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RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Fri Jul 02, 2004 10:15 pm

I know I do this a lot but I hear many rumours at work and like to pass them to you all for consideration. Here is the latest about 773s.

They will all be based at LGW and will not be branded Virgin Atlantic. Possible names floating around are Virgin Sun!, Virgin Atlantic Holidays, Virgin Atlantic Leisure and Virgin Beaches.

They will be operated by VS and our crew but I guess the rebranding gets round the 4 engines 4 long haul silliness.

Discuss! Remember I am only passing on what I hear so dont shoot the messenger!

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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Fri Jul 02, 2004 10:19 pm

Sounds great! the 773 would look great in the VS Scheme(s) whatever the VS name is!
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Fri Jul 02, 2004 10:30 pm

That would then free up the LGW based 744s for expasion and replacement of the LHR based A343s.

Makes perfect sense.

Though i doubt that a leisure airline would need the range that an ER version of the 773 would give them - i'm sticking my neck out here, but i'd contend that a Trent powered 773 order would suit them better, with commonality to the A346 powerplant. Cant really see that the GE90-112 has anything too much in common with the CF6. Then again, if they start as GE90 users, then the door is open to buy 772ER, 773, 773ER, 772LR etc as the need may arise, so it could be the more progressive answer in terms of future planning.

I would go as far as saying that the A332/3 would better fit the leisure tag thing, and the Trent powered version would be better, if thats what they want to do. Trent powered A332s and A333s - with A346s for the longer range stuff. I've always thought the 744 to be a little too much plane for the routes the LGW ones do. I'd say that the A330 would be a better option - more flexible, though if they really are always full, as i keep hearing, then high density A333's would be a good idea - i cant imagine the business and upper class yields are that strong to places like Miami and Cuba and the Caribbean Islands - not in comparison with HKG, JFK, LAX etc.

In terms of branding, i can see they are trying to distance themselves from the charter carriers by retention of the VS brand currently. I would say that progressively transferring the 744s to LHR, and using A330 or 777 equipment to these places seems like a good idea - perhaps a new brand to go with it - i think it is a good idea.

I'm writing VS 's credit report and business review at the moment so these are interesting rumours. Much to speculate on, though nothing concrete yet.
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Fri Jul 02, 2004 10:37 pm

Though, as a wider theme, i've been somewhat surprised as to why more charter airlines dont make use of the 773 baseline model. The difference in capacity to the A333 (widely used throughout charter airlines, and her smaller sister, the A332) is such that schedules could be changed to suit. With that much more plane, you wouldnt have to fill it full of 400+ seats like the ANA, some of the EK ones and JAL ones are, and perhaps follow First Choice's lead in giving more legroom, PTVs, and a generally better in-flight experience.

Then again...

I dread to think how many seats Thomas Cook or My Travel would put in a 773. Messy...
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Fri Jul 02, 2004 10:43 pm

...at least 3-4-3!

Would VS have a minimum 30" pitch and a Premium cabin?
 
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Fri Jul 02, 2004 10:52 pm

Richardw,

I feel sure there will always be premuim cabins on these a/c. When the LGW 744s are fitted with the Upper Class Suite this winter they will have 14J 54W 379Y config, a big increase in the W cabin due to its popularity from LGW. There are a lot of wealthy folk who fly with us to their holiday destinations and I'm sure they will be catered for on a 777.

We may not see upper though on the 777. I remember when we first got G-VSUN (A343) it was in a "leisure" config for the MAN-MCO service with 28 W and 306Y. Didn't look right having no upper!

I also hope we will have 3-3-3 in Y in order to compete properly with BA on the routes. I believe they have got rid of the 3-4-3 config on the LGW 777s so it would be a huge mistake for us to offer less.

Cheers

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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Fri Jul 02, 2004 10:55 pm

Isn't the 733ER just about the most expensive product Boeing makes?
I dont' think it will lend itself well to low cost/non-premium services.
Just a thought.
 
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Fri Jul 02, 2004 10:56 pm

CHRISBA777ER...
with regards to the VS LHR routes to MIA, those routes are very popular in all 3 class configurations. VS Operates the 744 and 346 on opposite days. LHR-MIA is a very popular route, BA has twice daily 744 service, AA twice daily w/ 772.

