iowaman
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How Are The Loads On Indy Air Doing?

Fri Jun 25, 2004 9:38 am

Are they at least 50% full on most flights? I would think that their several times daily to ORD on a CRJ wouldn't be very full when you can fly UA or AA on a larger plane. I don't think anyone has asked this yet.
 
PITrules
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RE: How Are The Loads On Indy Air Doing?

Fri Jun 25, 2004 9:51 am

Nothing official, but on the employee website, www.myflyi.com, employees can check loads when listing ourselves for non-rev travel. I would say the average load factor is 70%! Many flights are sold out. I personally have flown 3 flights between IAD and ORD. On one we had 50 people, 31 on another, and 41 on the last.

Considering advertising has just begun, and connection possibilities are minimal with the beginning schedule, we are pretty encouraged so far.
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RE: How Are The Loads On Indy Air Doing?

Fri Jun 25, 2004 9:54 am

This is very good one of more passengers goes on the Indy Air was doing good.
 
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RE: How Are The Loads On Indy Air Doing?

Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:14 am

We'll know the end of the month. If they don't report the months results, then you'll know it's not good.
 
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RE: How Are The Loads On Indy Air Doing?

Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:28 am

Considering advertising has just begun, and connection possibilities are minimal with the beginning schedule, we are pretty encouraged so far.

Well you have to remember they are using RJs... I certianly hope they could fill those if they have much larger aircraft on order. For example, a 70% load on a CRJ-200 is about 35 passengers or roughly equal to a 25% load of a WN 737-700. Not to discredit I-Air's current sucess, but just saying it isn't as wonderful as it sounds on paper.

Regards,
DFW
 
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RE: How Are The Loads On Indy Air Doing?

Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:29 am

You can informed me and you can get with the result of the load factor with Indy Air and you will let me know what happening for next?
 
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RE: How Are The Loads On Indy Air Doing?

Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:37 am

Dude... What did you just say????
 
scottysair
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RE: How Are The Loads On Indy Air Doing?

Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:49 am

what? I just said something about with the load factor was doing after 1 month with result of the passengers doing.
 
iowaman
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RE: How Are The Loads On Indy Air Doing?

Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:50 am

BoingGoingGone: He speaks ASL, I usually can figure out what he says, but I can't figure that out. Sad
 
PITrules
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RE: How Are The Loads On Indy Air Doing?

Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:52 am

OK folks, I went into myFLYi.com and got the loads for tomorrow, friday June 25. At first I wasn't sure if posting this was a good idea for competive reasons, but the competition can get this info anyway if they really wanted to. These are the average loads for the entire day. I only checked IAD to the outstations, not outstations to IAD.


City Pair- No. of Flights Offered- Avg. Load Factor
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IAD-ATL- 9- 75%
IAD-BOS- 9- 79%
IAD-CAE- 7- 70%
IAD-EWR- 9- 68%
IAD-HPN- 5- 64%
IAD-ORD- 8- 93% 3 flts sold out!
IAD-ORF- 6- 38%
IAD-RDU- 9- 56%
IAD-PWM- 6- 98% only 7 seats available!

Some of the weakest ones we have only been flying about 2 days.

Also, Independence Air has completed 100% of flights since day one (June16)

FLYi
 
iowaman
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RE: How Are The Loads On Indy Air Doing?

Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:55 am

Whats break even?

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frjmx328
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RE: How Are The Loads On Indy Air Doing?

Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:58 am

ORD and BOS have the highest load factors. Go figure huh? Give it time fellas, the 319 is on its way. Its awsome to see the I Jet flying. Has the sharpest paint on any airport hands down.
 
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RE: How Are The Loads On Indy Air Doing?

Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:59 am

Iowaman - I have no idea. The company has extra expenses right now with marketing and Airbus acquisition.

DFW - you have a valid point, but remember the CRJs are also running a much higher frequencey than the Airbusses will.
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RE: How Are The Loads On Indy Air Doing?

Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:59 am

Whats break even?

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Word is 30 seats sold
 
scottysair
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RE: How Are The Loads On Indy Air Doing?

Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:59 am

Pitrules,

Thanks for all of these information about load factor was doing pretty good and please keep it up need make more people are flying out of IAD.
 
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RE: How Are The Loads On Indy Air Doing?

Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:12 am

BoingGoingGone: He speaks ASL, I usually can figure out what he says, but I can't figure that out.

Gotcha...Thanks.
 
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RE: How Are The Loads On Indy Air Doing?

Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:43 am

Whats their CASM you should be able to probably figure out if they are making money based on their CASM. If their Casm is like 15 multiply that by the number of miles then times that by 50 and you get their break even costs. If you want to know if their making money average out the lower than low the 14 day and 7 day prices multiply by the number of passengers and you get a rough estimate.
 
frjmx328
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RE: How Are The Loads On Indy Air Doing?

Fri Jun 25, 2004 2:34 pm

Whats their CASM you should be able to probably figure out if they are making money based on their CASM. If their Casm is like 15 multiply that by the number of miles then times that by 50 and you get their break even costs. If you want to know if their making money average out the lower than low the 14 day and 7 day prices multiply by the number of passengers and you get a rough estimate.

Relax man. CASM for the RJ will not be accurate until all 87 jets are in Independence colors. That will be right around 9/1/04. The Bus comes into the picture in Nov, with proving runs scheduled to begin in september. Independence Air won't be making anything at all in its first year. Infact, the CFO here has predicted a net loss in the order of 40 million due to well, everything associated with starting a new airline. 2005 should be another story. The Bus fleet will be operational by then with 2 scheduled to arrive each month through 06'. For each bus present, CASM goes down. .08 cents is the target, and if the current loads keep up, look out. Guess we will have to wait and see. Far cry thus far from what the average airliners.net poster has predicted for us. Lets hope it stays this way.....
 
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RE: How Are The Loads On Indy Air Doing?

Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:11 pm

Awesome numbers - I'm particularly impressed by the PWM numbers. Even though it's only one day, and only one way, 98% to a smaller city like Portland is very, very impressive.

I can't say that any of the numbers are very surprising - you had to figure ORD and BOS would do well, due to the sheer amount of O&D traffic that each city produces. Same thing goes for the generally positive numbers between IAD-ATL and IAD-EWR.

As far as ORF goes, the 38% number there shouldn't really come as a shock to anyone. With only 150 miles separating DC and Norfolk, this isn't going to draw huge O&D, regardless of the fares that FlyI offers. IMO, they should have started Norfolk later in the summer, when their route network would have grown to accomodate connecting passengers. If this route does manage to thrive, it'll be from connections and not point-to-point traffic.

Overall though, a great start for Independence. Keep it up!


Regards,

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