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Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Fri Jun 25, 2004 1:40 am

CX139 *new flight Hong Kong 0900 - Sydney 2110 Daily
CX138 *new flight Sydney 2220 - Hong Kong 0500+1 Daily

CX101 Hong Kong 2345 - Sydney 1155+1 Daily
CX100 Sydney 1615 - Hong Kong 2225 Daily
CX111 Hong Kong 1910 - Sydney 0715+1 Daily
CX110 Sydney 0850 - Hong Kong 1500 Daily
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:38 am

Further update is one of the MEL flight (CX134/135) will be upgraded to 744
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:50 am

All Sydney flights are A330, and yes one MEL flight will be a 744.
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Fri Jun 25, 2004 4:19 am

All Sydney flights? What about CX 100/101?
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Fri Jun 25, 2004 7:05 am

This is remain same with those flights from SYD-HKG flight. It would be perfect time for connecting in HKG hub.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Fri Jun 25, 2004 7:44 am


I thought one of the Sydney flights was an A340-600??? Or do you mean with the increased services that then all the flights will be A330's??
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Fri Jun 25, 2004 7:48 am

CX138/139 will do great business as it provides great connections to and from European Ports that tended to arrive in HKG back in the morning from Europe.

A lot of competition now on SYD-HKG what with CX (an extra daily flight A330 flight) VS (daily A346 flight) , QF (upgrading from 763 to A333 three times a week) and Dragon Air looking to fly.



 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Fri Jun 25, 2004 8:21 am

Not surprising. Obviously CX thinks it can win by increasing frequency. It would seem that one of the 333 services MEL used to get will now be used on the SYD route. It's obviously targeting the high-yield market here because it will have 24F, 96J and 633Y seats per day, compared to QF's 14F, 85J and 582Y seats. 30 of QF's J seats will be standard non-sleepers (until the A330's get upgraded), so obviously CX is targeting the high-yield market here which is smart. The perceived higher quality of CX in Y will also gain them passengers, there is more than enough demand to fill CX Y class even if QF Y is completely filled first, so CX gains better yields as they are usually about $30 or so more expensive than QF ex SYD.
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Fri Jun 25, 2004 8:49 am

Great news for Cathay...and their stockholders!  Big grin

Just out of curiousity, how difficult is that turnaround for the new flight going to be. I don't know a lot about the details, but I would think that 1 hr and 10 minutes would be pretty tight for turning a widebody around. Heck the 1hr and 35 min. of the other one also seems tight. I guess that they probably also arrive in SYD early quite a bit.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:20 am

Why no 744 in SYD??

I really think they should bring the 744 back to SYD and leave the 333 back to MEL! surely us Sydneysiders deserve better than a 333.


1hr and 10 minutes is plenty to turnaround a 333.
I know CX can turn around a 744 (from YVR-JFK) is less than 1.5 hours

Asian people are just more efficient and effective
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:29 am

Just checked with CX on the folllowing:


CX101 HKG 23:45 SYD 11:55+1 SMTWTFS 346
CX100 SYD 16:15 HKG 22:25 SMTWTFS 346

At least we get the 346, but I still prefer the 744. I think I might have to goto MEL and then just fly back to SYD.

But the good thing about the new flight is the late departure!!
something that CX should've done a long time ago!!

is QF reinstating their overnight service to HKG as well?
 
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Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:32 am


"Just out of curiousity, how difficult is that turnaround for the new flight going to be. I don't know a lot about the details, but I would think that 1 hr and 10 minutes would be pretty tight for turning a widebody around."

I would have thought the same. Not that I'm an expert or anything but if it takes 15-20 minutes to get through the entire boarding process, plus late passengers, cleaning the plane, not to mention getting the people from the arriving flight off of the plane an hour and 10 for an International flight sounds tight.

Can anyone working in this area shed some light on it????

"I really think they should bring the 744 back to SYD and leave the 333 back to MEL! surely us Sydneysiders deserve better than a 333."

I'd rather have the option of double daily flights!!!!!
 
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Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:42 am

They do have double daily flights from SYD-HKG already???
do you mean MEL-HKG?

