FJWH
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Dutch Airliners

Sun Jun 27, 2004 1:16 am

How are the Dutch airliners doing? Profits, loses, pax, cargo and what do they and what can we, expect from the future?

How many do we actually have?
KL (Is KL still a Dutch airline?) MP, Dutchbird, HV, HollandExel. Are there any more?
Thanks

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jwenting
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RE: Dutch Airliners

Sun Jun 27, 2004 2:02 am

KL is now a French company, as is their daugher HV.
Both posted good profit figures for the last quarter and year.

MP is also in the black, don't know how much.

HollandExel is too young, hasn't posted anything yet. Mother company Exel avitation (owner of BonairExel and KLM Exel) is doing well AFAIK.

Dutchbird is also in the black.
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Boeing777/747
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RE: Dutch Airliners

Sun Jun 27, 2004 6:41 pm

I think the HV brand (Transavia Airlines and Basiq Air) will once be dropped off the market. Why would AF and KL keep those brands alive? What is the added value? HV is already flying "blue" cabin crew and KL-flightnumbers most of the time nowadays... and this trend sets through.
 
Vain~
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RE: Dutch Airliners

Sun Jun 27, 2004 7:54 pm

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I don't know who told you that, but HV has it's own "green" cabin crew, doesn't fly with KL flightnumbers an doesn't codeshare with KL/NW (since aprox. two years)
 
Bigfoot
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RE: Dutch Airliners

Sun Jun 27, 2004 8:44 pm

Transavia is a company with significant tradition and experience. It would be a real shame if it disappeared from the market because of the AF/KL deal.
Neverheless, for the moment, HV is retaining complete autonomy in respect to KL.

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jwenting
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RE: Dutch Airliners

Sun Jun 27, 2004 9:03 pm

The only times HV flies KLM flight numbers and uniforms is when they wetlease an aircraftt to KLM temporarilly.
This happens when KLM needs an aircraft and HV has to spare (so mainly outside the charter season).

During summer holiday season sometimes KLM aircraft fly for HV if and when HV needs the capacity.
For several years a KLM 737 flew with titles "operated for Transavia" next to the forward door.
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tripple7
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RE: Dutch Airliners

Mon Jun 28, 2004 12:30 am

There is a Dutch airline that is missing in this topic and that is V-bird. I don't know how they are doing, but I am really curious to know. I know they are increasing the amount of destinations and are adding 2 leased F-100s to their fleet of A320s. I don't know how they are doing financially. Someone with some info on V-bird?
 
jwenting
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RE: Dutch Airliners

Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:06 am

Vbird is too new, hasn't posted any results yet.

I've heard that loads are good.
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