I hope VS goes for the 773, even the regular 773 would fit better for leisure routes rather than the 773ER...Seems like a "Waste" of range capabilities if only flying to the tropics (Atlantic/Caribbean)
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:06 pm

So broadly similar to the layout of the EK 773s then? F18 C42 Y320

EK also use them in C49 Y385 layout - wonder if that would be better or not, given the upper class comments made above by ITK.

The LGW based 744s are F28 C38 Y373. Still a whole lot smaller than those EK 773s.

To place this into perspective - MYTs A332s are C49 Y311, whilst MON put C51 Y323 in theirs. Ouch!

I reckon VS could put F18 C32 Y365 in their 773s for high density LGW type ops. What a beast!
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:06 pm

Hi Greg

Yeah I think it is a very expensive a/c however by all accounts Boeing are desperate to get our business for these, remember easyJets deal for A319s!

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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:06 pm

CHRISBA777ER, been to any decent clubs lately?

As a small point, Emirates squeeze 434 pax into their J/Y configured 773s.
 
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:06 pm

Considering Virgin have just closed their Virgin Travelstore brand any chance of a leisure only Virgin Sun have gone straight out the window.






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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:15 pm

MIAskies:

"with regards to the VS LHR routes to MIA, those routes are very popular in all 3 class configurations. VS Operates the 744 and 346 on opposite days. LHR-MIA is a very popular route, BA has twice daily 744 service, AA twice daily w/ 772"

- Dont VS fly MIA from LGW as well? Surely then, the premium traffic will be accented towards LHR flights - hence a smaller C&F class on the LGW based equipment?

"I hope VS goes for the 773, even the regular 773 would fit better for leisure routes rather than the 773ER...Seems like a "Waste" of range capabilities if only flying to the tropics (Atlantic/Caribbean)"

- I said that too!  Smile Seriously though, the ER gives MTOW benefits too, though these would only come into play on big cargo routes that dont use all the range, but i cant see that VS has any need for these, or do they?

Whats the range of a 773A anyway? Can it do max MTOW flights LGW-HAV/MEX/CCS/BOG etc? (i know VS dont serve all these, but its a good cover of the Caribbean region). TG and SQ use theirs to BA), Turkey">IST (CAI, ATH etc ???) so it has to have a fair old range on it....
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:20 pm

EG777:

Seriousworld was the last big one. Paul Van Dyk, Eddie Halliwell, Judge Jules, Scott Bond, Matt Hardwick, Simon Patterson. PVD tor it to pieces - i'm still recovering.
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:21 pm

Hi BestWestern

Virgin Holidays are one of the largest long haul tour operators in the world and feed our leisure flights from LGW. Not Travelstores.

Cheers

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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:24 pm

EG777:

"As a small point, Emirates squeeze 434 pax into their J/Y configured 773s"

I said that too!

Why does nobody read my posts?!?!?!?!  Big grin
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:26 pm

Paul Van Dyke? Judge Jules? are we talking about THE MINISTRY of SOUND or VIRGIN ATLANTIC? hahhahaha come on guys!

Would be a cool idea have a dj spinning on board on those transatlantic night flights...club in the air..how fabulous!

CHRISBA777ER...
VS flew from LGW to MIA some years ago...they switched their OPS to LHR to compete w/ BA and AA. So as of right now MIA has 5 to 6 daily flights in between LHR and MIA.


god is a DJ  Wink/being sarcastic...house music all night long! on a VS773 of course! hahaha
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:27 pm

- i cant imagine the business and upper class yields are that strong to places like Miami and Cuba and the Caribbean Islands - not in comparison with HKG, JFK, LAX etc.


British Airways didn't fly the Concorde to Miami for eight years to fly it out empty, nor do they operate one of thier exclusive Terrace lounges (the only one in the US) in Miami four a handful of passengers every day. And there is a reason Virgin's Miami flights now uses a Heathrow slot instead of Gatwick. Premium demand to Miami is extremely high. None of the airlines on MIA-LHR - BA, VS, AA - have trouble filling up premium cabins. There is a lot of O&D (1,250+ a day) and a lot of business and premium leisure travel. Average families of four don't travel to Miami, it is far too expensive (one reason there are only two charter flights a week between Miami and Europe). They go to Orlando. Miami is in the category of high-yielding tourist destinations, like Papette, Cape Town, and Nice. Airlines love them: full planes and high yields.

