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Western Pacific...where Are They?

Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:52 pm

Whatever happened to Western Pacific? When did the 'die' out? How long did they last? What kind of service was offered on these flights? I know they had 737-300s and their livery had that WP in the front of the aircraft with cowboy logos on the tails. What happened to this company?
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RE: Western Pacific...where Are They?

Mon Jun 28, 2004 9:18 pm

WP was a LCC that was based in COS. They only lasted a few years before their financial problems got the best of them. They went into Bankruptcy in October, 1997 and then finally ceased operations on February 4, 1998. There was some speculation that Frontier was interested in purchasing them, but after reveiwing the books, they walked away from it.

Their aircraft had all kinds of advertising on it. My favourite one ws the 737 with the Simpsons on it.
Their service was typcial LCC stuff. Light snacks and beverages.
If you want to see their route map, here is a little "gem" I found:

http://www.trainbrain.com/westernpacific.html

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RE: Western Pacific...where Are They?

Mon Jun 28, 2004 10:12 pm

 
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RE: Western Pacific...where Are They?

Mon Jun 28, 2004 10:28 pm

Who has WP's 737s now? Are they all in the desert or are they still flying?
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RE: Western Pacific...where Are They?

Mon Jun 28, 2004 10:30 pm

I would guess since they went out in 1998 the planes have since been taken up by other carriers.
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RE: Western Pacific...where Are They?

Mon Jun 28, 2004 10:53 pm

Here's a link to WP's fleet. Interesting to read what billboards they had then.
http://www.geocities.com/~aeromoe/fleets/westpac.html Regards.  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Western Pacific...where Are They?

Mon Jun 28, 2004 11:03 pm

As I understand it, WP's main problems came after moving to DEN from COS. The low costs of operations at COS were basically all that was keeping them profitable. When they moved to DEN and faced direct competition from F9 and UA, plus the added cost of operations at DEN, they could not sustain their success.

Of course, that's all second-hand information.
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RE: Western Pacific...where Are They?

Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:12 am

>>>Who has WP's 737s now? Are they all in the desert or are they still flying?

I can recall where all of them went, but I beleieve 4 or 5 went to Delta, 4 or 5 went Southwest, and a few went to various overseas users. The old Simpsons aircraft was one of the ones that went to Southwest, and it was repainted....
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RE: Western Pacific...where Are They?

Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:14 am

Didn't they agree to merge with F9 at one time? The merger was later called off due to 'different business philosophies' or something like that. WP went down the drain shortly after that announcement was made.
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RE: Western Pacific...where Are They?

Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:16 am

Is that already gone with Western Pacific back of late 90s. I am sure will get rid of them with their aircraft to WN.
 
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RE: Western Pacific...where Are They?

Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:07 am

Southwest did not get them all, just 5...

REG.......MSN...LINE..TYPE....TO SWA......REMARKS

N657SW 23331 1111 737-3L9 05/21/1998 ex N960WP Western Pacific

N658SW 23332 1118 737-3L9 06/08/1998 ex N961WP Western Pacific

N659SW 23229 1112 737-301 07/01/1998 ex N950WP Western Pacific

N660SW 23230 1115 737-301 06/08/1998 ex N949WP Western Pacific

N661SW 23173 1098 737-317 08/01/1998 ex N946WP Western Pacific
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RE: Western Pacific...where Are They?

Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:43 am

In addition to the 5 that went to Southwest, here's where the others were (as the 12/2002 date of Bill Harms' last list)

Delta got 4, Varig 3, America West 2, VASP 1, and others are scattered around the globe with various operators..


23384 1427 B737-3B7 CFM56-3B2 08/14/87 AMERICA WEST AIRLINES (LIFT ARIZONA) N332AW N378AU, N509AU, N953WP

23748 1381 B737-3Y0 CFM56-3B2 05/08/87 AMERICA WEST AIRLINES (ACG ACQ.) N334AW EC-EBY, EI-BZT, SE-DLO, PP-SOB, EC-356, EC-FRP, XA-SIZ, SE-DLO, N962WP

