atcboy73
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CRJ-200

Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:45 am

I was on a CRJ-200 for the first time this last week. It was an ASA flight from DFW to MCI, leaving at 1pm. The flight was full and for the most part great.

But just like everyone else has said, the placement of the windows really REALLY sucks. Im 5ft 11in and found myself looking at the wall next to me and not easily looking out the window.

Is this the only plane with the window so low?

Let me make it clear. I had no problem with ASA and I am not an RJ hater (I love ERJs). I just cant get over how low the window was.

Are CL60s also like this?
 
RJNUT
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RE: CRJ-200

Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:52 am

i usually get an aisle seat.. i have found it is easier to look out the window from there than from the actual window seat..i just deal with the stiff neck thing. i can't not look out the window...if you do have the window seat..slouch way down in your seat...its crazy,,but i still like the plane!
 
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RE: CRJ-200

Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:56 am

I agree with your sentiments. The CRJ-200 windows are indeed, too low for a lot of us. I think Canadair made the windows higher in the longer versions of their RJ line.
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Frontiercpt
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RE: CRJ-200

Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:03 am

Yes, DIA, for me, my flight on a YV CR7(United Express) from STL-DEN,I had a window seat, and the window was much easier to look out of then the CR2. But then again...I am only like, 5'7 or something....  Smokin cool
 
RJNUT
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RE: CRJ-200

Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:11 am

AS I recall, Bombardier asked several large operators of the type , early in production, if they would be interested in an updated design in regards to the window placement, and there weren't any takers...
Guess the addtional costs and waiting time wouldnt have been worth it
 
nearord
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RE: CRJ-200

Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:15 am

The original design called for the height of the cabin to be about 6'7'', and the windows were placed accodingly. It was only in later design that an engineering mistake was discovered and they had to raise the floor 5 inches. They then went to the airlines and asked if they wanted the windows moved up as well, but the costs and delays in delivery was too much for the windows to get moved up as well. So now you have a cabin in which the windows are too low for most people because the floor is suppost to be 5 inches lower.
 
AmericanAirFan
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RE: CRJ-200

Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:21 am

I read in a regional airline magazine about how the were lowering the belly of the plane and raisng the windows.
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planemaker
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RE: CRJ-200

Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:24 am

The original design called for the height of the cabin to be about 6'7'', and the windows were placed accodingly. It was only in later design that an engineering mistake was discovered and they had to raise the floor 5 inches.

That is really funny... where in the world did you pick this "story" up?
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AmericanAirFan
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RE: CRJ-200

Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:33 am

yup thats what it said in the magazine i read it said somethn having to do with thos mesurements.
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Greg
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RE: CRJ-200

Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:43 am

Oddly enough, for those of you who have been in a Challenger (any model), the windows are at the perfect height in a biz jet configuration. Any higher and you'd strain your neck looking over the sofa or in the club chairs if even moderately reclined.

I'm sure the 5" story is an interesting anecdote...but I'll believe it's only that. Through all the interrations from LearStar to Challenger...there have been plenty of times to correct this shortcoming if it were true (God, I hope!).

For airline use, the CR7 windows are greatly appreciated---but the additional headroom is nil....
 
b727fan
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RE: CRJ-200

Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:30 am

Ha thats funny, I was thinking the exact same thing today! I fly the DL CRJs quite often, and ALWAYS feel like this was a plane designed by engineers who either did not care about the pax & a window, OR was especially designed for 5'-6" max. pax height! I am also 5'-11" and always find it so annoying trying look thru the windows! As far as the commuter jets go, I prefer the ERJs much better!
 
planemaker
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RE: CRJ-200

Wed Jun 30, 2004 1:05 pm

I read in a regional airline magazine about how the were lowering the belly of the plane and raisng the windows.

AmericanAirFan... my question was not directed towards your post but the one prior. Your post is almost 100% correct -- BBD did raise the windows on the CRJ700/900 by 5.8" which improved the field of vision by 17 degrees. However, they lowered not the "belly" of the plane but the cabin floor to improve headroom by a "whole" inch.  Big grin

...ALWAYS feel like this was a plane designed by engineers who either did not care about the pax...

FYI, the CRJ200 is a minimal change design of the Challenger 600 biz jet as it was viewed as a very high risk project at the time (everyone scoffed at Canadair's "optimistic" sales target of 200 units!!) Hence the low window height. After the success of the 200, BBD was able to design the 700/900 from scratch -- basically retaining only the fuselage cross section and cockpit profile (which is also the same on the two Global models).
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nearord
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RE: CRJ-200

Wed Jun 30, 2004 1:36 pm

He he, I knew somebody would like that one. Sorry, I couldn't resist. I fly the machine myself for Independence, I had a captain tell me that once and just about snorted my ginger ale through my nose. Im pretty sure that all it was, was a plug, new brakes, and glass cockpit, compared to the 600 series. Am I somewhat correct on that planemaker?
 
QIguy24
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RE: CRJ-200

Wed Jun 30, 2004 2:06 pm

In Cimber Air we have 3 CRJ-200's for our international routes. And I fly about 4 times a month from BSL-CPH. And I always want window seat even thoug I'm 1.97 meters. My neck always hurt like crap when I get out of the plane. But I still love that aircraft because It's very comfortable and not so noisy.
 
planemaker
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RE: CRJ-200

Wed Jun 30, 2004 2:10 pm

You are not too far off the mark!!!  Big thumbs up By the way, the 6'7" cabin height story is impossible -- with the 6' cabin height in the 200, the floor width is 84". To lower the floor seven inches would entail almost turning the CRJ into a 3-abreast as the resultant floor width would be approx. 12 inches narrower (the aisle is 16" wide).
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