Argentina
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Varig With B767-300 To South Africa

Fri Jun 25, 2004 12:23 am

Varig will change equipment on the routes GRU-JNB and GRU-CPT-JNB from an MD11 to B763 since July. Lack of passengers or fleet reassigment?
 
GaleaoCumbica
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RE: Varig With B767-300 To South Africa

Fri Jun 25, 2004 1:04 am

Hi,

I don't think it is true.
Varig just started flying to JNB again and I don't believe they have to change A/C already.

Cheers

GaleaoCumbica
 
daumueller
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RE: Varig With B767-300 To South Africa

Fri Jun 25, 2004 1:20 am

amadeus shows a 763..
 
trey
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RE: Varig With B767-300 To South Africa

Fri Jun 25, 2004 1:36 am

i was in cpt 2 weeks ago and there was a varig md-11 parked there for 4 or 5 days. it looks like they were working on the right engine. anyone know anything?
 
gigneil
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RE: Varig With B767-300 To South Africa

Fri Jun 25, 2004 2:46 am

You'd have to fly a 763 pretty far out of the way to get around ETOPS concerns on this route.

Can't imagine its a good idea.

N
 
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RE: Varig With B767-300 To South Africa

Fri Jun 25, 2004 2:51 am

How long is the flight to JNB? leaving Sao Paolo or Rio?
It cannot be such a long flight, considering how far south in the atlantic both cities are. What 8 hours tops? or am I way off?
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Argentina
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RE: Varig With B767-300 To South Africa

Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:16 am

According to Reservations Systems:

GRU-CPT is 08:55 hours long for 3966 miles
CPT-GRU is 10:00 hours long for 3966 miles
GRU-JNB is 09:50 hours long for 4642 miles
JNB-GRU is 11:00 hours long for 4642 miles

SABRE shows a B763 from July.
 
MAH4546
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RE: Varig With B767-300 To South Africa

Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:38 am

Fleet reassignment, as the MD11 is going back to MIA-GRU and MIA-GIG. Though the 767 is better suited for this market.
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767-332ER
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RE: Varig With B767-300 To South Africa

Fri Jun 25, 2004 4:45 am


Definitely none of those routes are out of the way for the 763ER. So they aren't flying to South Africa from GIG?
Regards
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JJMNGR
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RE: Varig With B767-300 To South Africa

Fri Jun 25, 2004 5:32 am

LACK OF ACFT AS THEY REDUCED THEIR FLEET A LOT. THIS IS NOT TECHNICAL REASON. JUST LACK OF ACFT.
 
Argentina
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RE: Varig With B767-300 To South Africa

Fri Jun 25, 2004 5:37 am

Flights start in GIG but make a stop in GRU before leaving for South Africa.
 
s.p.a.s.
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RE: Varig With B767-300 To South Africa

Fri Jun 25, 2004 9:35 am

JJMNGR,

As usual a wrong statement coming from you sir, and not surprisingly, again some Varig bashing, hun?

FYI Varig introduced two 777-200 (non-ER) and six MD11s (ex-LX) with a seventh and last MD11 expected to join soon. Also the 767 fleet was increased with two units (ex-TWA/PW engines). So I would say that the fleet over the last three months, specially regarding wide body planes was increased rather than reduced. Also narrow body fleet is being slowly increased with four 737-400s on the way (one already delivered) and all this 757 talk.

Reason for this gauge change on the JNB run is - according to my sources - the low pax numbers, the average loading over ther last weeks has being around 180 pax, well below the max. capacity of the MD11s. Conversely, SAA flights to JNB are always with good pax loads, thanks mainly to good connections in JNB with SAA to other desitinations.

As mentioned earlier, they will have to make a big detour to keep the flight under ETOPS rules, iirc, RG 767s have only 120min ETOPS, time will tell if this change is for good...or not.

