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Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:28 am

Air New Zealand will tomorrow unveil a transformation of its Business Class cabin and also Economy Class.

There are no details as of yet.

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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:32 am

It i'll be interesting to see what they plan to do,especially since they generally get pretty good reviews.
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:48 am

That is good to hear. Although I currently put their Business Class above UA's and AA's sections already, I think this will be a good improvement. It is unfortunate that First class will go away, but it is probably the worst First Class seat on the transpacific market now, so not much will probably be lost. I am eager to see this 30,000$ seat.
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:55 am

A long overdue improvement for AirNZ. A cabin overhaul combined with their great cabin service will be great. NZ still beats most when it comes to service.

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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:58 am

The only thing I feel Y class needs on NZ are PTV's...the seats already have tremendous pitch at something like 34" (felt like more), footrests and winged headrests...but PTV's would just make it perfect...

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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:47 am

USAHummer-I'm not sure when, but they will be installing PTV's in Y class very shortly. I'm think it starts next month, or something like that, but I'm unclear.
*this will only be on 744 aircraft. 763's will not be affected.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:10 am

PTV's will be installed when each 744 is taken out of service to be re-fitted. First class is being taken out of the B744's. The first B744 to have the new Business class Flat-Bed seats and new Economy seats with PTV's will enter service in May 2005.
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 10:43 am

NZ's press release is at

http://www.airnz.co.nz/aboutus/mediacentre/pressreleases/air_nz_new+long+haul+product.htm

with pictures at

http://www.airnz.co.nz/aboutus/mediacentre/pressreleases/seats.htm
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 10:48 am

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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 10:54 am

So Air New Zealand are basically taking the new VS Upper Class Suite as their business class...interesting!

Those orange Y seats look comfy, a bit 70's though  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 11:00 am

Thanks 777ER!  Smile Forgot that it wouldn't automatically hyperlink
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 11:08 am

For me the one word that best describes the new Business Class is WOW. The new business class seats look like Emirates First Class seats.

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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 11:14 am

Wow, it is the exact same product as Virgin Upper Class. This is probably nicer than their current First Class product, and will be a good improvement.
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 11:19 am


It looks like a good product and finally ANZ will be able to compete with QF after years of being criticised for old and outdated infrastructure on their long-haul product. The Business class seats look very similar to VS and it is clear that the industry is moving into twin flat seat vs single seat camps.
What is with the painfully slow roll-out schedule? Considering these are enhancements other airlines including Qantas already have or are well underway in terms of installation, ANZ aren't even going to start till mid 2005 with completion due by the end of 2006. That's 2 whole bloody years away?! Who knows what developments their competitors will have by then. For an airline with such a small, 'boutique' numbers of aircraft, that is a very slow refurbishment plan. Perhaps they are still cash-strapped and trying to save money.
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 11:23 am

You can't even compare that business class to emirates first class so don't even go there.

All the photos that have been taken look like there all from virgin aircraft. By the sounds of it, its looks like they are going to be getting a decent IFE system for the PTVs - I'd thought it would be along the lines of non-AVOD, maybe 12 channels and thats it. A bit dissapointed that it says they have the option to intergrate games "in the future" - mind you they are not installing it for more than a year so hoepfully it will be installed with it then.

They could have come up for a better name for "super economy" - they should call it koru class - but thats just my opinion
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 1:33 pm

Brilliant, I think it will redefine travel to and from New Zealand as well as encourage Australian business travellers to SFO to let QF and LAX go.

Am eagerly awaiting the first pics of the new economy-plus/exec-onomy/koru-class as I'd been badgering NZ for this if they were to drop first. I can't afford business if I'm travelling on my own money, but with my regular flying, they're bound to bump me up when I have to fly economy now that there's a mid-level.

This is all great news. I really liked the VS's new Upper Class and was hoping NZ would do the same.

Perhaps an SQ, VS, NZ link-up and consolidation is on the cards!

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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 1:37 pm

To be quite honest guys I'm not very impressed.

Air NZ promised an amazing new product. There is nothing new about it..."revolutionary" they called it... about as revolutionary as theft.

