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MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:16 am

Press Release from the STATE OF WISCONSIN
JIM DOYLE, GOVERNOR
State Capitol Room 115 East, Madison, Wisconsin 53702 • (608) 266-1212 • FAX (608) 267-8983 • governor@wisconsin.gov
Monday, June 28, 2004

Governor Doyle, Senator Kohl Help Break Ground on New Passenger Rail Station at Milwaukee’s General Mitchell International Airport
Governor Also OK’s $4.8 million Project at GMIA to Reconstruct Taxiways

MILWAUKEE – Governor Jim Doyle, U.S. Senator Herb Kohl, Wisconsin Department of Transportation Secretary Frank Busalacchi, and other federal, state, and local officials broke ground today on a $6.5 million project to build a new passenger rail station at Milwaukee County’s General Mitchell International Airport (GMIA). The new station, platform, and parking facilities will be located on the western edge of the airport along existing Canadian Pacific Railway lines.

The station will serve rail passengers connecting to the airport, along with
rail-only passengers utilizing Amtrak’s Hiawatha Service that provides seven round trips daily between Chicago and Milwaukee. Senator Kohl secured the federal earmarks to fund the project.

“Along with providing air and rail passengers a convenient travel connection,
this new station represents another component of my Grow Wisconsin plan to support economic development and job growth,” Governor Doyle said. “I especially want to thank Senator Kohl for his leadership and hard work in securing the federal funds to make this project possible.”

General Mitchell International Airport and Milwaukee County have agreed to
provide a shuttle bus connection between the airport and the planned 1,800-square-foot rail station. Work on the station should be complete before the end of this year. Canadian Pacific Railway has already completed
much of the track work required for the project.

“This station will connect Amtrak’s Hiawatha service – which boasts the best
on-time performance of any Amtrak route – with the approximately six million passengers who pass through General Mitchell Airport each year,” Governor Doyle said.

(snip)

I got the above emailed to me, so I don't have a corresponding link nor have I included the remainder of the text.

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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:26 am

So, they will make construction of new train station near of MKE?
 
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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:39 am

Milwaukee should spend more money remodeling that horrid airport and forget about a train station I suspect hardly anyone will use.
 
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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:42 am

I know that cost and feasibility is a big issue, but if airports are going to be expanding their rail connections, I would love for them to figure out how to integrate the rail stations into the terminal itself. This is the model in Europe (which, of course, relies much more heavily on rail travel), and it is much more convenient. I've taken the MARC train to BWI several times, and I hate having to lug my bags onto the cramped shuttle bus just to get to the terminal.

Of course, the logistics of such operations are difficult, and I don't want taxpayers to be stuck with an even larger bill.
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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:44 am

Scotty, yes, that's exactly what is happening. Starting today.

Jblack1, for the record, Concourse C is being overhauled and might actually already be started. Most of D is pretty nice. And I'm not sure what part of E really needs it. And the retail and concessions area has recently been completely renovated and there's new FIDS throughout the entire place. Sure, baggage claim and car rental still sucks, but for the most part, they're already well into some decent remodeling.
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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:49 am

Dunno what you guys are complaining about Milwaukee for. If you wanna rip on an airport, I was just in Seattle and it looks like it just came from the 60's via the 70's. It needs a major overhaul. Milwaukee is a great airport, and its very simple to use.
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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:57 am

I was just in Seattle and it looks like it just came from the 60's via the 70's. It needs a major overhaul. Milwaukee is a great airport, and its very simple to use.


MKE can't hold a candle to SEA.

However, Mitchell is very simple to use, security lines (at least for the E Concourse) aren't bad at all, you can get an Usinger's brat in the main terminal, like I did on Saturday, and provided you haven't checked any luggage, you can get from your gate to a taxi in about 5 minutes. Tough to beat.

I plan on using the MKE train station, although I do suspect that I won't have much company, at least on the downtown Milwaukee - Mitchell leg of the trip. There's not a ton of business being done downtown, and sprawl has taken over Milwaukee. If anything, ORD fare refugees will get on the train at Glenview and make Amtrak some money, because it's not going to be made from car-dependent Milwaukee residents.


