squirrel83
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AS To HNL

Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:29 pm

OK peeps IN Feb I was asked about AS flying to HNL; at the time I just thought it was a stupid question, thinking if so it is years away. . . Now in AS latest post http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1627972/
Some one stated the following and I thought about it maybe its true so . . That's why I posted this out of Curiosity ~


Joining an alliance is the last thing on AS's mind right now as to flying SEA-HNL on an AS 739. Just is not going happen.

Does that last comment mean NO AS isn't going to Fly to HNL or they aren't considering it . . . . Or are just stating that they will not be using the 739 aircraft to HNL . .

Here are the squirrly questions - -

1st is this true?
When will this route be active?
Where will it fly out of? SEA-OAK-HNL or SEA-LAX-HNL or Another Dest.
Aircraft? 737-8 or 737-9?

[Edited 2004-06-28 12:33:19]

[Edited 2004-06-28 12:41:54]
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HikesWithEyes
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RE: AS To HNL

Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:36 pm

If it did happen, it would be a 737-700.
I really dont see us entering this market though.
Yields are supposedly low and the NGs are doing
well on the transcontinental routes.
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RE: AS To HNL

Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:48 pm

Squirell83:

You totally misunderstood what I ment by what I said in another thread:

Joining an alliance is the last thing on AS's mind right now as to flying SEA-HNL on an AS 738. Just is not going happen.

This means that AS will not join an alliance with anyone, just like they wont fly to HNL at all. Same analogy. Hint: They already codeshare with HA anyway.

Also this is what I put in the other thread:

AS has been, for countless years, considering starting a SEA-HNL or LAX-HNL or OAK-HNL or ANY HNL market. They study these possibilities and they have been doing it for years. But everytime they consider it, its the same conclusion: not much demand for the route(s) & not much money will be made for AS to even profit from it. Its just not going to happen.

There was an article about the reasons why AS always turn down the idea of flying to HNL in an Alaska's World (AS employee newspaper) in 1998 and they didnt see any market for it, but like I said, they always study the idea year after year and it always gets turned down.


AS will NOT fly to HNL anytime soon. You can dream, but its not going to happen. Like I said, AS Fleet Planning considers this every year and they've been doing it for countless years. How long they've been considering this is something I do not know.
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squirrel83
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RE: AS To HNL

Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:04 pm

jejeje I got it . . LOL I just like to get excited ~ curiosity ~ I Love dreaming and toying with the knowledgeable ~

Thank You for your Time and Posts ~
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nwa man
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RE: AS To HNL

Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:20 am

Hint: They already codeshare with HA anyway.


And NW, which already offers SEA-HNL and SEA-OGG-KOA-SEA, and is rumored to begin PDX-HNL in the near future...


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RE: AS To HNL

Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:26 am

Any new rumors of new AS destinations in the possible near future (say, next 6 months to a year?)
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RE: AS To HNL

Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:35 am

Alaska does fly to Hawaii..It is called Northwest airlines...Do you think Northwest will start flying to HNL from PDX? That would be great for Portland.
 
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RE: AS To HNL

Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:49 am

Do you think Northwest will start flying to HNL from PDX?


Eventually, yes, but it's dependent on three things: 1) success of the PDX-NRT route, which is off to a good start, 2) introduction of a PDX-MEM flight, an inexcusable hole in NW's network, and 3) retention of the PDX-DTW flight in the winter, another terrible gap in service. Those three elements would logically come from one thing - NW making money in Portland and expanding their frequent flyer base. If that happens, PDX-HNL will follow.


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RE: AS To HNL

Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:51 am

HA and TZ are on the SEA-HNL route as well. I personally don't think AS would operate to HNL, but Aloha also goes from the west coast to HNL in 737's so never say never.
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RE: AS To HNL

Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:11 am

Another thing to consider:

Mainland-Hawaii flights are traditional moneylosers for the airlines because there are very few profitable customers. At any given time, the vast majority of passengers are on tour packages, deep discount tickets, or are flying on a FF award ticket. The airlines traditionally keep these routes as loss-leaders mainly because it gives their frequent travelers someplace nice to go to.

Given the current state of the industry, I don't foresee AS opening service to a destination they won't be able to make money on...

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RE: AS To HNL

Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:15 am

SEA/ANC-HNL makes sense for the 73G fleet. The routes could be added at little cost by routing existing aircraft westbound/southbound by 9pm and returning my 8am which is trad downtown anyway.

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RE: AS To HNL

Tue Jun 29, 2004 8:58 am

The HA/AS codeshare covers more than just SEA-HNL. It also includes SFO, LAX, PDX, SMF, and SAN to HNL, and PDX and SEA to OGG. Plus you got the NW and CO flights between Hawaii and the US mainland also flying under the AS codeshare.

ANC-HNL is difficult on a 73G without winglets. AQ constantly had to leave bags behind when they temporarily flew charters for Hawaiian Vacations. How do I know this? The bags ended up going on HA's Hawaiian Vacations charter flights to ANC.

Mainland-Hawaii routes don't lose as much money as most people think. There is a reason why airlines keep adding flights to Hawaii. Not only is there demand, but the yield also has to be satisfactory because in the current climate, airlines can't afford to add flights that lose much money.
 
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RE: AS To HNL

Thu Jul 01, 2004 4:56 pm

Alaska does fly to Hawaii..It is called Northwest airlines...

Hmmm I never saw AS fly their OWN aircraft to Hawaii. So, AS does not physically fly to Hawaii at all. And yes, NW flies to Hawaii as well as Hawaiian (duh!) and AS codeshares with BOTH airlines.

The HA/AS codeshare covers more than just SEA-HNL. It also includes SFO, LAX, PDX, SMF, and SAN to HNL, and PDX and SEA to OGG. Plus you got the NW and CO flights between Hawaii and the US mainland also flying under the AS codeshare.

That pretty much sums it up and hits it on the nail completely.

AS has pretty much had its bases coverd by codesharing with HA/NW for these transpac flights. If AS tried to do a flight themselves, they would lose money on the route. ANC-HNL wouldn't even be profitable at all, even for those Alaska cruises, it still wouldnt be profitable. I mean...think about it.

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