The new business/first is exactly the same as Virgin Atlantic (but without the virgin flair).
And the economy is the same as Singapore's A340-500 seats... not exactly the wow I was hoping for.
I think this is a case of over-hype and under deliver for Air New Zealand. What a shame, I was looking forward to being able to call Air New Zealand one of the best, not just one of the rest.
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:03 pm

Aerohottie,

While I wasn't exactly blown away by the pics either - I was hoping for something a bit more interesting design-wise I guess - I think we should remember the following:

1) The "revolutionariness" of the premium product will depend on the price - if they're offering something equivalent to a first-class product for business-class prices then i think that would be quite revolutionary.

2) Given that neither VS not SQ's 345s fly here those seats would look pretty revolutionary to 99% of NZ's customers.

3) There is quite a while to go before these changes start filtering through - it's entirely possible that NZ are holding some things back...
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:06 pm

Does anyone know the cabin configs on the B744 and B772ER? Will the B744 nose and UD be the new biz class?

Any info on the B772ER config?

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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:11 pm


I actually like all that brown colour/retro-looking stuff-I think it looks quite cool.
as for: "3) There is quite a while to go before these changes start filtering through - it's entirely possible that NZ are holding some things back..."
There's nothing revolutionary about it because ANZ can't afford much more than that! This is an airline that has only just begun to emerge from the Ansett disaster and as it's website says, will fund these upgrades from it's cashflow, which is improving, but only just, hence the ridiculous delay before we will even get to see these announced changes. ANZ still has STACKS of debt to service-Standard and Poors have there shares still at close to junk-bond status. 'Revolutionary' upgrades are just not going to happen. At least with a more decent product, they will be streets ahead of UA, which will be lucky to even stay on the route.
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Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:22 pm

Air New Zealand First Class was my cabin back in 2000 from LAX-SYD SYD-LAX and it was very comfortable. The First Class seat was not exactly flat but it was very nice. The cabin was empty except for 6/9 people on both flights and it was wonderful. I did have time to walk around the 744 during the flights and noticed that the Business Class seat was not much different from mine other than a little less recline and the width was almost the same. The footrests were the business-type style in that they did not extend out flat but they still looked very comfortable. I fell asleep in First Class on the entire flight back right after eating for the 3rd time. It will be sad to see it go, it was a wonderful experience complimented by the wonderful service that AirNZ has been awarded with so many times.
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:23 pm

they will be streets ahead of UA, which will be lucky to even stay on the route. UA don't fly to New Zealan anymore, they now code share on NZ.

Any info on the B772ER config? As the B772ER's purchase have just been announced there is no news on its config yet
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:24 pm

Brutie.

Iguess you are right. The new seats are growing on me... I do like the brown better than the res on Virgin.

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United stopped flying on the US-NZ route last year... did you mean better to connect with NZ via NZ rather than direct OZ-US on UA???

I wish they had used the nice brown leather in economy, like on the A320's...now they look classy!!!

I'll still fly NZ regardless anyhow.

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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:30 pm


I guess I was refering to Aust/NZ-US market as a whole. For Australians, there are still 3 options to the US: QF/ANZ and UA. ANZ manages to persuade Australians to fly them (because it does involve an extra stop) to the US by offering deep discounts, as Qantas has pretty much pulled away from them with non-stop flights and a much better J and Y class.
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:44 pm

Wow That is really interesting. I must say the only reason I stayed away froM NZ is because of the inferior seat. but now everything has changed.
I bet you QF will get their Skybeds on the LAX route soon!
I think QF will face intense competition from these new seats!!! I personally HATE that slant seats. I mean back when you had nothing to compare they are OK, but now, with the BA flat beds and these new angled flat beds, those SLANT beds doesn't really measure up anymore, and I guess QF will once again lag behind!

When will NZ reinstate the SYD-LAX route?
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:49 pm

Looks good, it will be good for NZ on the whole, upgraded aircraft as well as new ones, should bring them more business I think. Hopefully now they can compete closer and more competitivly with their nearest rivals.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:54 pm

When will NZ reinstate the SYD-LAX route?

Don't no if they will or not, not in the near future atleast.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:55 pm

Finally they will be offering a decent product in all classes and i like the idea of a premium economy - i wonder i f QF will follow? I cant help but think that the new seats are a replica of the VS upper class, and am greatly disapointed that NZ have not come up with something more original!