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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:58 am

Well, I'd rather see something done at MSN!
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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:05 am

Simply put, I think this station will serve only IL residents, or perhaps a few folks that might board the train at Sturtevant (Racine, WI). It allows "Chicago's Third Airport" to be an advertised 70 minutes from the Loop. If HSR is ever implemented, that time gets cut down even a bit more. Basically, I think it's a facility that's LONG overdue.

To that end, it could be a good opportunity for Midwest Airlines to, say, codeshare with Amtrak on any of its Hiawatha runs between the Loop and the airport. Or perhaps schedules will be adjusted to meet certain banks of flights. It's tough to say.

Ssides, you make a good point though...a truly intermodal connection at the airport would be much more ideal as is done in many other locations.
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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:07 am

Well, I'd rather see something done at MSN!


GOOD NEWS! We're already done with remodeling the "Commuter Gate" and Gate 2 @ MSN and now are currently working on Gates 3-5. Should be completed in 2005 sometime with an additional building added on the south end of the building for the commuter terminal, and more gates will be added at the "new" Commuter gate.
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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:11 am

To vaguely tie the MKE train station and MSN terminal carpeting topics together, MSN also has a proposed train station location of their own:

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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:13 am

Wow! That must have happened after April 10th.
Or maybe I just didn't go over there.
My last flight out of MSN was on ACA. So that might explain why I am not so up to date on the carpets.
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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:15 am

Would AMTRAK re-route from Columbus to Madison to add MSN into the route? Currently the Chicago-Minneapolis Route is 30 miles north of MSN. The proposed site is also currently employee/long-term parking.
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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:17 am

Well....... then you saw the new stuff. Go down to around gate 8 and see what it used to look like. The new stuff looks good compared to what it used to be. BTW... Baggage Claim #3 and the Car Rental area used to be a loading dock (last known time was early 2003)
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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:18 am

May I say, that, since there is ZERO passenger traffic to Madsion, it would be INSANE to plan that corridor!!!
Well unless they'd get some good old German technology and build a Maglev aka Transrapid.
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BTW, Smcmac, is it still possible to get 4 tickets for the Badgers game vs. Illinois?
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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:20 am

NW is our biggest carrier with 18 flights a day to MSP, DTW, & MEM. Our next biggest is UA with 15 flights to ORD & DEN. Then AA to ORD.

I dunno about the tickets to the Illini game. I'm lookin' for Rams @ Packers tickets for 11/29.
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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:25 am

Good luck, man!

My best friend is flying over with his bros thus he wanted to go.
I guess the family of my girl friend can see what they can since they are from AWESOME Pardeeville.
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EDIT: Grammar....

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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:36 am

Perhaps when the station is complete, they can fund another project to set up a tram to make runs from the airport to the terminal (it could also stop at the miniature international terminal if it's not already connected to the main terminal).

As another poster mentioned, GMIA (MKE) is hardly out of date. The airport recently remodeled the entire concessions area (food court) in the main terminal; also, they just built a new Starbucks in the food court. Also, they removed the old status monitors and replaced them with brand new LCD status monitors used for all airlines. They will soon start remodeling concourse C. The rest doesn't even need remodeling.
 
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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:45 am

Interesting Stat:

1hr 10min - Loop to O'Hare on the "El"

1hr 20min - Union Station to MKE Stop on Amtrak


Looks mighty tasty if I was living/working in downtown Chicago.

Additional plans are in the works for the Metra Line to extend to Milwaukee with a stop at MKE (east end of property), don't go holding your breath on getting that completed anytime soon.

This is great news for Chicago's third airport!

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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:47 am

I agree with Ssides... rail connections to airports are a good idea, but in many cases here in the US, we've botched our attempts at tying the two together. In Europe/Asia, the trains often go directly into the terminal, usually on the lower level. The direct connection between train station and terminal is what *makes* the whole setup convenient. Throw in a shuttle bus or a long outdoor walk and it immediately becomes a hassle.

