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747 Advance Article In The Most Recent Flight INT

Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:17 am

Albeit small article... it is very interesting - what Boeing has proposd for the cabin. The article points out how Boeing is studying the use of unused cabin space above the main cabin for 'Sky Suites' or bed bunks, and staterooms... New entry door, a sweeping stair way, sky light windows... etc...

I am not really interested in these ideas so much... I think they are great.... but what is really awesome is that Boeing is actually working on a 747 Advance...

The article goes on that wind tunnels are planed for next year... 2009 in service, if launched in 2006 or early 2007...
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starrion
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RE: 747 Advance Article In The Most Recent Flight

Tue Jun 22, 2004 12:12 pm

One word for you: seats.

If the 747-ADV gets off the ground it will be carrying more butts in chairs for less fuel with more advanced avionics and lower maintenence costs. Anything else is just a pile of marketing.
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RE: 747 Advance Article In The Most Recent Flight

Tue Jun 22, 2004 12:34 pm

If the 747-ADV gets off the ground it will be carrying more butts in chairs for less fuel with more advanced avionics and lower maintenence costs. Anything else is just a pile of marketing.

I'd tend to agree with you, but Boeing has long wanted to take advantage of the space atop an aircraft's crown. Airlines can already fit 777 and 747 with crew rest facilities located in the crown. Crew rest facilites are typically spartan compared to a first class suite like those Virgin Atlantic and EK offer, but it's a departure point for something like a Sky Suite.

By the way, the suites wouldn't take up seats as they are located above the passengers. In fact, it might increase capacity as F class seats would not have to recline to a full-flat configuration, they could simply retire to their individual cabins.

The article points out how Boeing is studying the use of unused cabin space above the main cabin for 'Sky Suites' or bed bunks, and staterooms... New entry door, a sweeping stair way, sky light windows... etc...

Hmm.. sounds shanzy, but what about aerodyamic advancements, new engines, weight reduction, and the stuff airlines actually care about? There is always room to improve the cabin, and I welcome these new ideas, but the 747-Adv has to prove its technical merits first.

Sorry, I'm still a tad skeptical. Boeing could probably build the 747-Adv, and probably collect the necessary orders, but after the 744's previous replacement attempts.. I'm not getting my hopes up
 
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RE: 747 Advance Article In The Most Recent Flight

Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:11 pm

Like I said, I am just glad that they are working on something better for the 747.

Also, they are not going to invest money into a program if it werent going to be 'aerodyamic advancements, new engines, weight reduction' than what currently exist, and an alternative to the A380.

If they do proceed further, they will have something the airlines want. Just like what is listed in the Boeing web site:

'The 747 Advanced will combine even greater capacity with 7E7 engine technology – the most advanced commercial airplane propulsion technology in the world – for quieter airplanes that produce lower emissions, achieve better fuel economy than any competing jetliner, and fly faster – at .86 Mach – than any other jetliner.

The 747 Advanced will be the only jetliner in the 400- to 500-seat market, offering 8,000 nautical mile (12,874 km) range capacity and the best economics in the large-airplane class. '
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RE: 747 Advance Article In The Most Recent Flight INT

Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:14 pm

I have high hopes for the 747 ADV and believe that Boeing will put it into production. The form factor has been a major success for many years and, like the 737, still has strong potential long into the future.

While the 380 (and 7E7) are the hot topic I believe that the 400-500 seat market will continue to be strong and the 747 is in a better position to address this than a shortened 380 on a diet.
 
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RE: 747 Advance Article In The Most Recent Flight INT

Fri Jun 25, 2004 9:26 am

I saw this article. While it's good to usurp previously unused space in the crown, ala the 777-300ER and -200LR, they must be careful of the potential weight gain. 747-Adv. weight specs thus far are about 200,000 lbs. shy of it's most likely direct competitor, the longer-ranged A380-700. Keeping the 747's weight in check may be crucial to giving the promised economics improvements over the 747-400, even using the 7E7 engines. It needs to keep those improvements to have a decent chance against the newer overall, A387. I don't see this article as meaning the 747 Advanced is any more likely but it's good they're working on it; there seems a fair chance for it in that capacity niche.