The 1.10 hours turnaround is possible as the 333 is not as big as the 744. Also the CX100 is usually early and due to the late departure, pax normally would've all checked in already and avoided any traffic jams.

In my experience on the CX100 and 101, they seldom delay the flight due to lack of turnaround time.

Also in HKG the boarding process is via dual airbridge, which speeds things up considerably. The fun thing is everytime I get check the display at the lounge and it saids ready for boarding, by the time I get to the gate, it is under Final Call already.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:01 am

It's a conservative departure time because it has to take into account unexpected delays. If the plane is more than 40 minutes late the curfew will keep the plane grounded for the night. The short turn-around time gives them more room to manoeuvre if it gets tight.

I once flew on EK413 to DXB from SYD. Scheduled departure was 2150, the plane was an hour late, we took off at 2258!!! Talk about cutting it fine...
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:38 am

What is the curfew in SYD? Is it 12 or 1am?

Looking at the schedule carefully, CX is cutting it a bit fine.

So is this the bonus CX got as part of the VS entry from HKG-SYD?

Or they will still get the LHR-JFK routing??

At least the 744 is returning the AUS (Alibeit the WRONG city - you lucky melbouners!)

QF must feel the heat now.

Are there any news to the fares for the Dec 2004 period yet?

Must be interesting

7 flights to choose from DAILY from SYD-HKG
I think SYD-HKG will soon be like JFK-LHR
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Fri Jun 25, 2004 12:36 pm

Curfew at SYD is 23:00 (!!!!) ... after all, we mustn't keep those people awake, including a prominent soon-to-be ex Labor MP, who moved close to the airport despite they knew that planes make noise.

Anyway, back to CX ... I would welcome the 2 new flights. Timings are great... a good night's sleep on the way up to HKG, and lot's of movies and great service - a pleasant day's flying - on the way back! Also, we can now finally connect - after a few hours in HK - with the daylight A340 to LHR. Perfect!
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Fri Jun 25, 2004 12:43 pm

The choice is great. Also I can sneak back to HKG for a hoilday on a Friday (Night) and come back by Monday (early in the morning)

Whereas before I had to either take Friday OFF or sneak out after lunch!

The choice is great. Will QF still offer the night flight to SYD as well??
I hope they get rid of those 763. It is CLEARLY in appropriate on such important and prestigious routes!
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Fri Jun 25, 2004 1:04 pm

Cx123, you live in Sydney and you don't know when the curfew is...

The issue is plastered every single election, every single time a new airport is mentioned, any time there is a near-miss.
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Fri Jun 25, 2004 1:25 pm

CX101/100 will be A333 in stead of A346 as all 3 A346 will run the HKG-JFK route.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Fri Jun 25, 2004 1:55 pm

The Coachman,

I live in Sydney, but not near the airport.

Also all my air travels in SYD are during the day (CX - HKG, BA - LHR/SIN, QF-LAX-JFK are all flights leaving before 6pm)

CX773
On the timetable it clearly said it will use the 346 on CX 100/101.

I thought CX has 3 346. That is plenty to serve SYD and JFK??
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Sat Jun 26, 2004 12:39 pm

To follow up my earlier question, does anyone know the approximate time to fuel the aircraft as well? I have heard upwards of an hour for a 744 doing an really long flight...which I know HKG-SYD is not, but it is still quite a distance. Specifically, what about a 330 for that run?

As for loading and unloading a plane, I could understand 20-30 minutes for departure, perhaps 10 minutes to deplane, and still some time to clean up the plane (I assume that they actually take time to make sure that the interiors are clean...something that is often ignored over here!  Smile ). So, loading and unloading passengers should not be a problem.

Still, with fuel, cargo, and other provisions, it seems to be cutting things close. However, they know what they are doing, so I should not question them. Hopefully, the flight does not arrive late very often since the schedule allows little to no leeway...made even worse by the curfew.

Anyway, thanks for the responses to my question everyone. I appreciate it.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Sat Jun 26, 2004 1:00 pm

3 A346's enough for JFK.... no way!!. These aircraft spend half their time at HAECO!!
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Sat Jun 26, 2004 1:22 pm

I thought they only need 1 to operate the HKG-JFK route
1 for the HKG-SYD route,

The other one is for emergency and problems witht he plane.