Granted, rail transportation is nowhere near as popular here as it is in Europe, but the few attempts we've made don't really seem to go far enough. To really be successful, a passenger should be able to step onto a train in the city and step off at the airport terminal. SFO is an exception - the BART trains come right into the International Terminal.

But look at the T in Boston - it stops a good mile away from the terminal buildings. Look at the Chicago Midway el line, which drops you off behind the parking garage, a good fifteen-minute schlep from the ticket lobby. Look at the JFK AirTrain, which strikes me as a colossal waste of time and money. The fact that a city as large and rail-savvy as New York has no same-train rail connection to its airports is really an abomination. They deserve something as well-planned and popular as the Heathrow/Gatwick/Stansted Express in London.

My hometown of Dallas is talking about extending the DART light rail to DFW airport - via some of the insanely routed track routings I've ever seen. They seem determined to make the trip (on one of the itty-bitty light rail cars) as long and inconvenient as possible. On the plus side, the plan does call for a Love Field station - right underneath the main lobby!

Sorry to veer from the topic, but I am frustrated by our half-assed attempts at air-rail connections here in the United States. All too often, we go for the cheapest and least convenient options. IMHO, the only American cities that have really done the air-rail linkage properly are San Francisco, Washington DC (the Metro to DCA, *not* the BWI train) and Cleveland. This MKE fiasco looks like another strikeout to me.
 
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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Wed Jun 30, 2004 6:05 am

1hr 10min - Loop to O'Hare on the "El"

More like 45mins.. cost : $1.75

1hr 20min - Union Station to MKE Stop on Amtrak

Will this cost less than $1.75?
Currently Union Station to Milwaukee is about $20.00

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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Wed Jun 30, 2004 8:55 am

Craig, just a modest correction...no airport stop was ever intended for the Metra extension, which has earned the backing of the governor anyway, although the UP tracks form the NE boundary of the airport property (see the PDF map).

Mt99, I don't believe that this will effectively compete with the market that's looking to take the Blue Line to O'Hare to catch a flight, but it is looking to cater to those that were considering flying MKE but with added costs of parking, time, etc. would otherwise stomach either ORD or MDW.

Jsnww81, do you suppose that the US's general lack of true intermodality has generated the demand that's there for, say, the regional airlines to exist as solidly and as widespread as they are?
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Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:14 am

I'm sure the lack of intermodality plays a hand in the regional airlines being as comprehensive as they are, yes. A lot of that can also be chalked up to the US being as large as it is - certainly much larger than any one European nation.

My gripe isn't so much with regional mass transit links to airports - it's more with local/city train connections. The vast majority of residents here in Chicago don't have any choice but to take their cars to ORD or MDW, especially if they live in the suburbs.

Even the CTA links from the city are inconvenient. I have a great many friends who live in the city, but choose to drive to the airports rather than a.) sit on the platform waiting for the Orange Line to MDW, which only runs on the half hour; or b.) endure fifteen grinding, screeching stops along the Blue Line that goes to ORD. There's no truly convenient mass-transit option for getting to Chicago's airports. Even the MKE connection will only be convenient for those who live immediately downtown or in Racine/Kenosha.

My point, I guess, was that the air-rail links in the United States don't seem to discourage a lot of people from driving. In-terminal stations, direct service and convenience make all the difference - and a lot of our airport rail links just don't offer any of those. Of course, plenty of Americans also tend to look down on "taking the train" as something that's beneath them. Why ride the train when you can drive your Hummer H2 to the airport and take up two parking spaces?  Insane

 
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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Wed Jun 30, 2004 1:23 pm

I went to MKE for the first time in early June, and I was amazed. I was actually surprised by the size of the airport for the population of the city. I felt as though I was back in Tallahassee or something. The airport did not seem to be busy at all, and I arrived at rush hour on Friday afternoon. This also might have been because I came in on DL and it was the only flight at that time. The YX teminal might have been bustling, planes at almost all the gates. I actually showed up at the airport 45 minutes before the flight's scheduled departure time, and still made it to my plane 30 minutes early. I spent most of my time looking for a DL kiosk to check in than anything else...