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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 3:03 pm

They REALLY need to improve on IFE, but coach comfort and food is already great.
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 3:06 pm

Despite the seats is a complete replicate of the VS product, I still think it is the best J Class available (Much better than the Slant Beds, that QF is offering). However I though they could've customised it a bit more (eg. change the partition to a bit lower, change the shape of the seat a little (more interesting shapes) to distinguish themsleves.

So that means NZ will remove their F Class product?????

Their F Class product is never attractive as it is nearly the same as J Class.

QF will not be able to follow as it took them so long for the Skybeds already, by the time they finish installing it, it will be all outdated!
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 3:29 pm

Skybeds are very updated!!! NOT OUTDATED!!!!
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 3:53 pm

United Airlines!!

FYI those Skybed Designs were first INTRODUCED by VS back in 1999!!! and now the next generation of flat beds are here (the new Angle Flat beds by VS and NZ!)

Therefore they ARE outdated. Even on CX, I feel it is just NORMAL and nothing special. Comfort wise it is only slightly better than the old cradle seats.

Also the installation of Skybeds on QF have being way too SLOW!
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:00 pm

Cx123 - The QF Skybed has won numerous awards and is favoured by many over BA's flatbed. All your posts have a very anti QF line to them and you have little credibility because of this. I always try to present a balanced view in contrast.

Anyway back to the ANZ upgrade - long overdue. However by the time this fully rolls out ANZ has to realise that QF will have the mighty A380 coming on line.

Who knows what luxuries thay have in mind for the A380. QF will make sure the A380 beats anything ANZ can come up with.

In the meantime our Kiwi friends can start counting down there 12 - 24 month wait for PTV's. You will enjoy them!

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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:10 pm

It's good, I just saw it on the news. One thing though, those Orangey Brown seats, YUUUUUUUCCCCKKKKK!!!!  Sad
I would have prefered it if they went with blue or teal. But, a better product on a whole.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:10 pm

The QF Skybeds is just a Modification of the J2000 VS seat, CX new J Class, SQ J Class etc..

The awards you mentioned are all AUSTRALIANS!! becuase there are NO other Australian airlines! (Other than Virgin Blue!)

I must say in Y Class, I will prefer more Pitch than the stupid PTV which will also take half of the legroom!

I can already picture that QF will keep the CONSERVATIVE approach and the !380 will jsut have Skybeds initally and it will prob take them another 3 years to catch up (like most things in Australia)
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:21 pm

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Qantas Skybed Wins Prestigious Design Award
Sydney , 4 February 2004

The new Qantas international Business Class seat, Skybed, has won a Good Design Award from the Chicago Athenaeum Museum of Architecture and Design - one of the world's oldest and most prestigious international design awards.

Skybed was designed by Australian industrial designer Marc Newson, and developed by USA based manufacturer BE Aerospace in association with Qantas engineering.

The Executive General Manager of Qantas Airlines, John Borghetti, said he was delighted Skybed had received the international acknowledgment.

"Skybed is nothing like the traditional airline seat. It has a sleek, contemporary design and offers a range of innovative features that provide comfort, privacy and flexibility for customers," Mr Borghetti said.
Skybed is 6 feet, 6.5 inches (199.4 cm) long and 23.5 inch (60 cm) wide when fully reclined to 8 degrees. Its features include:

* a fixed cocoon-style seat surround to provide maximum privacy;
* a privacy screen between seats;
* extensive seat adjustment controls to ensure maximum comfort in any position, with additional seat controls inside the cocoon surround;
* cushioned lumbar support;
* a back massage feature;
* a large 10.4 inch (26.4 cm) screen with multi-channel entertainment;
* a PC power outlet that allows laptops to be plugged straight in without the need for adaptor cables;
* clever storage options including a shoe cupboard and glove box for spectacles and travel documents; and
* a water bottle holder.

Skybed is being progressively introduced on the entire 747-400 fleet. It will also be installed on the airline's new A330-300 aircraft to be delivered later this year.

The Good Design program was founded in Chicago in 1950 with the participation of some of America's most important designers. More information about The Chicago Athenaeum Museum of Architecture and Design Awards can be found at chi-athenaeum.org.