I mean given there are so many options now from JFK (route pax on CX889 via YVR or via YYZ) for SYD, they can put the pax on the other 2 flights or route them via MEL.

Therefore it seems ok.

Otherwise why would they use it on SYD then?
 
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Sat Jun 26, 2004 1:44 pm

HKG-JFK requires 3 aircraft, most likely, but certainly no less than 2.

Continental utilizes 3 B777s on EWR-HKG.

Think about it. To operate a daily flight or even 5x weekly 2 of the three planes are in the air at the same time with a third having only a small amount of time to get ready for the next westbound departure.

Cathay will be discontinuing the 346 service to SYD.

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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Sat Jun 26, 2004 1:58 pm

When will CX Discontinue its 346 service to SYD?
According to the online timetable, they will be using the 346 at the end of the year.

How many 346 does CX have?

I guess possibly, CX might have more then 3 A346.
 
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Sat Jun 26, 2004 2:05 pm

CX has 3 A340-642s, all leased.

The timetable is incorrect regarding the equipment.

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Sat Jun 26, 2004 2:08 pm

I just checked the CX online schedule and the equipment listed for both CX 101 and 111 is EQV starting 01 Jul, so I don't know what you're looking at.

I also downloaded the PDF version, and looked under sydney. 110 is a scheduled 333, while 100 is a scheduled 343.

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[Edited 2004-06-26 07:11:54]
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Sat Jun 26, 2004 2:39 pm

CX101/100 is scheduled as EQV for JUL04 and AUG04. But from SEP04 onwards, it's scheduled to be the 346. HKG/SYD only needs one 346 to fly. While HKG/JFK will require 2. Flying the 346 to SYD allows good use of the aircraft while keeping it 'not too far' from base. Also, since SYD can be served by any airbus, it means that if there's any problems with the 346, they can rotate any airbus to spare the 346 for the JFK run.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Sat Jun 26, 2004 2:57 pm

Yep thay makes sense, thankyou for your confirmation.

Do you think there are any chance of a 744 to SYD??

I think if VS does comes to SYD (hahah judging from the other post it is still PREMATURE), I think CX might have to reconsider the aircraft type (from a marketing perspective)
 
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Sat Jun 26, 2004 3:24 pm

cx123, an airline cannot fly a certain type empty just due to marketing reasons. Its horribly bad business.

If CX can fill a 744, they'll fly a 744. Otherwise, they'll use the correct frame type to maximize profits and match service to customer demand.

I see you said the same thing about the 763 earlier. Almost no customer realizes what sort of plane they're on. They care about their seat and service.

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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Sat Jun 26, 2004 3:38 pm

Gigneil Refer to post 27 for the timetable issue you had.

I think being an american sometime you don't understand how Asian People think.

As most CX passengers (ie. most of HK people) the do perceive the bigger = better (which in some sense is not a good thing). Therefore as soon as they saw the change in aircraft from 744 to 763 (eg. QF) they all have some reservations about it. This is due to the fact they are used to the comfort and experience on 744.


Therefore from what you said "Almost no customer realizes what sort of plane they're on. They care about their seat and service"
is not exactly true for most Asian passengers.

Also there is NO way is the world you can say a 763 is more comfortable than a 744 (given the seats are the same pitch and width - and normally the 763 have tighter pitch and heaadroom).

Especially given the fact that most Asian airlines do not operate 763 (eg. CX and SQ), hence that causes more reason for the hate against them.

I know you should look at the demand on the paricular route before making schduling decisions, but sometimes they should really look at the customer preference which in turn can affect the demand.

eg. on the HKG-LHR route, many MPO members complained about the day time service on a 340, therefore CX is currently looking into using an additional 744, which they can possibly fill up as well.
 
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Sat Jun 26, 2004 3:43 pm

Also there is NO way is the world you can say a 763 is more comfortable than a 744 (given the seats are the same pitch and width - and normally the 763 have tighter pitch and heaadroom).

I'd take coach or business on a 767 any day of the week and twice on Sundays over coach or business on a 747.


