Leneld
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PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 12:54 am

I guess it's official that Northwest Airlines will be started flights from Portland to HNL starting Dec, 15, 2004. The other day I wrote the Port of Portland inquiring about the ramp and taxiways work being done on the southside in the Horizon airlines area this summer. They also included additional information about this new service being planned. Kool man!! It nice to see that Northwest has renewed interest in adding service at Portland. I wonder what equipment are they planning on using. All you PDX spotter get your cameras ready...
 
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 12:57 am

Most likely a 757-300.
 
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 1:29 am

Interesting..A757-300...........I thought they would probably use a DC-10...Are the number a seats around the same for both aircrafts?
 
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 1:40 am

See Leneld, more PDX for you after all.

Its would be a 753. All Hawaii service is going to 753's with the exception of HNL-MSP/NRT of course.

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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 1:47 am

Leneld, The 753 has fewer seats, but is much more ecomomical for NW to operate to Hawaii. I think NW found a niche for their 753s.
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 1:47 am

the 753 seating capacity isn't that far off from the widebodies. Ours at CO seat 224, while our 764 seats 235, so not too much of a difference, particularly on the routes where it is more leisure travel. A reason why we switched our 753's to seat only 12 in first class and 210 in coach.
 
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Fri Jul 02, 2004 1:48 am

Good news. Nice to see that NW thinks that PDX can support multiple HNL services. Gotta love the 753 "flying pencil" too.

--Paddy
 
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 1:53 am

As739x..That is the nicest thing you have ever written to me. Are you feeling well today?
 
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 1:54 am

NW seats 224 in its 753s, 24F/200Y. The -10s seat 273, 26J/247Y.
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 1:57 am

I don't think NWA has announced the new PDX-HNL flight yet. I wonder when the official announcement will be. Maybe the person from PDX was not supposed to tell you yet. Anyway I think its great! Does anyone think NW will add more flights to either of it's cities to bring people in for the HNL and NRT flights?
 
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Fri Jul 02, 2004 1:57 am

Well i'm happy to see you get some new service. I honestly don't hate PDX!


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Fri Jul 02, 2004 4:00 am

I'm not sure if Northwest will add any additional service to PDX beyond the new Narita and the future HNL flights. Maybe though, in time they could extend their Deroit service to year round instead of just seasonal and connect the dots by resuming nonstop service to Memphis. I believe they flew to Memphis in the early 90's. Northwest appears to be a very conservative Airline, so I think for now they're just watching to see how the Narita flight performs.
 
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 4:09 am

Great news if true.

If NW does open the route, a lot has to do with the good economics of the 753, its always been my opinion that the 753 is a great airliner that was overlooked by many airlines; its a very, very economical and effecient way to move a lot of passengers over a medium haul route. The yeilds on US mainland-Hawaii routes are not great, but by using an effecient airliner like the 753, NW should be able to make this route work.

With the 753 service, NW is going to re-establish itself on the west coast-Hawaii routes, rumor is that SEA-HNL will be double daily 753, SEA-OGG-KOA, daily 753, PDX-HNL with a daily 753, and the LAX-HNL and SFO-HNL are to re-introduced each with a daily 753 service. That, plus the MSP, (seasonal) DTW and Japan flights will give NW more flights to Hawaii than we have seen in many years.
 
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Fri Jul 02, 2004 4:52 am

No more calls, we have a winner....

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040701/cgth046_1.html
 
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 4:54 am

Along with the level of tourists that fly to HNL from PDX, I know there's a good portion of native Hawaiians that live in Portland that do travel back to the island annually.

I wonder if the Russian population in Portland is big enough to support flights by Aeroflot. Heck, there's also a pocket of French people in Portland as well, but probably not enough for a Air France flight.
 
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 5:21 am

Jetranger2004..I remember a while back in the early nineties, a start up airline wanted to fly from a city(unsure of the name) in Eastern Russia to PDX, however, the russian government did not approve this request and the new service never materialized. I'm sure a lot Russian from the state of Oregon are supporting Aeroflot's flights from Seattle though...Back on the subject, I'm so glad that the Port did not mislead me with this information about NWA new plan of Portland and it stands true. It great to see that we will have another option to HNL besides Hawaiian Airlines...Thankyou Dadoftyler for confirming the news!!.
 
