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757 With Winglets

Sat Jul 03, 2004 9:18 am

The 757 is a great looking aircraft, Continentals 757's will soon have winglets, how nice will that look.
 
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RE: 757 With Winglets

Sat Jul 03, 2004 9:29 am

Where is the picture of 757?
 
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RE: 757 With Winglets

Sat Jul 03, 2004 10:11 am

You may have to wait a while to see a picture of them.
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RE: 757 With Winglets

Sat Jul 03, 2004 10:17 am

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RE: 757 With Winglets

Sat Jul 03, 2004 11:40 am

CO's first winglet-ed 757 should appear sometime in Summer '05. The first two 738's w/Winglets (looks like ships 285 and 289) are scheduled for delivery near the end of July.
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RE: 757 With Winglets

Sat Jul 03, 2004 12:54 pm

That 757 looks sharp.

What routes will they be on?

Too bad I don't live by CO / KMCO), USA - Florida">MCO anymore, I am missing out on a lot of new aircraft due to arrive in the next year or so that would probably fly into CO / KMCO), USA - Florida">MCO


CO 737s and 757s with winglets
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RE: 757 With Winglets

Sat Jul 03, 2004 2:46 pm

Routes are yet to be determined. However the winglets do their best work cruise altitude so expect to see them on the transcon and transatlantic flights.
Interestingly enough, ALL of CO's new aircraft fly into CO / KMCO), USA - Florida">MCO on delivery from Boeing. The Mx base there installs the IFE and Phone systems before the plane enters service.
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RE: 757 With Winglets

Sat Jul 03, 2004 8:22 pm


I thought the 757's were supposed to have blended winglets. Anyways, looks exactly like a Tu-204 to me...hehe
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RE: 757 With Winglets

Sat Jul 03, 2004 8:59 pm

Why wait this long with CO 757WL?? I dont get it, and now the production of 757 are about to close down....... Nuts

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RE: 757 With Winglets

Sat Jul 03, 2004 9:31 pm

And I thought the 757 couldnt get much more fuel efficient. They going to stick those things on the 777's next? How bout a NW DC-10 with winglets. That would be a sight.
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RE: 757 With Winglets

Sat Jul 03, 2004 10:05 pm

"How bout a NW DC-10 with winglets."

That's a great idea! But, to save on mechanics, why not just buy an MD-11? Nuts
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RE: 757 With Winglets

Sat Jul 03, 2004 10:49 pm

I really hope that they paint them with the tail logo not just gray. That would be classy.

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RE: 757 With Winglets

Sat Jul 03, 2004 11:43 pm

I never really under stood the winglets other than that they look cool and make their flying a bit more effishant. How much further than a 737-700 w/ winglets fly compaired to a 737-700 w/o winglets? Same with the 757 (727 too)


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RE: 757 With Winglets

Sun Jul 04, 2004 12:01 am

UA777-Even though winglets will provide a small boost in range, their primary purpose is that of efficiency. CO strings the 757 out to the best of it's capabilites with it's EWR and CMH to Europe flights (though, I don't think that CMH is a regular service unless someone can correct me). Within the contiguous United States, range for the 757 is not an issue, and dually for Europe the 757 can handle those routes with still some buffer to maximum performance operations. Where the real benefit of the winglets is going to come in is fuel savings. By making the wingtip just that much more efficient, the fuel savings are going to be astronomical (does anyone have the projected figures for this by the way?? I know they're circulating somewhere).
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RE: 757 With Winglets

Sun Jul 04, 2004 1:01 am

Does CO plan to retrofit its current -700s and -800s with winglets as well?
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RE: 757 With Winglets

Sun Jul 04, 2004 2:10 am

DeltaMD11 said: CO strings the 757 out to the best of it's capabilites with it's EWR and CMH to Europe flights (though, I don't think that CMH is a regular service unless someone can correct me).

You mean CLE, right? And, yes, since 911, CLE-LGW has been seasonal, although CLE-LAS 757 flights run all year.
 
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RE: 757 With Winglets

Sun Jul 04, 2004 2:13 am

Yes, I meant CLE. Thanks for catching that Massey. Don't know where I got CMH from  Smokin cool.
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RE: 757 With Winglets

Sun Jul 04, 2004 2:23 am

It's only 100 miles down the road. Word I hear is that first flight for the 757W, if we can call it that, will be in late Oct/early Nov, with commercial service planned for April if all tests go well.
 
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RE: 757 With Winglets

Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:16 am

They going to stick those things on the 777's next

...negative
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RE: 757 With Winglets

Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:40 am

I do not care if they have 757 winglets on them. I flew on [actually should say endured] the CLE to LGW route in coach one time. Winglets may give them better performance on long flights but the inside still is horrible. The B777 is so much better on long range flights. I understand the logic because of 757 trans Atlantic because of smaller loads but I would rather connect in EWR . But having said all this it really makes these planes so much more attractive with the winglets.  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: 757 With Winglets

Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:43 am

They going to stick those things on the 777's next

...negative


767, if they can find an airline partner to push it forward.

CO could even get involved as their 762/763 fleet is pretty young.
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RE: 757 With Winglets

Sun Jul 04, 2004 5:36 am

Sorry, but I liked the old look of the 757, no winglets. A 757 with winglets, as posted by DeltaMD11, just looks too much like a B738, and that is fine, but doesn't look good, at least to me, on a 757.
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RE: 757 With Winglets

Sun Jul 04, 2004 8:40 am

If I am not mistaken.... the Tupelov TU-204, a Russian airliner that looks just like the B757 had winglets right from the start of manufacturing
 
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RE: 757 With Winglets

Sun Jul 04, 2004 10:04 am

Anyone know where the winglets will be installed on the 757, and where the testing program will be based out of?

I am hoping for BFI.
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RE: 757 With Winglets

Sun Jul 04, 2004 10:23 am

767, if they can find an airline partner to push it forward.

rather doubt that... as they've already gone with rakes on the 764ER
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RE: 757 With Winglets

Sun Jul 04, 2004 10:33 am

Even though winglets will provide a small boost in range, their primary purpose is that of efficiency.

Erm, increasing range and increasing efficiency is really the same thing. What winglets are doing is simply reducing drag, which increases many different performance parameters - "efficiency" - all across the board. For one, fuel consumption is decreased (again, greater "efficiency"), thus increasing range; as I said, it's all one and the same.

But please, don't get me started on winglets...  Big grin

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RE: 757 With Winglets

Sun Jul 04, 2004 10:41 am

Qantas, increasing range and increasing efficiency are two very different things. While it's undeniable that winglets will provide somewhat of a small range advantage for the 757, it's limits have already been reached concerning that facet. It's not like CO is installing the winglets so that they can go from EWR deeper into Europe (thus a range boost). As you said above, range is more of a parameter of efficiency, which is an ancillary benefit in all truthfulness. The primary purpose of winglets is more focused towards a reduced fuel burn (consumption) through reduction of drag which will provide a cost savings over time. I think that we're kind of both touching on the same idea, just different ways of expressing it.
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RE: 757 With Winglets

Sun Jul 04, 2004 10:51 am

I do see what you mean. In operational terms, the reduced fuel burn (increased "efficiency") is thought of less as a range boost than a cost savings, but the former is certainly there. As you said, it's really the same concept, just from different angles...

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