23376 1308 B737-3B7 CFM56-3B2 11/19/86 DELTA AIR LINES (GECA) N947WP 253 N370AU, N501AU

23259 1132 B737-301 CFM56-3B2 07/15/85 DELTA AIR LINES (GECA) N948WP 252 N307P, N581US

22951 1007 B737-3B7 CFM56-3B1 11/27/85 DELTA AIR LINES (GECA) N951WP 251 N351AU, N372US

23378 1339 B737-3B7 CFM56-3B2 02/09/87 DELTA AIR LINES (GECA) N952WP 254 N372AU, N503AU

28870 2899 B737-33R CFM56-3C1 06/27/97 VARIG BRASIL (GATX) PP-VPX N965WP

28871 2900 B737-33R CFM56-3C1 07/02/97 VARIG BRASIL (SUNR) PP-VPY N966WP

23787 1374 B737-3S3 CFM56-3B2 04/24/87 VARIG BRASIL (ACG ACQ.) PP-VQW G-BNXP, CC-CYE, N954WP, N375TA, PP-SFL

24212 1633 B737-3K9 CFM56-3B2 11/14/88 VASP (BIAL) PP-SFJ CS-TIF, N945WP

28869 2887 B737-33R CFM56-3C1 06/27/97 OLYMPIC AIRWAYS (BOUL) SX-BLA N964WP

24463 1701 B737-3Y0(F) CFM56-3B2 04/28/89 BLUEBIRD CARGO TF-BBD JP-FQ N1779B, EC-245, EC-ENT, EI-BZR, YV-99C, N955WP, OY-SEE

24299 1598 B737-3Q8 CFM56-3B2 11/01/88 MYANMAR AIRWAYS INTL (RGA) S7-RGM KM-GR EC-ELJ, EC-594, EC-FER, N956WP, PP-SFM, N611LF

28868 2881 B737-33R CFM56-3C1 05/14/97 FREEDOM AIR INTL (ORIX) ZK-SJB AB-JQ N35135, N963WP, PP-SFK

24299 1598 B737-3Q8 CFM56-3B2 11/01/88 REGIONAIR (ILFC) S7-RGM EC-ELJ, EC-594, EC-FER, N956WP, PP-SFM, N611LF [LST/OPF UBA]
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RE: Western Pacific...where Are They?

Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:37 am

The merger with Frontier was indeed called off to incompatible cultures, but that can also be translated to "Frontier saw the books and went running".

WestPac was in serious trouble long before they moved to DEN, as a result of too-quick expansion with too-little foresight. Their move to DEN and their new image was a way to combat that, they hoped, with access to new business travelers. They lasted a few months after that.

My mother was on the last EWR-DEN flight. In fact, they announced that WestPac was bankrupt when they were airborne, and started passing out the booze. It was pandemonium when she got to DEN - no one was there to marshall the plane in, they had to find someone to drive the jetbridge, and her bags took almost 90 minutes.

I heard about it just as I was exiting the NJ Turnpike after leaving her at EWR, near my house at the time in Bordentown, but by that time, her flight was already slated to take off, and according to EWR's info line, it did.

She was supposed to connect DEN-PDX, but that obviously wasn't going to happen, so she spent a couple of days in DEN and ended up going home on UA, who wanted $200 or so in fees and taxes, even though they said they'd honor the ticket.
 
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RE: Western Pacific...where Are They?

Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:01 am

In fact, they announced that WestPac was bankrupt when they were airborne, and started passing out the booze.  Big thumbs up

Now that's a classic story to tell! Hillarious!
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RE: Western Pacific...where Are They?

Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:39 am

"I'm broke...f*ck it. Let's get drunk."

As I understand it, this is kinda' what happened on the last NJ flight, MCI-DEN.

But then, I wasn't there that night. I showed up the next morning for work...
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RE: Western Pacific...where Are They?

Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:43 am

I think if you look in the mojave you will find Western Pacific  Big grin
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RE: Western Pacific...where Are They?

Tue Jun 29, 2004 8:45 am

The one which went to VASP now has registration PP-SFJ (cn 24212/1633). To my knowledge it still flies and I saw her about a month ago at Congonhas (CGH).
 
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RE: Western Pacific...where Are They?

Thu Jul 01, 2004 4:50 pm

Thanks for all the replys guys. I often wondered what ever happened to them, it seemed to me like they just fell of the radar map without a trace.

Im also glad to see that WP's old planes found new life elsewhere opposed to the ones that are sitting in the desert somewhere.
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RE: Western Pacific...where Are They?

Thu Jul 01, 2004 8:04 pm

This is a sad, sad topic. WP was doing quite well at COS, actually. Then Ed Beauvais had a heart attack, and the new jackass decided that competing against UA and F9 at their brand new super expensive home airport was a good idea.