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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:26 pm

Why didn't other airlines get the award. QF is NOT the first one to introduce the seats!
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:30 pm

Quite simply CX123 - The QF Skybed is the best!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:34 pm

Urmmm, I prefer to BA Flat beds still, I guess it is my personal preference.

But I really don't see any Innovation or revolutionary about the Skybeds? It is just a replicate of VS(J2000),CX,SQ,NH etc.....s J Class product. Just with different fabrics and colours.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:02 pm

You've obviously never tried them...

They might LOOK the same but the subtleties seem to be beyond your naive eyes.
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:12 pm

And I think the skybed rollout is moving at quite a good pace. The LAX runs are starting to get the skybeds over the next few months and I'd place a bet that by the end of the year all 3 class services will have skybed with the 2 class services nearly complete also.

This will mean QF will have a superior product for at least 12 months on the AKL-LAX routes.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:18 pm

I tried it at SIN (the airport, they had a demo) Although it is not on board an aircraft, but it feels exactly the same as the CX J Class.

Everything the Skybed has, has being offered by other airlines already (eg. Massage funtion on NH,LH, Magazine rack on CX, Shoe Box - SQ, etc...)

Whereas one thing I find really useful that QF did not adopt = the 2nd table (in front of the TV) that CX offers is excellent (Especially when you have a laptop and are using during meal times).

Also can you ellaborate on what do you mean "naive eyes"??? Just because I experienced different products and have different opinions about it, what is so Naive about my opinions.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:19 pm

For me.....

1) Cathay Pacific
2) Singapore Airlines
3) British Airways
4) Qantas
.........

VS's is not as personal/high class as these 4 in my opinion.......

They all very good though.

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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:28 pm

My Rankings are as follows:

(in terms of overall comfort and service:

CX
BA/SQ
QF
UA


I have not flown in the new Upper Class on VS so can't comment. But I guess I can understand what you mean by VS being a bit non-personal.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:16 pm

A lot of the impact on Qantas will depend on whether NZ can resume its cancelled non-stops from Sydney to the US west coast.

In terms of comfort I think the NZ configuration will be even better than the Qantas Skybeds which I've only flown once but would rate as significantly better than the CX, SQ and BA product in terms of function not necessarily cabin service.

The BA beds are too narrow, too fussy, and have a loathsome rearward forward seating arrangement that is too silly for words.

If you look at the images on the NZ press release there seems to be more window visible from the seats than is the case with Virgin Atlantic. I could be wrong, but as someone who likes looking out of windows, the only obvious flaw with the Virgin Atlantic type layout seemed to be that you'd need to use a mirror to do it without going into contortions.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 9:58 pm

A few comments:

- Air New Zealand has not 'stolen' Virgin's seats. The seats were developed by Contour Premium Aircraft Seating, a commercial company. Evidently they don't have an exclusivity agreement on the seat with Virgin. The design is certainly very innovative, and it is good to see it will be seen on more than one airline.

- At the moment, on the 767s anyway, NZ's economy class seats are a mix of colours - blue, teal, red and orange. Perhaps they are going to be keeping the same multiple colour theme, and the pic simply happens to be of the orange variety? I don't now what the 747-400s are like at the moment, but I will be flying on one in a week's time, so I will let you know.


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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 10:57 pm

What time will this happen?
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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Mon Jun 28, 2004 11:25 pm

COEWR2587 - as per the press release linked from reply 8, "The refit will begin in the middle of next year and work on the last aircraft is expected to be completed by early 2006. Air New Zealand's eight new Boeing 777-200 ER aircraft, which start arriving from September next year, will have the same interiors and product."

Please note it says early 2006, not the end of 2006 like Qantasclub stated in reply 13...

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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Tue Jun 29, 2004 1:15 am

Although the Upper Class Suites are manufactured by Countour (Britax), Virgin are the patent holders. The details are a bit unclear at the moment, but it would appear that Virgin are licensing the product to Air New Zealand via Contour in some fashion.

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RE: Air New Zealand Relaunches Business Class

Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:50 am

it seems like the new NZ business seat is significantly wider than the QF Skybed which will no doubt be a significant factor in patient comfort.

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