N8912E " 11-30-66
N8913E " 12-13-66
N8914E " 12-23-66
N8915E " 12-29-66
above are model tens

N8921E built 3-22-67
above is older model 30 in their fleet according a NW publication
N8920E was built 3-27-67..next oldest model 30

N750NW built 10-25-67
oldest model 40 in fleet

N675MC built 8-25-75
oldest model 50 in fleet

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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:41 am

CORRECTION

N8909E built 11-7-66
NW today does not operate N8910E
sorry....

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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:52 am

Except for the DC9-50's, which are from the mid 70's to 1982, the majority of the DC9-30's, and I believe all the -40's, are pre-1970, which makes them 34+ years old.
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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:59 am


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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 6:11 am

Only if they got rid of those ugly colored cloth seats. Big grin
 
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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 6:21 am

The only ex- Eastern DC-9-50 in NW's fleet is N401EA.
 
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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 6:26 am

Preliminary estimates indicate early Ming Dynasty (c.1100 CE) but we're still awaiting the C14 results.
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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 6:54 am

NW has a mixed bag of DC9s, from different sources, many acuqired through their mergers.
 
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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 7:21 am

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Like I said in my comments, this one was built in 1966 and I've never been on anything so loud. I've flown on several AirTran DC-9-30's, flown on other NW DC-9's, sat in the back on L1011's and 727's and nothing compared to this. I was seated in row 14 (only 17 rows total on the plane). It sounded like buzzsaw's and chainsaw's behind my head, it was insane. Talking to the girl next to me, we were having a yelling match pretty much because you couldn't hear. Interior was a bit worn, but didn't look 38 years old! From a normal pax point of view, the -10's need to go and now (should be at the end of the year), but from a crazed lunitic like myself it was fun.

I also flew on N760NC (-51 series).....had a moan and groan sound for 10 mins after take off, but it was a smooth flight. The stretch DC9's are fine I guess, I still like the 727's  Big grin
 
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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 7:31 am

NWA never operated N8910E, it was written off in a crash in 1979 during a EAL touch and go landing @ Dade-Collier Training and Transition Airport (TNT)
 
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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 7:37 am

SRBMOD...thanks..I attempted to correct my screwup.
and DAZED 767, on that model 10, were you in row 15 or 16, like the back of the plane?
It is noisy by the engines compared to rows 9 or 10 or closer to the leading edge of the wing or in front of the wing.
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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 7:59 am

The flight deck picture on reply 17 has a light blue (or turquoise) interior. Did MD always use this colour on their aircrafts' flight decks ?

Patterns/standards I've noticed are :
- Boeing uses brown,
- Airbus uses a grey blue, and
- Former Soviet Union/Russians aircraft also seemed to use a similar pale blue.

Any other standards out there ? Any reason for the mix ?
By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?
 
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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 8:59 am

I actually DARE any non-aviation enthusiast to pick the newer aircraft if a newly repainted NW DC9-30 was parked next to a new Air Tran 717. I've flown on both recently, and outside of the "Gee-Whiz" flight deck of the 717, there really is no difference re the interior features of both aircraft. Kudos to NW for utilizing the DC-9 effectively, efficiently, and intelligently!!
 
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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 9:29 am

Safe - I was in row 14, and there was only 17 rows total on the plane. I noticed the F/A in First Class cupping his hand over his ear to take drink orders. I can't imagine what a BAc-111 is like  Big thumbs up

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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:28 am

I'd fly a DC-9 over a CRJ anyday.
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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 2:19 pm

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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 2:33 pm

Well, let's see.....

When I was a teenager NC and SO already had some of these -9's. This was before I started flying. I started flying when I was 16.....
I have now been flying for 34 years and can see myself retiring in a few years. The 9's will probably have a longer flying career than I did!


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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 2:34 pm

I sure wish Air Canada still had the DC9 I flew on them a few times in the late 90s and I loved the 9
 
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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 7:13 pm

I hear that the DC-9s will be replaced with a fleet of L-188 Electra's  Big grin  Laugh out loud
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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 7:56 pm

The reason that these topics come up all the time is because our moderators have banned all the slightly controversial topics, as well as any slightly offensive contributors.

As a result we are running out of things to say. Why not talk about NW DC-9s again for the 1,000th time.

Is it me or are the topics getting really boring.
 
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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 8:57 pm

The DC-9/10s are being parked beginning in August.
 
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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 9:06 pm

Dont foget how much money NW invested into their DC9s, their manufacture date may be old, but they are new rebuilt aircraft
 
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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 9:54 pm

Only if they got rid of those ugly colored cloth seats

In 2000, I flew on a NW A320 that had the same exact seats as their DC9s. I don't mind the color as much as I mind the lack of padding on the seatback cushons. While it may be okay for short trips (which the DC9s normally do), for long hauls (which some A319s & 320s do) those seats are not that comfortable.

Even WN's older 737 seats have more padding on the seatbacks.
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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:04 pm

As I mentioned in another thread, when the DC9-10's are completely retired at the end of this year, each aircraft will have averaged 90,000 cycles (takeoffs and landings) - an incredible display of reliability, durability and utilization.
 
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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:41 pm

I believe that NW essentially did D-check overhauls of their entire D9 fleet from around 1995 on, complete with putting in interiors that are more or less the same as that used on the 717-200.

Alas, the high airframe hours of many of these planes and the fact the JT8D engines might not be legal with new jet engine noise and exhaust emission rules coming in a few years could mean NW may have to start retiring these plane later this decade.  Sad
 
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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:46 am

NW has a mixed bag of DC9s, from different sources, many acuqired through their mergers. The most of their DC-9's cam from the Republic Merger. Republic had acquired most of the DC-9's they had from Hughes Airwest. When NW merged with Republic they also recievecd Republic's MD-80's which stayed with the Northwest fleet until mid 1996.

The earlier model DC-9's which NW owns are slowly being replaced. Currently, there are only a total of 8 DC-9-15's left in the fleet, this is mainly to offset the Canadair RJ's that are operated by Northwest Airlink. The DC-9-30's are slowly being replace by the larger Airbus A319. The DC-9-15's will all be gone at the end of this year or next.
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RE: How Old Are NW's DC9s?

Wed Jun 23, 2004 2:32 am

The DC-9 is a great bird. It's not the DC-3 of the jet age, it's better!

What other airliner lasted 38 years in service with mainline carriers? Not even the DC-3 could boast of that record!

And what other airframe is still being built with very little change since 1965? The DC-9 is still in production as the B717.

The only thing the DC-3 has over the -9 is the sheer numbers built, largely because of the needs of the war.

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