DFWJIM
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ATC Question:MIA - GRU

Sat Jun 26, 2004 8:55 am

Hello everyone,

Recently I flew to Brazil on AA flight 929, Miami to Sao Paulo. The flight flew over Cuba, the Caribbean Sea, Venezuela and then into Brazil. Once my flight left U.S. airspace would it be taken over by Cuban ATC or is there a regional ATC center for the entire Caribbean area? With all of the small island countries in the area it would seem be more efficient to have one centralized ATC system.

By the way flying over Cuba was pretty cool! I couldn't see Havana since we flew over the east side of the island but it was still a treat.

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RE: ATC Question:MIA - GRU

Sat Jun 26, 2004 10:42 am

I am not sure, but I do know that US flights are allowed to fly over Cuba. I would guess that there is some kind of regional center for the Caribbean (maybe based in MIA, who knows). After all, carriers from all other countries can fly to Cuba, so it would make sense.
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flymia
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RE: ATC Question:MIA - GRU

Sun Jun 27, 2004 12:55 am

I think MIAMI center takes alot of the Carribean until San Juan. I think there is a San Juan Center. Not sure but I would think there is a Havana or Kingston Center. Dont really think the FAA would control Cuban Airspace.
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RE: ATC Question:MIA - GRU

Sun Jun 27, 2004 12:41 pm

There are three air corridors for international flight crossing the Cuban territory, take in consideration that Cuba at its widest part is only 99 km about 60 miles wide so it is a quick crossing. All the three corridor go on North-South direction, the first one is just south of Florida Varadero- Giron, the second one is on the central part of the island the Moron Corridor and the third one, the one DFWJIM crossed by is located on the eastern part of the island and yes American carriers are allowed to cross the country following those routes and HAVANA Center is the one controlling the traffic over Cuba.
 
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RE: ATC Question:MIA - GRU

Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:52 am

Yes flights are allowed to cross Cuba.

and for kicks, American Eagle flies to Cuba from Miami to various cities in the Island such as Havana, Holguin and Santiago. They use ATR72's on these routes.
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RE: ATC Question:MIA - GRU

Mon Jun 28, 2004 9:20 am

I've flown (commercially) through the Varadero corridor many times...

I believe that's the one that spits you out over Cayo Largo del Sur, then it's direct ATUVI to Grand Cayman. Oh, man, what a flight...
 
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RE: ATC Question:MIA - GRU

Mon Jun 28, 2004 10:25 am

DFWJIM,

After leaving US airspace, first ATC would be Havana Centre, then Kingston Centre...Barranquilha Centre...Maiquetia Centre...Amazonica Centre and finally Brasilia Centre. The last two are already inside Brazil.

Alternatively, Bogota Centre might also be contacted, if route enters its FIR

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RE: ATC Question:MIA - GRU

Mon Jun 28, 2004 1:16 pm

The standard rule is that CIVILIAN flights only are allowed to overfly Cuba, unless the military aircraft is a medivac of some kind. And of course Cuba generates revenue by charging these airlines for permitting them to overfly.
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