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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Wed Jun 30, 2004 1:36 pm

Jsnww81- I would encourage you to consult a schedule before you make such ignorant comments. Here's an orange line schedule for the Clark/Lake station downtown. Trains run every 10 minutes during most reasonable hours. http://www.transitchicago.com/maps/rail/orange/Clark.pdf

On the topic, as a resident of the north shore, I will surely utilize this new train connection. I can be in Glenview in ~10 minutes instead of the hour it takes to get to MKE. (Let me concede that I once made it in 48- average speed must have been 80 or 85). As a college student, parking at the airport often isn't an option for me and I'm sure those that drop me off would rather pay Amtrak fares than drive. Something like $12.00 isn't markedly higher than the gas price to get to MKE, and many times much smaller than the fare difference between MKE and ORD/MDW.

I would argue that the United States is in a tough situation in terms of intermodal links. Much of our infulstructure was not built with this type of transportation in mind. Look at ORD, for example. A Metra stop exists there, but getting to a terminal requires a bus ride across Manheim followed by 15 minutes on the people mover. It's not exactly convenient, and it's no wonder that it isn't real popular. I see high speed rail replacing some short-haul air service (ex-ORD, for example- STL, CLE, MSP, MCI maybe). This will help air congestion, especially if, for example, UA codeshared on these routes, but I'm not sure if it would be attractive for connecting pax. It will be tough for us to get to where Europe is now.
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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Wed Jun 30, 2004 1:49 pm

Rail transportation to ORD isn't inconvenient with the L once you get to the airport. The L drops you off right in the tunnel connecting the terminals, Hilton hotel, and main parking.

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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Wed Jun 30, 2004 1:56 pm

Tekel- I was deliberately ignoring the El in my analysis. The El, though, is a good option.
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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Thu Jul 01, 2004 12:24 am

There's a pretty distinct difference between local rail connectivity and regional rail connectivity. Indeed there are many airports in the US with local rail stations whether it's the El terminus at O'Hare or Midway, the Metro stop at DCA, the BART stop at SFO, etc. But what remains blatantly absent is intermodality with trips that require, say, an hour or more...let's face it, if you're in America and you aren't immediately accessible to local service to/from the airport, you're likely driving.

Projects like the MKE station, the O'Hare Terminal 7 concept, MIA's Intermodal Hub proposal, et. al. seem to at least attempt to address this, and it wouldn't surprise me to see more come to the table as time goes on and particularly when airports overall growth becomes stymied in part due to a large influx/supply of regional operations.
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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Thu Jul 01, 2004 12:58 am

On topic: I suppose any rail construction in the United States is good news, but I still feel like this MKE station will be somewhat of a boondoggle. I would love to be proven wrong, and I certainly hope I am.

Now off topic a little bit...

Mikey711MN: I agree that the O'Hare Terminal 7 concept is a phenomenal idea, as is the O'Hare Direct high-speed train service. I would love to see ORD Direct get built - the proposal calls for an underground station beneath the vacant "block" at State and Randolph in the loop. Fast, frequent trains would run through a new underground tunnel to connect with existing Metra tracks running west out of the city.

Of course, the cost of an underground station and tunnel would be huge. I fully anticipate the O'Hare Direct idea being trashed - which is a shame, because it's something Chicago desperately needs. Neither the CTA Blue Line or the Kennedy Expressway are reliable - sometimes everything goes great, and sometimes you're stuck for hours. I was very encouraged to read that the CTA wants to double-track the Blue Line to allow for express service from the Loop to O'Hare. That will go a long way toward making it more convenient.