[Edited 2004-07-02 16:31:40]
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:31 pm

What useage are these 773's gonna be subjected to in weak not peak seasons. (Rpl A346's for scheduled routes!?)
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:35 pm

Maybe they can use it on U.S. routes that might use A346 on certain days like the MIA route that uses A346 on opposite days of the 744. Just an idea...

Would the VS A343 SJU route be part of the VS Leisure routes?
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:39 pm

I think the term 'desperate' is a bit overstated. Boeing has made a Board resolution to no longer sell aircraft at cost to garner market share. How well this is followed is, of course, subject to argument.

While folks speculate that Airbus and Boeing commonly cut prices in half to get orders---you'll find that most discounts off list prices are in the 10-19% range.

My source is one of the largest national French banks, one of the primary lenders for aircraft financing. It's relativley easy to review the actual price paid for the aircraft alone.

Quite frankly, most of the savings is in spares, crew training cost, etc. that is commonly 'given' to the carrier.

 
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Sat Jul 03, 2004 12:14 am

It would be great to bring back the flying banana brand.

Just imagine a bright yellow 773............

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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Sat Jul 03, 2004 12:19 am

Are you even try to get new 773ER and what are you plan in the future for more new service anytime soon?
 
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Sat Jul 03, 2004 12:49 am

"Virgin Holidays are one of the largest long haul tour operators in the world and feed our leisure flights from LGW. Not Travelstores."

Come off it. One of the largest in the world - nowhere near it. Perhaps one of the largest in the UK. The largest in the world are Kuoni and Miki tours.

Virgin holidays is feeling the same pinch as Virgin travelstores with more and more people booking directly as they are not seen as a premium tour operator.

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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Sat Jul 03, 2004 12:53 am

BestWestern

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ..... oh sorry do continue, fascinating statistics and info but nothing to do with my original post on this thread.  Big grin
 
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Sat Jul 03, 2004 1:10 am

Its all to do with the original Post - VirginSun needs travel agents to fill the aircraft, just like all other Charter airlines. Yet Virgin are closing their travel agency. To start a charter airline just when you have no confidence in the market doesnt make sense.

With no travel agents, youve got no bums on seats. The charter community is already in a period of over capacity and terrible yields- just look at MYT and Condor, European, Excel, etc - they are all struggling.

Why would someone enter this market and take passengers from the scheduled airline services that they operate. The last airline to try that was BA with Go. Look what happened to GO. Look what happened to the BA CEO at the time.

This is the worst rumour I've yet to hear about Virgin yet, and weve had loads. Oh, and where will the slots come from at LGW?
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Sat Jul 03, 2004 1:14 am

ITK - That was a bit rude to GreatWestern - what he says is correct.

No need to be sarcastic.

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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Sat Jul 03, 2004 1:20 am

Dear CHRISBA777ER

Wind your neck in, did you not see the wink in my reply? Valium anyone? Now thats sarcastic.

ITK


 
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Sat Jul 03, 2004 1:44 am

Sorry mate - tough day.

Ive had to trash a greek company's rating - and they were still all pissed in the office from the footie last night. Virgin are taking me ages to write, and Chelsea have just signed Kezman from PSV, so i need to write a report on that for my Chelsea site. I'm also writing an editorial on the Farnborough Air Show for Lloyd's List - its been a tough one.

Why have i been spending ages in here then?

Good question!  Big grin
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Sat Jul 03, 2004 1:53 am

Sh1t, go and have a beer, I am now!

Take it easy mate

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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Sat Jul 03, 2004 1:55 am

A beer?? I wish!!!!!! its only 1254pm in MIAMI right now...and I am sitting in my office overlooking the clear blue skies..sky scrapers and AA jets flying above...I want a beer too!!

oh wait..so they dont lock up the topic for being "off the topic"....I WISH I COULD SEE VS 773ERS FLYING ABOVE ME AS WELL!

hehehehe Ciao!  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Sat Jul 03, 2004 1:55 am

InTheKnow

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ..... oh sorry do continue, but nothing to do with my original post on this thread

Sorry couldnt resist....  Smile  Smile
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Sat Jul 03, 2004 1:59 am

ITK - Good rumour!  Smile You get to hear a lot more than we do in The Orifice! I seem to remember hearing something in the past about re-branding the LGW operation but I don't really know what the benefit would be. I can't see any major cost savings in just having a different brand unless it uses dedicated staff on different contracts. (BA didn't have much success with a similar strategy at LGW.)