Especially given the fact that most Asian airlines do not operate 763 (eg. CX and SQ)


CX and SQ are hardly representative of the whole region. Japanese airlines fly 767s by the dozens, even on premium international routes.

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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Sat Jun 26, 2004 3:55 pm

"CX and SQ are hardly representative of the whole region."

Urmm I think you better take it back.

Look at all the statistics and facts around you. I would say SQ and CX covers virtually all cities in ASIA (China, India, JAPAN, etc....)

I know JL is pretty substantial, but SQ and CX does cover a lot.

As to your comment on the 763, Have you being on a proper 744 (eg. 3 Class) before?

The upper deck and also the F Class section beats any 763.

Also even for the 744 main deck, it does provide more room (for pax and Luggage) than the 763.

The 763 does make people feel cramp and claustrophobic.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Sat Jun 26, 2004 3:56 pm

Ditto, Gigneil

Flown many 747's and 767's over the years. I experience the 767 as more comfortable. At least in economy and business.....

Regards

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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Sat Jun 26, 2004 4:23 pm

I think the other dislike about 763 is that airlines generally DO NOT put new products on them (eg. QF).
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Sat Jun 26, 2004 4:29 pm

Yes it is indeed the Asian preferences for BIG!

I can tell you even A330/340 are considered to be small for many people that i meet in HK, coz everyone of us know there is a bigger one! The one with 4 engines and 2 decks! Similar reasons to explain why Mercedes S-class and BMW 7 are everywhere here!

Sure in terms of services, it won't be too much different.

 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Sat Jun 26, 2004 4:56 pm

hm.. there isn't any need to argue whether B767 or B747 is more comfortable or not.. the whole comfortable or cramp terms is very vague.. and everyone has different prespective on what a smooth flight is...

yes.. most Asian prefer BIG... last may.. i flew LAX-HKG on CX A340-600... behind me were some middle age ladies that were complaining about how small the plane is... because it is not double deck.. then they go on to comment CX has to be not doing well on the route so they have do the downgrade n send such an old plane.. their comment also based on the configuration of the plane as CX's A346 is 2-4-2.. while 744 is 3-4-3..

well.. actually it is not true.. B747 is a bigger plane compare to A346.. however, A346 has a capacity that is quite near to B744.. A346 is one of the world newest n most modern plane.. it has lower noise level compare to B744 (from my own experience) n A346 is the world longest plane..
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Sat Jun 26, 2004 6:07 pm

I know, Asian people do have funny taste, but I can see where that are coming from:

(Double Decker, 4 engines = better than 2 engines, single deck)

Of course it is actually NOT true that 4 engines = safer than 2 engines, but Asian people just like to think the more = the better.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Sat Jun 26, 2004 6:09 pm

I don't actually think CX will send the 744 to SYD in the short term especially when there will be 3 daily soon. I mean it's better to have the flights filled up rather than flying a higher capacity aircraft and having it 20% empty for example. That is not to say it's impossible, but we might get the odd 744 when booking is really good. Time will tell how the flights will be like.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Sat Jun 26, 2004 7:08 pm

It is a Shame SYD will not see the 744 in the near future.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Sat Jun 26, 2004 7:43 pm

Let's face it, more frequency or 744?

I hope we got a night flight for the Mel route too
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Sat Jun 26, 2004 8:31 pm

I prefer just 2 flights (1 day and 1 night) and one fo them = 744.

To be honest, I guess people who want to connect to LHR during the day can now take the evening flight so the stupid 7:30am flight can essentially be eliminated!
Also the night flight enables people to connect to ALL Asia Flight and get to the final destination at a reasonable time of day.

You Melbouners should not be so GREEDY!
744 and also a night flight?!
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Sat Jun 26, 2004 9:09 pm

I don't really understand why it's a shame that SYD don't get the CX 744. Obviously from a passenger's point of view, more frequency is better. The new night departure (CX138) arrives into HKG at 5am meaning that there's some good 3 hours of transit. However, with the morning depature (CX110) passengers can connect to some Asian destinations with less transit time. (Not mentioning it'd probably be a 4am arrival during Sydney's winter schedule unless they do something about it).