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 5:21 am

Good news for Portland and San Francisco - once-daily 753 service to HNL begins on the same day.

This also means that PDX will get another 753 operating to MSP, because you can bet that NW isn't going to stand for one of their aircraft sitting on the ground all day.


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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 5:28 am

I don't quite see how the 753 would go HNL-PDX-MSP for utilization since the flight is timed to do HNL-PDX-HNL quite well. The 753 arrives PDX 6:12a, and departs 8:35a. Surely there's time to turn the plane back to Hawaii in that window without requiring a second aircraft...
 
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 5:34 am

Ahh, okay - thanks Flash.

So where's the aircraft going to go? There's an afternoon flight to SEA that fits this time slot quite nicely...


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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 5:41 am

Great news! I just don't like the time of the HNL-PDX flight.

 
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 5:44 am

I think that the aircraft is just going to be slated for HNL-PDX-HNL turns.
 
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 5:52 am

Flash is right. The EQP for NW924 to SEA comes into HNL as NW925 from SEA so NW85 from PDX will turn into NW84 back to PDX.
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 5:55 am

Clever bit of marketing in the press release, suggesting that PDX and SFO passengers traveling to Asia can now stop in Hawaii on the way home for some R&R. Sounds good to me!
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 5:58 am

(from the press release)


Portland-Honolulu service (effective Dec. 15)

Flight number: Departs: Arrives: Aircraft:

NW 83 8:35 a.m. 12:30 p.m. 757-300

Honolulu-Portland service (effective Dec. 15)

Flight number: Departs: Arrives: Aircraft:

NW 82 10:45 p.m. 6:12 a.m. 757-300

San Francisco-Honolulu service (effective Dec. 15)

Flight number: Departs: Arrives: Aircraft:

NW 85 3:30 p.m. 6:56 p.m. 757-300

Honolulu-San Francisco service (effective Dec. 15)

Flight number: Departs: Arrives: Aircraft:

NW 84 1:50 p.m. 8:50 p.m. 757-300



There's no way this plane is going to sit on the ground at HNL for over ten hours per day. Looks to me like PDX-HNL turns into HNL-SFO, and SFO-HNL turns into HNL-PDX. Meanwhile, the HNL-SFO flight probably turns into the SFO-MSP redeye, which is a fairly popular flight and can use the extra capacity.


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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:18 am

So what is next..Memphis? or maybe( i'm thinking longterm) Amsterdam?
 
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Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:25 am

Or the inbound HNL-SFO flight could turn into the 1030pm flight to DTW.
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:32 am

They've created the schedule they have for best a/c routing optimization. With SEA and PDX arriving around the same time and SEA and SFO departing around the same time there is opprtunity to route the tail in the following ways: SEA-HNL-SEA or SEA-HNL-SFO or PDX-HNL-SFO or PDX-HNL-SEA. In the afternoon the LAX and SFO flights will arrive around the same time so they can rotate planes during that time as well: LAX-HNL-PDX, LAX-HNL-LAX, SFO-HNL-PDX, SFO-HNL-LAX.

This is really great news for Hawaii and NWA. Now only for DTW-HNL to go nonstop year round!!!! There's gotta be a 10 lying around somewhere with all these 330s in the fleet!


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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:52 am

SWEET! It's about time they made an official announcement!!! This rumor has been circulating for a while now. And...It'll be GREAT to finally see a 753 at PDX!!!!!
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 7:16 am

Leneld: So what is next..Memphis? or maybe( i'm thinking longterm) Amsterdam?

I dunno about MEM but I don't think we'll see AMS service for a long time, if ever. The only way I see it happening is if NW's presence at PDX grows to the point where they feel like agressively competing with LH. Or if LH decides to pull out and NW feels that they can make it work. I certainly can't see the basis for both flights. I think year-round service to DTW will be the next thing we see.
 
