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KLM 744 Makes Fuel Stop AMS-LAX

Fri Jun 25, 2004 2:40 pm

I was wondering what the reason was for a KLM 744 to stop for refueling today. The flight was KLM 601 AMS-LAX, and the aircraft was PH-BFD with 275 pax on board. It stopped in GEG for a "delayed fuel stop" and arrived at LAX at 3:30pm or so. Thanks!
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RobNL
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RE: KLM 744 Makes Fuel Stop AMS-LAX

Fri Jun 25, 2004 5:49 pm

It has probably been due to the weather conditions in The Netherlands on June 23/24: very strong winds (up to 29m/s) with heavy gusts and rain.
KL601 might have had to change it's routing to avoid the storm system as much as possible.

All intra-European KLM flights were loaded with extra fuel to be able to stay up in the air an additional 30 minutes in case they needed to hold or divert.

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[Edited 2004-06-25 10:52:43]
 
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RE: KLM 744 Makes Fuel Stop AMS-LAX

Fri Jun 25, 2004 7:45 pm

Also possible it took off with a reduced fuel load to enable it to climb over the weather as quickly as possible.
The resulting reduced range could have necessitated a fuelstop.
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RE: KLM 744 Makes Fuel Stop AMS-LAX

Sat Jun 26, 2004 5:12 am

GEG is a rather strange choice for such a diversion. One would expect a place like SEA, YVR or YYC which often sees heavies. Did they refuel on a remote pad?
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RE: KLM 744 Makes Fuel Stop AMS-LAX

Sat Jun 26, 2004 6:06 am

GEG would seem logical from a route standpoint, but could it also be because landing fees would be significantly less than at SEA or YVR?
 
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RE: KLM 744 Makes Fuel Stop AMS-LAX

Sat Jun 26, 2004 6:26 am

wow that would have been a site!
 
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RE: KLM 744 Makes Fuel Stop AMS-LAX

Sat Jun 26, 2004 6:55 am

Very unusual event. It has probably been due to the weather conditions in The Netherlands on June 23/24: very strong winds (up to 29m/s) with heavy gusts and rain. GEG seems a logical stop to me! Wish I was @ GEG to see it.
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RE: KLM 744 Makes Fuel Stop AMS-LAX

Sat Jun 26, 2004 7:40 am

I am assuming that the weather was the reason for KLM to cancel their flight into SFO yesterday? Today, 6/25, they flew in a 747-400.
 
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RE: KLM 744 Makes Fuel Stop AMS-LAX

Sat Jun 26, 2004 7:55 am

GEG? That just doesnt sound right .

If so all I can say is WOW. . That has got to be the first 747 to land there in years.

Anyone got pictures of this? It would be quite amazing. .

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RE: KLM 744 Makes Fuel Stop AMS-LAX

Sat Jun 26, 2004 9:00 am

there was a korean 747 in geg earlier this year I think or late last year, there is a pic on a.net
 
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RE: KLM 744 Makes Fuel Stop AMS-LAX

Sat Jun 26, 2004 9:26 am

My dad works on the groud crew for NW in GEG. He said it caused a bit of excitement around there for those who haven't seen or worked on a widebody jet before (besides the Fed Ex A300s). It had hardcore headwinds and the decision was made over Calgary that they would stop in Spokane for fuel. They choose Spokane because it is a Northwest station and it would be easier to fill up using the Northwest account for Jet fuel.

Being that no one had any stairs that coud reach the plane, they had to use the jetway which caused some problems for 2 Southwest 737s and an America West 737 that had to pull into their gates VERY carefully as their wings had to go under the 744's wings, almost glancing an engine in one situation. If one of the WN 737s had been a new 700 with winglets, they would have been out of luck parking.

Also, the plane stayed on the ground longer than expected due to the start valve on the no.1 engine being stuck closed, and had to be opened manually while the pilots started up the engine, and then manually close the valve again. The only option for reaching the engine was to have a mechanic come out and stand on a NW belt loader with a rachet and about 15 extensions on it to reach the start valve. Once the start valve was opened and the engine was started, my dad and a couple other ramp rats had to make sure the mechanic didn't get blown right off the beltloader before closing the valve again.

NOW THE FUN PART! My dad was the only one for NW with experience working on widebodies so he had to show everyone how to hook up the towbar and push that beast back. BUT, the plane now had the no. 1 engine going, and NW's payloader didn't have enough power to push back the plane by itself, so after a little time to figure out what to do, they called over a Southwest employee and they used the WN payloader to push the NW payloader pushing the 747. My old man says it was a bit tricky considering they had to push it all the way out onto the main taxiway around a couple sharp corners, in order to give it the room it needed. Like my dad said, it gave a little excitement to the workday.

BTW, Spokane used to get a bunch of NW DC-10s back in the 80s and even a couple 747s on diversions, but the difference now is that there are more gates at the terminal now, thus causing a bit of a problem for a couple southwest pilots trying to taxi in.
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RE: KLM 744 Makes Fuel Stop AMS-LAX

Sat Jun 26, 2004 10:36 am

Now that's a story!! Did anyone take any pictures???
 
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RE: KLM 744 Makes Fuel Stop AMS-LAX

Sat Jun 26, 2004 11:13 am

I think everyone was too busy servicing an aircraft that's 3 times the size of the normal traffic to have any time to use a camera (at least they should have been...)  Laugh out loud
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RE: KLM 744 Makes Fuel Stop AMS-LAX

Sat Jun 26, 2004 12:26 pm

Wasn't Air Force One in Spokane with President Bush last week? Or did he land at Fairchild AFB, and not GEG?
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RE: KLM 744 Makes Fuel Stop AMS-LAX

Sat Jun 26, 2004 1:08 pm

Bush visited Fairchild. GEG over SEA is an interesting decision. It cannot handle the widebodies like SEA and PDX can, but it is far less crowded and busy. GEG would have been a better place for a short stop, but it provided an interesting story, however not as interesting as a 777 in Yellowknife Canada.
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RE: KLM 744 Makes Fuel Stop AMS-LAX

Sat Jun 26, 2004 1:29 pm

There was a 744 in YWG flying the same route on June 6. During the airshow. Theres pics of it somewhere...
 
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RE: KLM 744 Makes Fuel Stop AMS-LAX

Sat Jun 26, 2004 1:37 pm

Well, unfortunately none of the employees that my dad knows of got any pictures, but he said a heck of a lot of passengers who knew enough to know that this big old bird wasn't a regular, took a bunch of pictures.

BTW, my dad said the 744 had KLM Asia titles on it.
 
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RE: KLM 744 Makes Fuel Stop AMS-LAX

Sat Jun 26, 2004 1:45 pm

Here is a pic of PH-BFD. No photos of it at GEG as of yet.

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