Also, CX111 is quite a good flight for connecting passengers to Sydney (as they don't need to wait for the 2345 (CX101) departure)

Finally, CX has done the calculations and found that it's worth it to put 3 flights to SYD rather than upgrading an existing flight to a 744. Adding another flight incurs a higher cost than upgrading to a larger aircraft.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Sat Jun 26, 2004 9:36 pm

"Also there is NO way is the world you can say a 763 is more comfortable than a 744 (given the seats are the same pitch and width - and normally the 763 have tighter pitch and heaadroom)."

You mean there is NO WAY I can stick to my opinion that flying the 763 is more comfortable than the 744 ? My opinion is that my flights on QF 763s are MORE comfortable than SQ 744s... Add that with my SAS 762 and 763 long hauls (yes 762 back in the last millenium) still ranks as one of the most comfortable... When I say comfortable, I did not mean most entertaining... And oh, most of these experiences are on Economy class ciz I pay for my own tickets... Sometimes I go on Biz class, when someone pays for it that is, I look for value for money, something that "premium passengers" are looking more and more into nowadays.

"I know you should look at the demand on the particular route before making schduling decisions, but sometimes they should really look at the customer preference which in turn can affect the demand."

Passengers only care about aircraft preference when:
1. The type they're flying on is in the news (such as crashing a few days before or being grounded for safety reasons).
2. It looks older than their grandma's car.
3. One has PTVs and the other don't.

Other than aircraft preference, then they look at price, scheduling.

Anyways, Asiana and JAL fly their 763s along Asian routes with no probs on customer perceptions.

"The 763 does make people feel cramp and claustrophobic."

The 744 makes me feel more cramped and claustrophobic than the 767, 777, A300, A310, A330/340.

"I think the other dislike about 763 is that airlines generally DO NOT put new products on them (eg. QF)."

Well, I had better experience flying on a QF 747 SP or QF 763 (both with no PTVs) than SQ 744 with IFE (PTVs and it's paraphrenalia) because during that time, the SQ cabin crews were (or may still be) a grumpy bunch (which can take me a whole day to elaborate on here)... New IFE products, or better human service? Sorry, when in Economy class, I put humanity before TFT screens.

"Let's face it, more frequency or 744?"
I vote for more frequency! So this comes back to what I wrote above... I'm sure some would ask... "Why do you bother flying SQ SYD-SIN-CGK on a cramped SQ 744 when you can go on a QF 763 which you seem to prefer?"

Answer... SQ flies 3x daily to SIN, which gives me ample combination of scheduling with the SIN-CGK flight. I can fly from SYD, go for a meeting (although I have to summon people to the airport) and then go to a late flight SIN-CGK. The flexibility was more valuable for me during that time...

Now if there are others like me requiring similar things through Hong Kong, then the better flexibility is the choice.

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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Sat Jun 26, 2004 11:34 pm

CX123,

Well i am perfectly fine with the 333. Like what i said, unless you are in F or J upperdeck, then you simply have too many people to jump over to get off from your seat. i don't mind to get 3 333s flight to choose from!

And the "stupid" moring flight that you mention may not be as popular as before when ex-SYD, but you should know the inbound that land about 6:30am in the morining is very attractive to those who need to work/school.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Sat Jun 26, 2004 11:43 pm

I tried the morning flights CX110 and CX111 before and I will try and avoid it!

1) the catering on CX110 is really bad (Lack of food) even in F and J class
2) CX111, even if I arrive at 6:30am I feel extremely tired because the fact the flight is only 9 hours (even in F and J Class) No enough time to sleep and also that time of arrival (= 4:30 or 3:30am) is not a good time for my body clock! I did it once before and feel asleep during LUNCH
3) CX110, too early and I missed the flight once (and had to re-book on CX100).

I think if CX 100 can be brought forward 1 hour it will be better (not too late in HKG) However I understand they offer that flight for people to connect to LHR
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Sat Jun 26, 2004 11:58 pm

Well

Have to agree CX110, or in my case CX134 are badly catered. Or i should say they are way worse then those afternoon flights. I flown yesterday' CX134 in J, food are really nothing too special, while i won't say there was not enough food, but there are lack of attractive choices, the inbround CX135 menu was left in the seat pocket, and when i compared it, i was shocked the great differences between them.

