bristolflyer
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AW 757 With Gear Down Over Phx

Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:28 pm

Last night I saw an America West 757 over Phoenix (nr Camelback mountain for any locals) with it's landing gear down. I see planes over here every 10 mins or so and have never seen one with the gear down, it's a fair way from the airport here.

Why would this have been - any thoughts?

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RE: AW 757 With Gear Down Over Phx

Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:52 pm

I don´t know the local temperature, but if it was high and aircraft had short time on the ground before take off again, probably the landing gear was down for cooling the brakes, before gear up.
This is normal. When an aircraft land, the application of breaks is fundamental and they become very hot. Crew is always thinking about not to have to use hot breaks in case of another landing or a take-off abortion because they will not work properly with high temperatures.

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RE: AW 757 With Gear Down Over Phx

Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:54 pm

Oh yes.... camelback mountain. Spent a few days at the Camelback Resort in July 2000. Late nights in the pool with aircraft all over the sky......
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RE: AW 757 With Gear Down Over Phx

Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:23 pm

>>>Why would this have been - any thoughts?

Brake cooling is certainly one possibility.

If the aircraft was an arrival, another possibility (more remote) is that it was a gear-down ferry flight, and that the gear had been extended the entire flight. These flights sometimes become necessary when certain landing gear-related malfunctions occur, and the aircraft can't be repaired at whatever airport it is located. The flight will be operated under a maintenance ferry permit (no passengers allowed) so as to get the aircraft back to someplace where it can be fixed. A gear-down ferry involves inserting steel pins in the landing gear mechanism that will prevent retraction, and planning the flight lower and slower. Once back at PHX (a big maintenance base for HP) it could then be fixed.

That could be what you saw, or maybe not....  Big grin

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RE: AW 757 With Gear Down Over Phx

Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:26 pm

YES, THERE MIGHT BE THIS POSSIBILITY TOO...
 
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RE: AW 757 With Gear Down Over Phx

Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:39 pm

::::::SIGH::::::: I miss hiking Camelback. Good times.... Very good views for aircraft.

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RE: AW 757 With Gear Down Over Phx

Fri Jul 02, 2004 12:12 am

It's been about 106 here for the last few days so I guess the cooling thing is the most likely.

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RE: AW 757 With Gear Down Over Phx

Fri Jul 02, 2004 12:51 am

You never did tell anyone whether it was a dep or arr.
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RE: AW 757 With Gear Down Over Phx

Fri Jul 02, 2004 1:20 am

I know they have their check lists, but I still notice that some pilots lower the gear a lot earlier than others.

Maybe it has to do with airports, but I notice it at MDW too. I guess as long as check lists are completed by a certain point, the things involved in the check list kind of have their of time frame?

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RE: AW 757 With Gear Down Over Phx

Fri Jul 02, 2004 2:05 am

If it was over Camelback it could have been on approach and just had its gear down early.
 
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RE: AW 757 With Gear Down Over Phx

Fri Jul 02, 2004 1:08 pm

As ASUFLYER says, it would have been an approach.

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RE: AW 757 With Gear Down Over Phx

Fri Jul 02, 2004 2:19 pm

Was he higher than you usually see aircraft on approach? I've been on flights we're they suddenly cleared in, and they start throwing everything out early to slow down.....

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RE: AW 757 With Gear Down Over Phx

Fri Jul 02, 2004 2:46 pm

Not much higher than other aircraft I have seen around here.

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RE: AW 757 With Gear Down Over Phx

Fri Jul 02, 2004 2:56 pm

Hmmmmmm... maybe he had already slowed down and gotten to approach height. I'm a F/A, and while it doesn't happen that often, I've seen the gear tossed out way early during rapid descents...

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RE: AW 757 With Gear Down Over Phx

Fri Jul 02, 2004 3:00 pm

It's been about 106 here for the last few days so I guess the cooling thing is the most likely. YIKES that is hot.
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RE: AW 757 With Gear Down Over Phx

Fri Jul 02, 2004 3:06 pm

The gear might have been down to steadily slow the aircraft down before landing. The gear in down position produces drag on the plane.
 
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RE: AW 757 With Gear Down Over Phx

Fri Jul 02, 2004 3:44 pm

Was it a theme livery plane? If it wasn't it could've been 903, 906, 907, 909, 910, 913 or 914.
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