Cheers

RS
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Arcano
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RE: Varig With B767-300 To South Africa

Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:22 am

Right, the map for 120min ETOPS show a very big detour for a 767:
in order: 721,146,732,763,722,343,733,320,772,319,752,321,88,83,744,332,100,738, 333, 318, 77W, 78, 773, 380, 73G, 788, 789, 346
 
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RE: Varig With B767-300 To South Africa

Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:54 am

Completely out of topic...but watching the map that Arcano posted here... do LAN's 763ER have the same 120min ETOPS limitation?
I ask this because in the map I can see Easter Island (the circular spot left of South America) and then Tahiti...and there is a dark space between Chile/Easter Island and between Easter Island/Tahiti. So how could they fly this route if they have that limitation?

(I apologize for my ignorance)
 
Arcano
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RE: Varig With B767-300 To South Africa

Fri Jun 25, 2004 12:08 pm

Fanatico de LAN:

Some LA767s (not sure if all of them) use GE CF6-80C2 engines, with an ETOPS of 180 minutes.

Look at the map:



So you can fly to Easter Island and Papeete feeling safe in the proudly wings of Lan Chile. The one and only Latin American Airline that matters
in order: 721,146,732,763,722,343,733,320,772,319,752,321,88,83,744,332,100,738, 333, 318, 77W, 78, 773, 380, 73G, 788, 789, 346
 
Lan_Fanatic
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RE: Varig With B767-300 To South Africa

Fri Jun 25, 2004 12:18 pm

Ah...ya veo

Thanks for the clarification Arcano.

And very good end of message!

 
s.p.a.s.
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RE: Varig With B767-300 To South Africa

Fri Jun 25, 2004 12:58 pm

Dear Arcano...

Even being a Brazilian I'm not driven by nationalist blindness.. that said I'm not shy in saying that the LAN product is indeed the best around in South/Latin America.

Way to go LAN!

Gran saludos

Renato
"ad astra per aspera"
 
Arcano
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RE: Varig With B767-300 To South Africa

Fri Jun 25, 2004 2:56 pm

O brigado (I never learned how to write it!) Renato.

Actually, I was laughing with that comment, you know how we latin americans love to defend our airline lutamdo com unhas e dentes  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
I know LA is very good indeed, by far my favorite, but not the only one that matters! I've heard very good comments lately about AM...Too bad Lan Argentina is delayed...

BTW: I went to SCL today to farewell my best friend on a RG's flight (777). The delay was 1 hour! God...

Saludos! and please loose the match against Chile in Copa America!
in order: 721,146,732,763,722,343,733,320,772,319,752,321,88,83,744,332,100,738, 333, 318, 77W, 78, 773, 380, 73G, 788, 789, 346
 
s.p.a.s.
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RE: Varig With B767-300 To South Africa

Fri Jun 25, 2004 8:24 pm

One hour delay only? That's piece of cake..

Now seriously, the 777 making the GRU-SCL-GRU flight comes from Europe, on an early to mid morning arrival. Fact is that during this time of the year GRU can have some foggy mornings and maybe it was delayed due weather conditions in GRU, ie. below Cat II around the arrival time of the 777 from Europe... That´s only a guess... this week we had this situation at least two times.

Two side notes, "thanks" is spelled "obrigado" not "o brigado" and regarding the soccer game, I'm probably one of the few Brazilians who has no interest at all in this game.

Saludos!

Renato
"ad astra per aspera"
 
JJMNGR
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RE: Varig With B767-300 To South Africa

Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:53 pm

Dear RS,

VARIG is doing great!!! They are in really good shape. They lost near USD700 million last year and they have a negative patrimony near USD2.5 BILLION. Everything is going perfect.

I am sorry for the fact of I do not agree that most of people looks to an airline and just see the quantity of aircraft they have and based on this, classify this airline as a good on or not...

For people that lives abroad and read something in papers, it is perfectly understandable that will acknowledge that is in the papers. By the way a piece of paper accepts anything. If papers say that everything is fine, so everybody is going to read and ack it is fine. Reality is another thing.

I am out of this question. VARIG if fine, they do not face a crisis. I am a lier....



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