I am the kind of person that never can sleep on the plane no matter which class i am in! But even so, i still find CX135 or CX110's arrival time in AUST is great, you get a full day to work/ or school, or you may actually need to trade off a day in HK for the earlier arrival!

I personally don't think the new CX139 (CX138 will be another story though) will be too popular for HK people, departing early in the moring and arriving late at SYD, what's the point!?
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Sun Jun 27, 2004 12:12 am

Well yes, I agree with those MORNING flight departing HKG and arriving late in SYD. I know QF did not do well on those flights. But I guess they need to do it so that they can offer the night flight. I think they will use that DAY flight for those cheap promotion tickets packages or other specials.

The last time I was on the morning flight CX110, the breakfast choice was E-FU Noodles or Omelete in J Class!!!
That is similar to Y Class and they now PREPLATE everything, so you can't get extras or try different things. Also the Portions have being reduced dramatically!! ( I remember from the shuttle flight YVR-JFK, I got more portion and choice on a 5 hour flight compared to this 9 hour flight!! Also NO ICECREAM available!

The lunch was even worst,
Either Steak or Vegetarian Pasta.

I had pity on the PAX on the H/K/G ,side as by the time the FA got to them they only had the pasta left (if looks really bad, and also given they were elderly chinese pax, I didn't think they like Pasta and cheese. They said they can offer them a Y Class meal!! That is bad, they should at least offer the F Class leftovers or the crew meal!!! How can they run out of choice after serving 9 pax?


Also I find annoying is that the excuse the FA told me for not serving snacks is:
People want to sleep!!! (who want to sleep between 9am-12pm?????)

Also he said the reason for the pre plating is due to SARS!
That is a load of bullshit!
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Sun Jun 27, 2004 12:29 am

The CX139 (9am departure from HKG to SYD) is targeted for connecting passengers from Europe and USA/Canada.

Meals ex outports such as SYD and MEL generally have a less comprehensive menu (not mentioning the rotating cycle).

"they should at least offer the F Class leftovers or the crew meal!!!"

Crew meals are usually similar to that of Economy Class... so that won't make a difference. And since First Class passengers can choose when to eat... there can't be much 'leftovers' the crews can offer when serving meals in J class.

"Also he said the reason for the pre plating is due to SARS!
That is a load of bullshit!"

Why is it a load of bullshit regarding the pre-plating being due to SARS? It is a more hygenic way of serving and also can reduce serving time (which means your meal will be warmer when you get it). Although it is a cost effective way and looks less 'classy' the upside is you get a warmer and more hygenic meal. Which one would you prefer?

 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD

Sun Jun 27, 2004 12:49 am

No the meal do GET COLD still as they put all the PRE PLATED meals on the trolley. Therefore I cannot see any improvement in Tempreature or hygene!

I was offer Plate service only 3 months ago on YVR-JFK in J Class, and that is like 6-8 months after SARS! therefore it is a LIE! It is because of COST Cutting not Hygene!

The original Plate service is better as the food are heated more therefore they stay hot for longer, Also they will have 2 FA coordinating, when something runs out (usually they only bring out enough for around 4 pax) the other FA will bring out more from the Galley. But now with the Pre plate, they lie it all out on the trolley!! Therefore get cold and Potentially Unclean!!!!

Meals even at OUTPORT used to be good!!

Only 3 months ago @ YVR, the meals were a lot better. Also I remember even in Y Class ex SYD, the meals were a lot better!!!!

I have flown CX for more than 20 years, so I think I know what the standards are! and I know WHEN they try to Cost cut.

"And since First Class passengers can choose when to eat... there can't be much 'leftovers' the crews can offer when serving meals in J class."

NO! In F Class they always Over Cater! therefore I am sure they have some leftovers!! I know the ISM always eat from the F Class Galley! (and F Class food)
Also the FLight Crew gets F Class food as well. If because of the lack of choice, the flight crew should've given up their meal and the pax should get the choice!!!

I am planning to write a suggestion/complaint letter to the MPO service centre next week!