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NW Wants To Fly DTW-Guangzhou, China

Thu Jul 01, 2004 12:18 pm

NWA plans to launch seven weekly round trips from DTW to Guangzhou China beginning in August.

NW also wants to launch cargo services from ORD to Shanghai and LAX to Guangzhou via ANC.

Source: http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/business/9051404.htm

[Edited 2004-07-01 05:21:13]
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RE: NW Applies For DTW-Guangzhou, China

Thu Jul 01, 2004 12:21 pm

Is that something else about more new service from DTW-CAN?
 
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RE: NW Wants To Fly DTW-Guangzhou, China

Thu Jul 01, 2004 1:01 pm

Northwest's inability to have kept thier DTW-SHA and DTW-PEK services operating does not bode well for approval on this route. If they couldn't make PEK and SHA work, why would CAN? Unless, of course, they are planning to run the flight through Narita, Osaka, or Nagoya.
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RE: NW Wants To Fly DTW-Guangzhou, China

Thu Jul 01, 2004 1:45 pm

This is probably just part of the game of trying to get a maximum out of the new frequencies that will become available as a result of the new bilateral between the US and China. Ask for a lot to get a least part of the cake. Incidentally, UA just applied for ORD-PVG rights. I guess the other players won't be long before submitting their wishes. Can't imagine AA, DL and CO wouldn't be interested in some mainland China rights.

 
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RE: NW Wants To Fly DTW-Guangzhou, China

Thu Jul 01, 2004 2:09 pm

Can't imagine AA, DL and CO wouldn't be interested in some mainland China rights.

DL doesn't have the aircraft and while CO could work it in, they are running thier long-haul fleet on a very tight schedule.

American Airlines, however, has already announced they want ORD-PVG:
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RE: NW Wants To Fly DTW-Guangzhou, China

Thu Jul 01, 2004 2:58 pm

Although business travel is important for almost any international route, it is especially important when starting these new routes to mainland China. Are there substantial business connections between the Detroit metro area and Guangzhou? Or is DTW being selected because it is NW's main US international hub? I wonder if NW would do well flying more direct Asia flights out of SEA, as the Pacific Northwest has huge business connections to Asia. At SEA, NW only offers flights connecting through NRT now correct? KIX, NGO and other destinations fly out of DTW if I'm not mistaken. Anybody have figures on the O/D between SEA and Asia (other than Tokyo)? Northwest seems to thrive on its NRT hub, but I wonder if they could do more direct flights to other destinations from its west coast gateways.

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RE: NW Wants To Fly DTW-Guangzhou, China

Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:22 pm

As I read NW's DOT application, the DTW flight will operate via NRT with a change of equipment - which makes the US point of origin almost irrelevant.
 
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RE: NW Wants To Fly DTW-Guangzhou, China

Thu Jul 01, 2004 5:05 pm

DL doesn't have the aircraft and while CO could work it in, they are running thier long-haul fleet on a very tight schedule.

True, but that won't stop them from applying for the routes anyhow. Remember a coupe of years ago the fierce battles between DL and CO for traffic rights into South America. CO didn't have the equipment but applied for rights to EZE and others anyway. Same thing will happen here. I don believe though that DL has the aircraft available by redeploying some 772s for that and replacing them with their oversupply of 763s transatlantic.


 
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RE: NW Wants To Fly DTW-Guangzhou, China

Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:10 pm

There were a lot of reasons the Non Stop flights stopped to AA), China">PEK and PVG from DTW. Mainly 9-11. It became much more prudent to make them direct through AA), Japan">NRT (Pax loads, less problems with Chinese govt, and don't forget Air China was selling our seats too cheaply out of China). There really isn't one main reason. It just worked better for NW. I would rather have us do the Direct flights if it will help save us money. Don't get me wrong, I really miss the non stop (nothing like a 4 and 1/2 day layover in PVG or AA), China">PEK). CAN service has always been mentioned (don't forget the nice codeshare possibility with China Southern ---- a likely canidate for the SkyTeam. I would think we would do direct through AA), Japan">NRT to CAN. It makes the most sense. Maybe next year we can do non stop to AA), China">PEK and PVG again. Prior to 9-11 we were going to begin non stop to HKG from DTW.
I don't think NW will sit idle while UA and AA start looking at expanding service into China.
 
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RE: NW Wants To Fly DTW-Guangzhou, China

Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:18 pm

There were a lot of reasons the Non Stop flights stopped to AA), China">AA), China">PEK and PVG from DTW. Mainly 9-11.

DTW-PVG was cut before 9.11.
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RE: NW Wants To Fly DTW-Guangzhou, China

Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:25 pm

DTW-PEK lasted until I think April 2002 even though it was only a couple days a week, the planes always came in fully loaded.

I am not quite sure of company names, but I remember there being quite a few Chinese businesses in Detroit plus a lot of the people would be connecting elsewhere. China is a huge country remember, so is USA and there aren't a lot of flights between the two countries so it should do quite well.
 
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RE: NW Wants To Fly DTW-Guangzhou, China

Fri Jul 02, 2004 12:59 am

DTW-NRT-CAN is a great idea, since it will allow them to start with small equipment (757/332) and upgrade if/as the route develops.
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RE: NW Wants To Fly DTW-Guangzhou, China

Sat Jul 03, 2004 3:39 am

So far there's no press release from NWA regarding DTW-NRT-CAN. Anyway would that mean NW to add another daily DTW-NRT?

Hubbing @NRT for NW may be a great idea to NWA but it really not very exciting to pax having to spend layover hrs at NRT. Why couldn't they do at least one weekly DTW-PEK, DTW-PVG or DTW-CAN non stop, with the rest via NRT? I remember they used to do 4 nonstop DTW-PEK and 3 via NRT and thought that worked out beautifully (for me).

Since they got rid of DTW-PEK non-stop, I found flying UA via ORD to PEK is so much better than via NRT to PEK. Plus, NW 744 econ seat width is smaller than UA 772's.

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