As for Cubsrule, I'd hardly call my comment ignorant. The El is frequenly late, slow, and dirty. As inner-city rail systems go, it's a disgrace - it's rougher than hell, noisy as anything, and even the newest trains have antiquated and less-than-functional designs. Compared to the London underground, the Paris metro, San Francisco's BART/Muni or even the New York City subway, the CTA train system is hideous.

I went to Northwestern University and spent four years riding the El. Nobody I knew ever used the Orange Line to get to MDW, in part because the trip (when you add in an hour on the Red Line) took two hours. We'd either drive, or if we got really desperate, we'd ride the Metra into the Loop, walk four blocks to the El (with suitcases in tow) and transfer to the Orange Line. I'd hardly call that convenient.
 
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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Thu Jul 01, 2004 1:15 am

"This is great news for Chicago's third airport!"

Milwaukee is NOT Chicago's third airport. Milwaukee County has a federal application pending to register this term, but the application has been strongly opposed by the City of Chicago. Chicago favors giving this designation to Gary Chicago Airport.
 
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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:17 am

Well having this rail station probably will not cost much to run. I assume Amtrak will serve this station, and it will probably be unstaffed. Will the Empire Builder make the stop?? I doubt it, because its more of a long distance train, I fly into MKE somtimes and catch the Builder from there, but I have to take a bus or van to downtown. It would be nice to just walk over to the station platform and take the Empire Builder from there all the way to North Dakota which is where I go.

DFW and DART have several options for getting rail into the airport. The 13th People mover station will be the stop right between future terminals D and F. The old airport train systems right of way will be kept in hopes of light rail right beside international Parkway. I'd like to see it come from the north in Grapevine where a commuter train takes you to Fort Worth along the Cotton Belt. They also want to extend a rail from the 13th station down to the DFW/Centreport Station. Don't know if it will be light rail, heavy rail, or the skylink. Can't wait to see it happen.

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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Thu Jul 01, 2004 4:19 am

I'm a fan of MKE and of mass transit when used properly.

But in this case, I have to tell you: I don't know what kind of ridership this thing is going to get. The Chicago-Milwaukee corridor already has numerous commuters via car and train, but I don't know what kind of incremental traffic an MKE GMIA stop would generate. I just don't see the density to sustain that, but admit I'm far from an expert.

It's great for arriving convention people to get downtown near the convention center, but other than that?

One benefit is to draw the northern IL fliers to MKE, and based on the estimates (especially if you correlate it to drive times), a train up to MKE is quicker and easier than having to shlep to ORD or MDW. Of course, this assumes airfares, destinations, et al, are equal, which they are not.

As far as Chicago rail traffic, I've taken the blue line to/from ORD and downtown countless times and have had no problems. The only real gripe I have is the ride is bumpy as all hell and it's loud. But it beats the freeway since I can imbibe adult beverages and live it up and not have to worry about driving.

Offtopic: anyone know of prelim traffic data on the WI-MI high speed lake ferry?
 
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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Thu Jul 01, 2004 5:17 am

I really thought METRA could have started this but they never really did it. The CTA has great service to ORD and MDW and sometimes it may seem dirty but this is how public transportation is in large cities. As for the EL, it is about 100 years old and they are fixing it little by little. I live right near the EL and when they closed the Green Line to repair it they had bus service to all of it's stations to replace the train service for 2 years. Now it runs fine and smooth but you need to know that some of these rail lines are from 10 to 40 to 100 years old depending on the line and area.

As for Metra, they could have really profited from this but amtrak beat them to it. The Northern Indiana Commuter Train District(NITCD) has service to two airports (Gary International-Chicago's 3rd airport, and South Bend SBN)http://www.nictd.com/service/stations.htm on their line. Some people use this to get to Gary even though getting there by car may be hard, but it's worth it when you get there.