BestWestern - I think you've misunderstood slightly. I believe that Virgin Sun (or whatever) will take over from Virgin Atlantic on all the leisure routes so they will still use the same slots etc that they do today and won't be pinching any pax from VS.

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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Sat Jul 03, 2004 11:54 am

"British Airways didn't fly the Concorde to Miami for eight years to fly it out empty"

"Miami, it is far too expensive (one reason there are only two charter flights a week between Miami and Europe). They go to Orlando. Miami is in the category of high-yielding tourist destinations, like Papette, Cape Town, and Nice. Airlines love them: full planes and high yields"

I also agree with that. Miami is a very important business centre, its image as a beach and party place make some people who haven't lived in Miami think it isn't.

"there are only two charter flights a week between Miami and Europe"

if you count LTU, that would be 3 leisure flights. Eurofly,MyTravel,LTU. Not sure if it's considered a charter flight but the Martinair routes to Costa Rica that go through Miami, and the one night a week Edelweiss flight that stops in Miami on the way back to Europe would make it 5 flights (although I'm not sure the latter is operating this year)

a 773 in Virgin Sun tacky yellow would be great to see! and hey the DJ part wouldn't be a bad idea either! not sure if vinyl and tubulence would mix, but hey sounds good to me  Smile


 
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Sat Jul 03, 2004 4:22 pm

if you count LTU, that would be 3 leisure flights. Eurofly,MyTravel,LTU. Not sure if it's considered a charter flight but the Martinair routes to Costa Rica that go through Miami, and the one night a week Edelweiss flight that stops in Miami on the way back to Europe would make it 5 flights (although I'm not sure the latter is operating this year)


Neither LTU nor Martinair Holland's flights to Miami are charters. They are scheduled. LTU now recently tripled their flights to Miami with three flights a week now, year-round: two to Dusseldorf (TuFr) and one to Munich (We). They have also launched a new television marketing campaign in Miami, Ft. Myers, and Los Angeles to get the word around known that they are a scheduled airline (they do, of course, operate charters), and have been for a long time. Martinair is increasing MIA service from 9 to 14 flights a week in November.

Edelweiss no longer flies to Miami. In fact, I don't believe they have their A330 (it was their only long-haul plane) any more.
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Sat Jul 03, 2004 5:46 pm

I would be amazed if this rumour turns to reality.
Vertical integration (travel agent - tour operator - airline - hotel) is so important these days in tour operations, and the last time VS tried this they never quite managed to reach "critical mass" (their words.)

Yes, this would be different, operating to long-haul destinations, but most people use VS holidays to travel VS, and to take that away is going to require some very clever marketing. Having said that, VS are good at that , so who knows? In all, I would still be surprised to see this come off.

By the way, FYI, here are the 2004 CAA ATOL figures for the maximum number of passengers allowed to be carried by the tour operators.....

Data extracted from the ATOLDATA database on 02 July 2004 at 20:01

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Rank License Holder Passengers Licensed

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1 TUI UK Ltd 4822263
2 MyTravel Tour Operations Ltd 2830756
3 Thomas Cook Tour Operations Ltd 2516061
4 First Choice Holidays & Flights Ltd 2392116
5 Direct Holidays plc 679823

6 Gold Medal Travel Group plc 654848
7 Avro plc 620089
8 Trailfinders Ltd 564974
9 Expedia.com Ltd 493889
10 Lotus International Ltd 414999

11 Panorama Holiday Group Ltd 409675
12 Thomas Cook Retail Ltd 406734
13 Cosmosair plc 402449
14 Virgin Holidays Ltd 359428
15 Travelworld Vacations Ltd 353046

16 The Globespan Group plc 327150
17 Kuoni Travel Ltd 290070
18 Libra Holidays Ltd 283000
19 HCCT (Holidays) Ltd 282400
20 Kosmar Villa Holidays plc 252000


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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Sun Jul 04, 2004 1:19 am

Will a 773 do a 180 on the R/W at GND/TAB/ANU/UVF then?
 
