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6/25 Stocks: WN Up Over 5%, AirTran Up Over 6%!

Sat Jun 26, 2004 5:31 am

WNs (LUV) looks like it is up due to the settling of the labor contract.

AirTran (AAI) seems to be because S&P added them to a MidCap Index.

Incidentally, AirTran's stock is up about 40% in the past 3 months and 15-20% in the past 3 weeks!
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RE: 6/25 Stocks: WN Up Over 5%, AirTran Up Over 6%!

Sat Jun 26, 2004 5:48 am

Once again........as Warren Buffett once said... "If you want to become a millionaire investing in airlines, start with a billion dollars"
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RE: 6/25 Stocks: WN Up Over 5%, AirTran Up Over 6%!

Sat Jun 26, 2004 5:57 am

That's crap... it's just like any other industry. If you know what to look for, make the trades. You can make money on ANY movement, up OR down. If you know what things are going to trigger the movement, then you can do better. Certainly don't buy in and stay there for the long haul (although if you did that with WN, you would be doing just fine).
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RE: 6/25 Stocks: WN Up Over 5%, AirTran Up Over 6%!

Sat Jun 26, 2004 6:01 am

I'm going to try to buy WN soon...seems like it is a step for the future!

All except for F9 (FRNT), B6 (JBLU), US (UAIR), Pinnicle (PNCL), and SkyWest (SKYW) went up...
skywest was only down $.23, and, of course WN was up $1.23...so not a bad day at all for the airlines, most of the gains were 1% or more and all of the losses were 1% or less! Even China Eastern got in on the act (up $.14!)
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RE: 6/25 Stocks: WN Up Over 5%, AirTran Up Over 6%!

Sat Jun 26, 2004 6:58 am

Stay away from DAL and NW until they get the labor stuff figured out. If there is ANY hint that NW is going to settle the labor issue, go ahead and grab them - but not too much. CO isn't a bad investment, though. Most of the majors will benefit on the news about crude prices - and, in general, will benefit this fall when demand isn't so high so production can keep up. All of the majors will rise a little come fall because of this.

There is so much movement right now, a decent day-trading strategy of limit orders/notifications will allow you to grab a few percent every week. Obviously, you will need to have enough cash volume in play so that your gains are stomped by your trade fees.
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RE: 6/25 Stocks: WN Up Over 5%, AirTran Up Over 6%!

Sat Jun 26, 2004 11:42 am

bought into AAI (Airtran) maybe a year ago or so, when it was at 17. It's slowly climbing back up after a nose dive though. Hovering around 15 I think now.

Don't check it very often, and I'm confident the company will continue to grow, and in time, the stock price will rise accordingly.

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RE: 6/25 Stocks: WN Up Over 5%, AirTran Up Over 6%!

Sat Jun 26, 2004 12:09 pm

-Fox

Thats exactly what pushed the stock up 7.8%, they did resolve their labor contracts. The flight attendant union aggreement was the last labor issue to deal with, so hopefully with the summer quarter loads and lower fuel prices it should help push it to 20s. But, you never know the market in the summer is as boring as hell, so nothing major might not happen till fall.

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RE: 6/25 Stocks: WN Up Over 5%, AirTran Up Over 6%!

Sat Jun 26, 2004 12:12 pm

All except for F9 (FRNT), B6 (JBLU), US (UAIR), Pinnicle (PNCL), and SkyWest (SKYW) went up...

That's real soothing to my ears. Sad
 
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RE: 6/25 Stocks: WN Up Over 5%, AirTran Up Over 6%!

Sat Jun 26, 2004 12:15 pm

"That's real soothing to my ears."

Every day is different... trust me, I track them all.

Incidentally, LUV was up 7.8% at the end of the day and AAI was up 6.23%. Those were the BIG gainers!
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RE: 6/25 Stocks: WN Up Over 5%, AirTran Up Over 6%!

Sat Jun 26, 2004 12:36 pm

Every day is different... trust me, I track them all.