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 7:34 am

It wouldn't surprise me to see DTW to go year round and the introduction of MEM..It only make sense since MEM is on of Northwest Hubs. As far as Amsterdam is concern, there isn't anything wrong with dreaming"....I wonder if Northwest will need more gate space at PDX... I did read recently that the Port long range plan is for 1 additional flight to Europe, preferably London and a city in China. ...The Ports of Portland short term plans is to have more flights to the east coast to Bos, JFK, BWI and MCO....
 
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 10:06 am

Leneld,

As much as MEM seems to make sense, NW is very conservative when adding capacity. Many cities on the west coast dont have service to MEM including SNA, SAN, PDX, BOI, GEG and others. There are only small frequencies to MEM from the west coast, such as SFO which has 1 daily. LAX is the real winner with 2 daily non-stops to MEM. AS / KLAS), USA - Nevada">LAS and PHX also have one daily.

With NW adding more point to point routes recently, it is possible we may see a city or two added that is not a NW hub, but NW sees they can make money on. However, that is probably not going to happen, espcially with AS hub at PDX, NW has plenty of help.
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 12:08 pm

Excellent news for PDX. I hope the service performs well and I also hope it is not at the expense of Hawaiian. Now if we can just get BOS, JFK, MCO & PHL!
 
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 12:40 pm

How are we going to get non-stop MCO?
 
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 1:17 pm

No, they will not use with nonstop from MCO-HNL either and because it is weight restrictions on their way to HNL.
 
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Fri Jul 02, 2004 1:53 pm

ScottysAir I think you misunderstood me. I was saying how are we going to get nonstop PDX-MCO not MCO-HNL. Which airline would operate PDX-MCO? Maybe southwest could?
 
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 2:17 pm

MCO-PDX sounds Deltaish to me.
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 3:33 pm

MCO-PDX sounds like a United route as well....If I remember correctly...United all ready has a direct PDX-MCO flight operated by a 757 through ORD.... I highly doubt WN would pick up this route. PDX is not a focus city for them. You would most likely see PDX MCO filled by United, maybe Delta...or possibly B6 if they get they're act together and start serving PDX.. Big grin Or...if AA wasn't in the toilet so deep...this might be a good route for them in a 757.... But this I doubt simply because they dont' seem to be doing that well with the ORD and DFW flights they currently have.
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 4:25 pm

This is a little off the subject, but I've always wondered with all of the cargo being shipped from Oregon to Asia, how come Northwest Airlines doesn't fly Cargo flights out of PDX?
 
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Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:14 pm

PDX-MCO by United would actually be Ted. I don't see this happening in the short term.

 
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 7:59 pm

Clever bit of marketing in the press release, suggesting that PDX and SFO passengers traveling to Asia can now stop in Hawaii on the way home for some R&R. Sounds good to me!

- Works for me! I've been living in PVG for the past 2 years, and did the PVG-NRT-HNL-SEA route several times last year when flying back to the "left" coast..

Nothing like getting a $530 R/T V class fare, arriving in HNL from NRT at around 9AM, hopping in a car and heading right to the beach for the day before making your way back to the Ala Moana for a nice pre-flight dinner and the short trip back to HNL for the 9:45PM departure.. Now that's what I call a good connection!  Smile

Does anyone know if they offer elite upgrades on the 757-300's now that they aren't equiped with WBC as per the DC-10's?
 
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 9:44 pm

The NW 753s have a domestic first class cabin seating 24 in a 37 inch pitch layout.

Link to seatmap:

http://www.nwa.com/travel/trave/seatm/753/index.shtml


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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:21 pm

Don't forget the talk of maybe LAS to HNL also...this has been a persistant rumor. PDX service to HNL was a no brainer with the way our 757300 fleet is working out. The right aircraft for the right route. There is always potential for addition Hawaii service out of PDX to Maui or Kona.

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I was surprised a bit about AF Airlines (Argentina)">SF, I had thought it died. There had been a lot of talk about restarting the AF Airlines (Argentina)">SF after LA got the nod, but then it dropped off. Great news for our FA base out there. If only we could have the DTW go year round. I know yields can be low on the Hawaii market, but would be nice to have that flight all year.