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Sun Jul 04, 2004 1:22 am

I wish VS would hurry up and decide.

When is he order expected?
 
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Sun Jul 04, 2004 1:42 am


I know this is nothing but a rumour but this sound completely unreal. If this is true that means Virgin Sun will no longer be a low cost airline anymore. Upgrading from the A320 family to the 777 series is also a shock. This would have be a better rumour if they already had a aircraft larger than a A321 market sized aircraft and smaller than the 777/330.
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Sun Jul 04, 2004 2:12 am

VSXA380X800

Virgin Sun isn't a LCC. They used to be a charter airline and were sold off to First Choice in 2001. The name is simply one that has been suggested for the re-branding of the Virgin Atlantic LGW operation which is primarily to leisure destinations. However, this raises a good point ie aren't First Choice the owners of the 'Virgin Sun' name now? Therefore this would probably preclude its use.

Crewrest

Good point...I've no idea but hopefully someone has looked into it! Big grin I know the 346 can't go to the places you mention for the same reason.

Roberta

There was a rumour that a 777 announcement would be made a couple of weeks ago but nothing happened. Maybe they're saving it for Farnborough?

Cheers
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Sun Jul 04, 2004 2:17 am

Im still 80% certain they arent even going to get 777's.

Only an excellent financial deal would convince them.
 
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Sun Jul 04, 2004 2:23 am

Which they very well could get...

...would be intresting to see how RR reacts, as they have business potential in either choice, if they play their cards right.
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Sun Jul 04, 2004 2:24 am

"The name is simply one that has been suggested for the re-branding of the Virgin Atlantic LGW operation which is primarily to leisure destinations"

So this airlines isn't a LCC and its not a member of Virgin Atlantic, is that correct? I always thought that Virgin Sun and other Virgin brand products and airlines where controlled by Branson?
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Sun Jul 04, 2004 3:30 am

VSXA380X800

Yes and no! Virgin Sun was a tour operator set up in 1998 (I think) along the lines of Airtours/Thomson/etc, ie it provided inclusive tour holidays to the usual European hotspots and operated 4 A320/1s from LGW/MAN. The company operated under the Virgin umbrella but was sold off to First Choice in 2001. Virgin Express and Virgin Blue (and Virgin America) are LCCs but are operated independently from Virgin Atlantic. 'Virgin Sun' is just one of the names being suggested by InTheKnow for the possible rebranding of the VS LGW operation. Hope that answers your question.

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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Sun Jul 04, 2004 3:48 am

...would be intresting to see how RR reacts, as they have business potential in either choice, if they play their cards right.

If Virgin did buy the 773, I'd put my money on them being GE powered.

VS only has the A346 with a RR powerplant at the moment (excluding the Air Atlanta 742s), the rest are GE/CFM. Virgin apparently have a warm relationship with GE.
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:02 am

If Virgin did buy the 773, I'd put my money on them being GE powered

I more than anyone would love to see a 773A actually sporting GE engines...

...but sticking with a RR powered A-market 773, and utilising those A346 thingies for longhaul, is very much an option for VS; should they choose the 777 road.
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:06 am

80% based on what, Roberta?

All the evidence VS is going to get 777-300s.
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crewrest
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:14 am

I reckon Farnborough too. They are putting together a cabin-crew promotions team.

Both 777 & 346 rumours are doing the rounds at the moment.
 
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:54 am

What a stunner that would be in Virgin Sun colours .... awesome.
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RE: RUMOUR: Virgin SUN Comeback With 773ER

Sun Jul 04, 2004 5:01 am

I more than anyone would love to see a 773A actually sporting GE engines...

There are a number of reasons why I'd bet on GE.

Existing relationship is one, another is the KLM maintenance arrangement. KLM use the GE90 on their 777s, so it wouldn't involve additional costs which a Trent powered 777 might incur for service contracts.

So their existing service partner can already accomodate the aircraft and its powerplant.
Lead me not into temptation, I can find my own way there...