iowaman
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Mesa Discontinues LAS-DSM

Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:15 am

I guess Allegiant won, no more flights from LAS on America West. Sad
 
wedgetail737
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RE: Mesa Discontinues LAS-DSM

Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:16 am

Well, what would you rather fly to LAS...CRJ-700 or MD-80. I also wonder if schedule had anything to do with it.
 
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RE: Mesa Discontinues LAS-DSM

Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:16 am

Amazing huh. You think Allegiant will be there in six months? Think not. Suck a market dry and run. HP will no doubt be back.
 
wedgetail737
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RE: Mesa Discontinues LAS-DSM

Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:21 am

Allegiant Air must be doing something right to chase off HP from DSM-LAS route and FL from MLI-LAS route.
 
iowaman
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RE: Mesa Discontinues LAS-DSM

Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:23 am

Well, what would you rather fly to LAS...CRJ-700 or MD-80. I also wonder if schedule had anything to do with it.

hmmm......... let's see

Allegiant- MD-83, flights leaves mid-morning, arrives mid-afternoon,
Mesa- CRJ, arrives at 3:30 a.m. and departs at 5:00 a.m.

Wonder which one I would pick. Big grin

By the way, what's the seat pitch on Mesa?
 
scottysair
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RE: Mesa Discontinues LAS-DSM

Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:25 am

This is not good news for HP is discontinue from LAS-DSM and when will bring them back with service to DSM again and I know already service from PHX-DSM, right?
 
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RE: Mesa Discontinues LAS-DSM

Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:37 am

Allegiant has ICT to LAS non-stop service. HP used to have daily non-stop service years ago, but dropped prior to Allegiant.
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RE: Mesa Discontinues LAS-DSM

Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:38 am

By the way, what's the seat pitch on Mesa?

What seat pitch????
 
iowaman
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RE: Mesa Discontinues LAS-DSM

Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:41 am

Amazing huh. You think Allegiant will be there in six months? Think not. Suck a market dry and run. HP will no doubt be back.

I don't think they will leave, loads are about 3/4 full out of there usually. And where else are they going to go to, Farmville, Nebrasha? Big grin

This is not good news for HP is discontinue from LAS-DSM and when will bring them back with service to DSM again and I know already service from PHX-DSM, right?

Mesa has twice daily from PHX. I think they should start once daily to CID.
 
iowaman
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RE: Mesa Discontinues LAS-DSM

Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:45 am

What seat pitch???

I can't imagine it being any worse than Allegiant!
 
scottysair
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RE: Mesa Discontinues LAS-DSM

Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:47 am

I can't tell about with the seat pitch onboard with the airplane.
 
asuflyer05
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RE: Mesa Discontinues LAS-DSM

Fri Jun 25, 2004 1:28 pm

Given the higher CASM of an RJ and the low RASM of LAS routes I would bet yield was more of an issue than load factor.

The timing couldn't have helped much except for connecting passengers. Seat Pitch isn't much of an issue because YV CRJs have 31" of seat pitch. The problem is it doesn't feel like 31".

Matt
 
iowa744fan
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RE: Mesa Discontinues LAS-DSM

Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:02 pm

"Mesa- CRJ, arrives at 3:30 a.m. and departs at 5:00 a.m."


Iowaman, when did this flight ever leave DSM at 5 AM? The one time that I saw it on the boards at DSM was earlier this month and the flight left at 9:35 PM (two hours late the night that I flew in). I have been trying to find it listed somewhere online, but no one has it anymore. The arrival time is correct, but the aircraft stays until morning when it leaves for Phoenix. The return flight to Las Vegas is done in the evening on a flight that arrives in DSM from Phoenix. This is the general trend that HP does with many of its flights from LAS (arrive in LAS really late and leave "really" early).

Also, as a side note, this is the third time that HP has cut the DSM-LAS service. They operated it a long time ago (like 13-14 years ago) with a 737, then tried it when Mesa operated the F70s, and again recently with the CRJ.
 
dbo861
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RE: Mesa Discontinues LAS-DSM

Fri Jun 25, 2004 5:02 pm

People say HP's PHX-DSM route is pretty successful, any chance of HP or America West Express expanding this route to larger jets or more frequency? I know they've tried a couple of times using 737s on this route.
 
flyboy7974
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RE: Mesa Discontinues LAS-DSM

Fri Jun 25, 2004 5:05 pm

my guess isn't loads, but just the better utilization of the crj equp elsewhere. with the allegiant competition, maybe they wants routes they can play with solo with no competion
 
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RE: Mesa Discontinues LAS-DSM

Fri Jun 25, 2004 5:27 pm

flyboy,
where else can they throw the crj in and not have to worry about competition???unless you start dro-las and gjt-las that used to be AIR21(anyone remember that airline???) routes the west is basically covered with regional jets......G4 has started to cover the midwest,rocky mtn west area and has done a good job with out pissing off the denver crowd, loads out of cos are full.......
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flyboy7974
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RE: Mesa Discontinues LAS-DSM

Fri Jun 25, 2004 6:02 pm

well a couple come to mind, billings is offered, eugene, meford, santa barbara, san luis obispo, all with crj and no competion. edmonton is on line now, maybe more smaller communities west of the rockies could use the crj service.
 
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RE: Mesa Discontinues LAS-DSM

Fri Jun 25, 2004 6:20 pm

Bring the Regional Jets to EAT. Robert NWDC10
 
asuflyer05
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RE: Mesa Discontinues LAS-DSM

Fri Jun 25, 2004 8:29 pm

People say HP's PHX-DSM route is pretty successful, any chance of HP or America West Express expanding this route to larger jets or more frequency? I know they've tried a couple of times using 737s on this route.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a bump in capacity either with a CR9 or adding a third flight. Right now gate space is becoming an issue at PHX while the new S2 concourse is being built.
 
iowaman
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RE: Mesa Discontinues LAS-DSM

Sat Jun 26, 2004 3:18 am

Iowaman, when did this flight ever leave DSM at 5 AM?

Whoops my mistake, I must be thinking of someone else.

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