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NW2501 Crash In Lake Michigan, 1950

Sun Jul 04, 2004 11:48 pm

I had never heard of this one, but in Monday's Kalamazoo Gazette there will be a special article about the crash of Northwest Airlines Flight 2501. From looking it up, I have found that it was a DC-4 flying from New York City to Minneapolis. The plane was lost on June 27, 1950 off the coast of South Haven, Michigan (just under 40 miles West of Kalamazoo) with 58 people on board.

I will try to post a link to the story tomorrow, but I work until 10pm and the newspaper is not published until the afternoon so I will not be able to do it in the morning. If someone else wants to grab it here first, by all means go ahead.
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RE: NW2501 Crash In Lake Michigan, 1950

Mon Jul 05, 2004 12:08 am

I knew that United lost a 727 into Lake Michigan back in the 1960s or 1970s, but never heard about the NW flight. Looking forward to the story when it's available..
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RE: NW2501 Crash In Lake Michigan, 1950

Mon Jul 05, 2004 12:11 am

http://aviation-safety.net/database/1950/500623-0.htm

Sounds like the thunderstorm bit them........
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RE: NW2501 Crash In Lake Michigan, 1950

Mon Jul 05, 2004 3:31 am

I knew that United lost a 727 into Lake Michigan back in the 1960s or 1970s, but never heard about the NW flight. Looking forward to the story when it's available..

I remember reading about this when I was very young. Did they ever find out what caused that crash? Did they descend too quickly? Did the altimeter give them incorrect information?

Weren't there a few other 727 crashes in the mid to late 60's that were blamed for excessive sink rate?

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RE: NW2501 Crash In Lake Michigan, 1950

Mon Jul 05, 2004 3:38 am

Here is a link to the UAL 727 crash....

http://aviation-safety.net/database/1965/650816-0.htm
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RE: NW2501 Crash In Lake Michigan, 1950

Mon Jul 05, 2004 9:40 am

EMBQA- Thanks for the link but it really doesnt tell us why it crashed.....sucks for all those people (30 sob). Its like the thing just fell out of the air.
 
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RE: NW2501 Crash In Lake Michigan, 1950

Mon Jul 05, 2004 9:58 pm

The Grand Rapids Press had an extensive article about this accident in the Sunday, June 20, 2004 paper. I checked the archives, and since it's beyond two weeks, a fee is required to purchase the entire story. Since I've read it, I don't need to spend the $2.00.
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Into thin air ; Decades later, lake still holds clues about Flight 2501:[All Editions]
Pat Shellenbarger / The Grand Rapids Press. The Grand Rapids Press. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Jun 20, 2004. pg. J.1

Companies: Michigan Shipwreck Research Associates, Northwest Airlines Inc(Ticker:NWA, NAICS: 481111, Duns:00-696-3508 )
Section: Flair
Text Word Count 1466

Abstract (Article Summary)
This one obviously was larger, and it was coming close to her South Haven home. [Jacqueline Eldred] listened as the sound of its engines increased, then stopped, and she pulled the sheet over her head, fearing the plane would hit the house. Then the engines restarted, and, as the sound faded into the distance over Lake Michigan, she heard a loud boom, then silence.

[Craig ...

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Here's a link to the search engine if anyone's interested- type "Into Thin Air" which was the name of the article:

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/grpress/index.html?ts=1045839029

Quite an interesting article- some group hopes to locate the wreckage with high tech equipment. I'm sure major components (engines) would still be somewhat intact. The article had interviews of people that heard the low flying DC-4 overhead, heard a loud thud, then silence.
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RE: NW2501 Crash In Lake Michigan, 1950

Mon Jul 05, 2004 10:58 pm

>>>Weren't there a few other 727 crashes in the mid to late 60's that were blamed for excessive sink rate?

There were at least a couple that I recall. I grew up in Cincinnati and someone (AA, I think) lost one on approach into CVG in the 1960s. United also had one hit the runway and slide/burn at SLC.

The United 727 into Lake Michigan could have theoretically involved the same sink rate factors (of the then-new aircraft type) with maybe some of the factors from the 1970s National Airlines 727 crash offshore from PNS (both night approach/descents over water). United also lost a 727 offshore of LAX (loss of electrical power/horizon info, IIRC), so that's a possibility too I reckon.

Someone once told me that this United LAX accident was the instigator of having independently-power standby attitude indicators as a requirement, and while I don't know that for sure, it makes sense.
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RE: NW2501 Crash In Lake Michigan, 1950

Mon Jul 05, 2004 10:59 pm

Thanks for the link but it really doesnt tell us why it crashed.......

Did you click on the pdf link...? It takes you to the 45 page NTSB Report. But in general, they really don't know why.
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