PDX has the potential to be a mini focus city serving other destinations ... I guess it will be up to the bean counters now.

AMS
A new AMS city is always being kicked around (PHL used to be served non stop, then we needed the a/c for DTW service- as little as a year ago there was talk of adding gates in PHL and that possibly would lead to resumption of nonstop AMS)(DEN actually made a few rounds but that would be stepping right into a mess with UA and would never happen). Deciding on a new non stop AMS city would be hard...I would certainly love to see PDX but there would really have to be demand. I certainly think newer service to CDG will be next (MSP CDG likely). I think we will be sending cx pax through CDG and AMS depending on where they will continue within Europe.

Look for further expansion by our new codeshare partners Alitalia and AF into cities like MSP and DTW.

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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Sat Jul 03, 2004 12:11 am

I do not see NW going to AMS from PDX in near future. As for PDX-MCO, I think AS is the most likely candidate. There has been rumors on this board about a possible "red-eye" but we'll see. I do not see WN or DL operating that route and the only way UA does is if they move toward point-to-point service and I would suspect PDX-MCO is not at the top of their list
 
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Sat Jul 03, 2004 1:12 am

Dtwintl - I woulnd't be surprised if NWA exersized options on the 330s and 744s within a year or so. They've already publicly said they're focusing on a new widebody replacement plan. I think this is going to be the key in growing Asia. IMO, we'll see resumtion of DTW-SEL/PEK/SHA and a new DTW-HKG service. That, coupled with a shift in gage to certain cities, the Pacific will be shaping up nicely.

I also heard PHX-HNL rumor, in addition to the LAS one. Perhaps an RJ build up for some new PDX flghts perhaps? It's all a game. We'll see what happens.


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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Sat Jul 03, 2004 1:27 am

Azjubilee --

Is it expected that NW will order more 744s? I must have missed that somewhere...great news, nonetheless.
 
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Sat Jul 03, 2004 6:02 am

Yea that PHX HNL has been thrown around for some time. I thought it had something to do with one of the charter carriers slot which was operating that route.

It was a shame because I think it was fall of 2000 we all got the letter talking about the wingtip service (2x NRT) from DTW - and thankfully that did happen. But also it talked about resuming nonstop to ICN and beginning a daily HKG from DTW. I really do think that by next summer these might be a possibility or by summer 2007. The A330-200 will be great for inter Asian and also West coast, but we will keep those 400s. If we could have just gotten the 400's from UA they were ready to sell us in 2001, it would have been great. Of course the asking price was too high.
Give us time, we will once again expand. Anderson has done a good job. He has always been cautious about resuming service and adding new service until it fits. NW will again expand into Asia. Again, don't forget about the possibilities with the new NGO next year. Hopefully they will keep the landing fees and overnight fees to a reasonable level!
 
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Sat Jul 03, 2004 6:20 am

A slight digression, but I wonder why people keep bringing up PDX-MCO. Is there really any incentive for such a flight? It seems like the route would be primarily leisure travel (therefore low yield). Its not like Orlando is a big hub city for any airline. If there isn't a lot of business or connecting traffic between two cities, then why start an expensive cross country nonstop to connect them? Is my reasoning sound here, or am I (and the airlines) missing something?
 
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Sat Jul 03, 2004 6:35 am

Gnomon - NW hasn't officially announced that they will order more 744s. They do have 2 more on option and have the NEED for them. That was my basis of speculation.


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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Sat Jul 03, 2004 6:39 am

Transpac..I brought it up simply to report what cities the Port of Portland is going after as part as their short term plans which are MCO,BWI, JFK, BOS. According to the Port there is enough demand for flights from PDX to MCO ,however, there's always going to be a challenge in getting this service because it's used primarily for leisure travel...
 
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RE: PDX To HNL..It's Official!

Sat Jul 03, 2004 6:52 am

Does anyone know if they offer elite upgrades on the 757-300's now that they aren't equiped with WBC as per the DC-10's?


Not to HNL.


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