Metra has a rail line-The Union Pacific North line to Kenosha. http://metrarail.com/Sched/cnw_n/cnwn.shtml. They can expand it like they said they were planning on and get more travelers from Chicago. It only costs $6 to go there one way and $12 roundtrip. They also have service to ORD but the schedule is sporadichttp://metrarail.com/Sched/ncs/ncs.shtml.
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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Thu Jul 01, 2004 5:28 am

Slider, again, as a single local-service station, you're right...this won't do jack. It's a total pipe dream to think that even a single person would take one of a handful of Amtrak trips from downtown to the GMIA stop. It serves no real local purpose. The proposed commuter rail line on the other side of the airport that will serve the southern suburbs on down to Kenosha would have more of an impact, but that discussion is independent of this one despite their relatively close proximity.

Ord, while the City of Chicago (or you, for that matter) might not like it, MKE filed the paperwork and can legally refer themselves to that 'fact'. It's like Budweiser being the official beer of last year's baseball all star game...in Milwaukee...at Miller Park! Did either of those parties like it? No. Does the fact that Bud bought the rights to the label of the game change the fact that all the beer sold in the stadium was Miller? No. It's just a marketing thing.
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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Thu Jul 01, 2004 6:04 am

Mikey711MN,

I don't care one way or the other about who uses the term "Chicago's Third Airport." That being said, I do know the legalities of the issue. Milwaukee County currently holds state registrations for the phrase in Wisconsin, Illinois and Indiana. The federal application, however, is pending (and has been opposed by the City of Chicago before the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board), so they cannot use the term outside of the three states mentioned.

Budweiser did not have to register a trademark to be the official beer of the All-Star game. All they needed was a marketing agreement with the Brewers and/or MLB. However, MKE cannot use the term "Chicago's Third Airport" without a legal trademark. It is beyond a marketing issue or buying rights.

Hope this helps clairify things.

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RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

Thu Jul 01, 2004 6:37 am

Yeah, the Brewers actually aren't bad this year...that D-Backs trade was the deal of the decade for them!  Smile

Well, if and when Peotone gets built--the likes of which would probably require a station much like MKE is getting now--I certainly see the trademark not holding water. In the meantime, GYY ain't no MKE.  Big grin

Anyway, here are a few recent pertinent articles:
  • Mitchell Station Groundbreaking newspaper article
  • Milwaukee-Madison HSR line fund request
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    RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

    Thu Jul 01, 2004 12:58 pm

    CcrlR- How would Metra service to MKE have been at all feasible? They only use the Canadian Pacific tracks to Rondout, some 50 miles south of MKE.
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    RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

    Fri Jul 02, 2004 12:40 am



    This is fantastic news, even if it is just a baby step. It's a comparably dirt cheap way to get things started.

    That rail corridor is on the A-list for upgades to true high-speed train travel (approaching European speed), and although nobody is going to ride it from downtown milwaukee to MKE, I see definite immediate potential for Illinois residents.

    With even marginal success, especially if the high speed train arrives, I can see some sort of tram straight to the terminal replacing the bus, and way in the future, you could bury these tracks and indeed run the amtrak straight into the terminal.

    So good move all around!

    Oh by the way - the new ferry is apparantly doing very well!
     
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    RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

    Fri Jul 02, 2004 1:57 am

    ...way in the future, you could bury these tracks and indeed run the amtrak straight into the terminal.

    Funny. I've thought of this too. It could either be done if a new "midfield" terminal south of current 7R/25L and north of the proposed third parallel 7/25 runway were constructed, which would obviously require MKE to be a much more significant player in the aviation scene than it currently is. Or because of the unique situation of the CP lines on the west side and the UP lines on the east side, one could bury a spur between them in a very natural alignment along 119, under the terminal, and then back out on the east side of 1L/19R. Of course, this is all dreaming about what could be done and not necessarily if it should be done...

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    RE: MKE Airport Train Station Breaks Ground

    Fri Jul 02, 2004 12:55 pm

    MKE can call themselves Chicago's third airport...but they'd be deluding themselves. Their Milwaukee's airport. They should just accept it. The distance from Chicago is just too great. I mean, why not call Rockford Chicago's third airport? As a Northern IL citizen, it is much more practical to "schlep" to ORD, (about 30 some miles from my location in Lake Zurich), than to take a train to MKE.

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