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RE: Western Pacific...where Are They?

Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:05 pm

Gigneil, I was gonna say just similar as I was reading down before I read yours.

While Beauvis was in charge, the airline was great. After Beauvis left, some new jackass took over who HATED the logojets. The logojets helped keep prices down because FOX network etc was paying them for the flying billboards, therefore the airline could charge low prices to its pax.

The new guy was a hardnosed conservative (not necessarilly politically, but businesswise) a##ho## businessman who totally changed the format of the airline. He got rid of the lowfare airline and wanted to turn it into a businessman's airline, therefore higher prices for fares.

Of course that didn't work. That chased the low fare people away and I don't think snooty suit wearers would want to fly on a plane with the Simpsons on it because the new guy couldn't repaint the aircraft fast enough. This all happened before the move to DEN... which was a mistake for several reasons too...

Taking on 2 other carriers
losing your hub "monopoly" at COS
COS has actually been an alternate airport for people who live in the south Denver area.

An alternate case I could see like that would be Pan Am mk 3 or Southeastern moving from SFB to MCO and having to battle Southwest and Song on routes.
 
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RE: Western Pacific...where Are They?

Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:41 pm

Is there a copy online anywhere of the "new" westpac livery that came out in 1997, but was never placed on their aircraft? I've got a timetable that shows it (they were getting away from the "logojet"), and always liked...different.

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RE: Western Pacific...where Are They?

Fri Jul 02, 2004 12:16 am

I got to ask: Did I strike a nerve with some of you guys on a touchy subject? I hope not. I just wanted to know what happened to WP. I apologize if I upset anyone on this subject. Thanks.
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RE: Western Pacific...where Are They?

Fri Jul 02, 2004 5:43 am

Beauvais didn't do a stellar job of running WestPac... they were never wildly profitable, and were frequently under the guns of their lessors for failing to meet lease covenants. No matter how cool the routes or the logojets, remember that these airlines are in business to make bucks, and Beauvais hasn't ever been good at that (America West, WestPac, MAX)...

Granted, Peiser (I think that was his name) was actually MUCH worse than Beauvais, but let's not throw glory around where it's not needed.
 
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RE: Western Pacific...where Are They?

Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:42 am

THE "NEW" WP COLORSCHEME:

Hey Guys,

Here is a link to a timetable with the "new" WPA colorscheme (of June '97 and on...) rather attractive, actually...

http://www.airchive.com/Timetables%20and%20Maps/WestPac%20Compressed/WPcover9706.jpg


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RE: Western Pacific...where Are They?

Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:51 am

Is it just me, or does that "New WP" livery look remarkably like the Southwest Triple Crown One 737? Different colors of course.... but the basic design is very similary I think...
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RE: Western Pacific...where Are They?

Fri Jul 02, 2004 3:56 pm

That's the livery that debuted at the same time as their move to DEN... I never really cared for it.
 
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RE: Western Pacific...where Are They?

Sat Jul 03, 2004 5:16 am

Here's one more tidbit: WestPac had a new res building constructed on the west side of Colorado Springs close to the Garden of the Gods but they went under before they could move in it. Cheap Tickets saw a good deal and bought the building and runs a large call center there. I've been inside and they have a great view of Pike's Peak out of their ceiling to floor windows.

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RE: Western Pacific...where Are They?

Sat Jul 03, 2004 5:37 am

In some forums a while back about possible new routes for Southwest, some of us wondered why they never went into COS, before or after WP. At COS, WN could serve the Eastern Colorado market, especially those who are in the suburbs south of Denver. (Probably a lot closer than DIA for many). This could allow them to tap in to the 'Denver' market, without going into high cost DIA. The Colorado Springs area itself with the tech businesses and military (Air Force Academy, other installations) there could offer a steady stream of customers. They could offer flights like to PHX, LAX, BWI, DTW, Midway, etc..
 
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RE: Western Pacific...where Are They?

Sat Jul 03, 2004 5:44 am

That has always puzzled me too, especially with the growth in ColoSpgs and to the south of Denver. I think WN is going after markets where the profit is even greater than what they could make at COS. With over 100+ cities begging for Southwest service, and some even sending Herb cases of Wild Turkey in the past, there's only so much they can do. Hopefully someday....

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