My dad bought F9 (FRNT) for me a few weeks ago at $9.50, it was down today Sad but still up from when I bought. Smile
 
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RE: 6/25 Stocks: WN Up Over 5%, AirTran Up Over 6%!

Sun Jun 27, 2004 1:28 am

"but still up from when I bought."

That's all that matters.
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RE: 6/25 Stocks: WN Up Over 5%, AirTran Up Over 6%!

Sun Jun 27, 2004 11:07 am

That's crap... it's just like any other industry...... So your saying a self made, multi BILLIONAIRE's has a bad business plan...? Sorry, I'll take Mr Buffetts advise.
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RE: 6/25 Stocks: WN Up Over 5%, AirTran Up Over 6%!

Sun Jun 27, 2004 11:41 am

"but still up from when I bought."

That's all that matters.


Ya, minus the fees. Sad


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RE: 6/25 Stocks: WN Up Over 5%, AirTran Up Over 6%

Sun Jun 27, 2004 11:45 am

Out of curiousty, what has Jet Blue's stock been looking like since they had their IPO last year? Overall value growth? Have they paid out any earnings?
 
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RE: 6/25 Stocks: WN Up Over 5%, AirTran Up Over 6%!

Sun Jun 27, 2004 1:27 pm

The easiest way to make a profit in trading airline shares is to sell them short. I recently advised a friend in the UK to short-sell Delta, and he made a nice profit of 50 pounds sterling as a result...

I saw myself as ultimately doing a favor for Delta by contributing to a lower share price, reducing the amount of shareholder equity and thus making it easier for them to declare bankruptcy if neccessary.

I might try a few more short-selling deals in the near future.

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RE: 6/25 Stocks: WN Up Over 5%, AirTran Up Over 6%!

Sun Jun 27, 2004 2:01 pm

What do you mean by "selling short"?
 
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RE: 6/25 Stocks: WN Up Over 5%, AirTran Up Over 6%!

Mon Jun 28, 2004 1:13 am

"Out of curiousty, what has Jet Blue's stock been looking like since they had their IPO last year?"

I don't believe they are up all that much. They spiked right out of the box but then settled back down. I don't want to open it up right now.

"The easiest way to make a profit in trading airline shares is to sell them short. "

It's no easier than buying them at the right time. Either way you are making a directional prediction. The nasty part is that you are, in effect, borrowing money to sell short and you can get really screwed.
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RE: 6/25 Stocks: WN Up Over 5%, AirTran Up Over 6%!

Mon Jun 28, 2004 1:59 pm

What do you mean by "selling short"?
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Essentially, You borrow shares of stock and then sell them. Lets say you sell 10 shares of XYZ short at $10. You get $100, but some day you will have to give your broker back 10 shares of XYZ. Lets say later those shares go way down and are only worth $2. Then you can buy back 10 shares to give back to your broker for $20, and that leaves you with a $80 profit. Or you can wait hoping it will go down even more.

If, on the other hand, the stock goes up to $25 dollars, it would cost you $250 to get those shares to pay your broker back. This would mean you lost $150. Or you can wait is the hope that the stock will go back down.

Needless to say, when you short stock you want the price to go down. In a technical sense, this is a high risk strategy since there is a limit to the amount you can make(the total value of the shares you are shorting at the time you are shorting them), but there is no limit to the amount you can loose(there is no upward limit on the value of stock). Some investors indeed use shorting as a short-term, high risk strategy. However, others use shorting as a way to balance out or "hedge" other investments - lowering their total risk. Most people who short stock automatically cover(that is, buy stock and then give it back to the broker they borrowed from) when the price of a stock reaches a certain point - this strategy does, in effect, create a limit to the risk.

Selling stocks short is an advanced strategy. Do not do it unless you know exactly what you are doing and are prepared to take the risks. You do not have to short stocks to make money in the market. Many very sophisticated investors who have made a lot of money over time never do it.

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